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It was suggested to me several times to take this post from "Top 100 Stupid Moments In Scientology" and give it its own thread. Here goes...

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Well, brothers and sisters, this one is long. It is unreadable. It is horribly insane.

But THIS, my friends, is:

* The Golden Age Of Scientology

* Mankind's Greatest Friend

* The advanced technology of Scientology at work.​

THIS is the total and complete insanity of L. Ron Hubbard, laid out in black and white.

THIS is a Com Ev done in 1978, directly by the Commodore.

You see, some of his film crew were shooting a scene. When he saw the footage he didn't like it. Instead of telling them to re-shoot it (which is what professional filmmakers do) he became enraged that they were "joking and degrading".

He showed no mercy and ordered them all to be fired from their jobs and incarcerated in the RPF immediately.

But, in his great mercy, he allowed them to ask for a Com Ev if they thought that his RFP sentence was unfair.

So, they all asked for a Com Ev.

And the "judges" on the Com Ev recommended RPF. Surprise.

I know this is horrifically unreadable, but I forced myself to read thru it...just to understand the moronic, robotic thought process of Scientologists and Ron Hubbard.

Film actors and directors are not asked to "do another take". They are accused of CRIMES and found GUILTY of evil deeds.

THIS is the Ron Hubbard that Scientologists think is the savior of the planet.

THIS is the Ron Hubbard that Indie Scientologists are so indignantly trying to protect.

THIS is the Ron Hubbard that Marty Rathbun claims has had his "good name besmirched".

THIS is a fully insane, tyrannical, megalomaniacal, narcissistic sociopath at the helm of a cult.

THIS should be required reading for anyone who still thinks that Ron Hubbard was not a mental case, badly in need of psychiatric care or prison.

If you can't bear to read it, please scan thru it a bit. It's awful, I know, to read how Scientologists think and behave. But it is a grim and useful reminder of what the world would be like if Scientology was in charge.

Remember, as you read this, all that happened was that Hubbard got angry when he saw some footage he didn't like. And he wanted to make sure many people suffered greatly for that. . .

PS: The "molipso" referred to in the 3rd para is a misspelling of Moleipso, a feature film lighting fixture)





CONDITIONS ORDER 288-1 4 OCT 1978

FINDINGS AND RECOMMENDATIONS OF
COMMITTEE OF EVIDENCE
CALLED ON CONDITIONS ORDER #288
_BACKGROUND_

On the 25th of Sept, Cine set about making their daily JVC of a short sequence for R as part of their training program.

The JVC that was done and sent up caused gross upset on R's lines as it communicated a slap stick comedy degrade of the very successful Cine drilling that was in progress.

The shot itself was a mockery of a Gaffer drill and depicted Gary Press removing and replacing the Molipso from a stand. Gary played it with hammed up comedy and made it into a slap stick which is known to be not wanted in Cine acting.

The shot was commentated by Jerry Armstrong who assumed the beingness of a Barnham and Bailey circus ring master, making the shot into a quality degrade.

During the filming of the shot at the studio, David Rossouw remarked to the Director, Camera Chief and Producer that the shot was corny, however these remarks were ignored and the filming of the degrade was continued and sent up to command.

The following day an investigation done by a Commodores Messenger revealed that the Producer and the Director saw nothing wrong with the shot and didn't correct the degrade despite the disagreements with its quality and presentation from an experienced Cine crew member on the set. Gary Press, recently removed from the post of Chief Gaffer, was the actor and responsible for the slap stick. Gerry Armstrong as the commentator added to the degrade of the tech of the drills. The Cinematographer, Terri Armstrong was aware that it was thought that the shot was corny and not OK yet she (the one responsible for getting high quality shots in the can with the camera) thought the shot was "cute" and went ahead with the degrade. Carol Spurlock, the Cine Crew Supervisor thought that the shot was good and announced this to all the Cine crew at the Cine study muster.

The interested parties:
Stuart Moreau------ Producer
Mike Titmus-------- Director
Gerry Armstrong---- Announcer of shot
Terri Armstrong---- Cinematographer
Gary Press--------- Actor in the shot
Carol Spurlock----- Supervisor

were the following day routed to the RPF for the quality degrade, making the shot into a slapstick, allowing it to occur, condoning the degrade and causing Cine to go into disrepute.

The interested parties were allowed a Committee of Evidence by R if they felt that the RPF assignment was incorrect. Every one of the interested parties requested a Comm Ev.

On the 28th of Sept the Committee of Evidence met to review the evidence and look into the assignment of the interested party's assignment to the RPF.

The committee reviewed the JVC tape that was sent up to command and collected knowledge reports on the incident from the following witnesses:

Talent Chief - Bob Waldeman
Chief Electrician - Marc Ferreira
CMO Messenger - Marc Yager
DCO CMO External - DeDe Reisdorf
Cinematographer - David Miscavige
DCO CMO - Gayle Reisdorf
A/Cam for Lighting - David Rossouw
Chief Gaffer - Robbie Robinson

The following witnesses were called to the Committee to give evidence on the charges:

Chief Gaffer - Robbie Robinson
A/Cam for Lights
Now Director - David Rossouw
Cinematographer - David Miscavige
Talent Chief - Bob Waldeman

Commodores Messenger, Shelley Barnette was making a detailed report on the incident as she was a key witness, being on duty for the investigation and the subsequent RPF assignments but in the interests of time she attended the Committe meeting and gave all her evidence verbally, to the Committee, in the presence of all interested parties.

The interested parties were shown all the evidence and knowledge reports presented. They were then individually interviewed on each of the charges and cross questioned on the circumstances of the incident.

The interested party's ethics files were looked at by the Committee, those stats that were available were looked at and in the efforts of justice, the work each interested party had done in the past was looked at as deciding factors when drawing up the recommendations.

In interviewing each of the interested parties they wanted it made known that at the time of the shooting of the shot they said that their intentions were not to communicate a degrade slapstick or to mock the drills but did realize after RPF assignment that this did appear to communicate to command.

Here are the results of the Committee of Evidence:

_INTERESTED PARTY - GARY PRESS_

_High Crime Charge 1_

Interested party pleaded not guilty. The Committee found no evidence of Gary inciting a mutiny. The Committee finds him not guilty.

_Crimes Charge 1_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds him guilty. The tape sent up R in which he was the actor was definitely a quality degrade.

_Charge 2_

Pleaded not guilty. However the Committee finds him guilty of joking and degrading in that as above he admitted guilt of quality degrade and as the shot itself was portrayed as a slap stick comedy making a joke of the shot and the drills, despite the interested parties statement that this was not his intention, this is what communicated in the shot.

_Charge 3_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee finds Gary guilty of this charge. He was the one who originated the beingness which was introduced into this shot which started out as a simple gaffer drill. He incited the Announcer, Director, Producer, Cinematographer and the majority of the Cine crew present into agreeing with his beingness which in actual fact communicated insubordination to command.

_Charge 4_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds him guilty as by his own admission, this incident did cause a flap in Cine as a result of his actions.

_Charge 5_ Pleaded not guilty. The Committee found no specific incident of Gary being guilty of this crime in relation to the incident of the 25th. The Committee finds not guilty.

_Charge 6_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds him guilty as the incident did cause an overwork to command through Gary's ignoring his duties.

_Charge 7_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds him guilty of this charge. The incident on the 25th did cause a severe disturbance to R and a resulting disrepute to Cine.

_Charge 8_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee found him guilty in that the incident which produced a quality degrade and communicated a mockery of the drills was condoned by the interested party and did result in a collapse of Cine and the loss of 5 of its staff.

_Charge 9_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee however finds the interested party guilty of this charge as the Video tape did communicate a mockery of the drills and also made a mockery of ED 276 Cine, quality degrade which are both Scientology materials. Evidence of this is on the Video tape itself and the resultant upsets caused to command.

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_INTERESTED PARTY - CAROL SPURLOCK_

_High Crime #1_

Interested party pleaded not guilty. The Committee found no evidence that showed that Carol in any way incited a mutiny by her actions.

_Crimes #1_

Pleaded not guilty but admitted that to the degree that she was in the studio at the time of the incident, did see it happen and didn't take any action to correct the matter that she was guilty the Committee confirms this and finds her guilty of this charge.

_CHARGE 2_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee found no evidence that she was guilty of joking and degrading. The Committee finds her not guilty.

_Charge 3_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee found no evidence of her being guilty of this charge and so finds her not guilty.

_Charge 4_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee finds her guilty as she could have prevented the collapse. See details under charge #6.

_Charge 5_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee found her not guilty as no evidence found which would incriminate her on this charge,

_Charge 6_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds her guilty. Carol should have spotted that the JVC was an overt product as she herself has been a lead actor in the films and worked under R directorship so is quite familiar with the standards of film production demanded. As the crew supervisor she could and should have been looking at the quality of Cine production as this reflects the application of the materials learned by Cine crew. The resultant JVC tape that did go up did cause an overwork on command lines.

_Charge 7_

Pleaded guilty and found guilty by the Committee as per #6 above.

_Charge 8_

Pleaded guilty and found to be guilty by the Committee as per evidence in Charge #6 above.

_Charge 9_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee finds her not guilty as found no evidence of her being uilty of this charge.

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_INTERESTED PARTY - STUART MOREAU_

_NOTE_: The interested party when first interviewed, pleaded guilty to all the charges as he as the senior terminal in Cine ( Producer ) felt that he would be guilty of all charges laid out in the Bill of Particulars. However, when interviewed separately and asked for specifics of why he was guilty, could not provide them on 2 charges and changed the plea to not guilty.

_High Crime 1_

First pleaded guilty then after being asked for specifics, changed the plea to not guilty. The Committee found him not guilty as after examination of the evidence did not feel that Stuart incited a mutiny by his actions.

_Crime Charge 1_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds him guilty. The video did communicate a gross quality degrade and as Producer, he was responsible for the end product of the Cine org.

_Charge 2_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds him guilty as the Video did communicate a joke and a degrade and while the interested party states that he did not intend it to turn out that way, that is what the Video did communicate and Stuart accepts the responsibility for the end product.

_Charge 3_

The interested party pleaded guilty to this charge. The Committee does find him guilty of this charge in that as the senior of Cine he is responsible for the whole org and that the Video of the 25th did communicate an insubordination and this could all have been prevented had he worn his hat and prevented an overt product from being filmed and sent up to command.

_Charge 4_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds him guilty. The Cine org did suffer a collapse as a result of the Video sent up and as the CO, Stuart is responsible for the effects it caused.

_Charge 5_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds him guilty. As the Producer and CO of Cine he was responsible for the incident of the 25th which did show a lack of discipline in the Cine Exec structure and in those involved with the overt product and in failing to prevent it.

_Charge 6_

Pleaded guilty and the Committee finds him guilty. The incident did cause an overload on command lines and as the CO he could have and should have prevented this from occuring.

_Charge 7_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds him guilty. The Video tape sent up on the 25th did cause a severe disturbance to command and did cause disrepute to Cine. As the CO, Stuart is fully responsible for this and does recognize it.

_Charge 8_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds him guilty. There was a collapse in Cine as a result of the JVC tape sent up to R and the fact that the shot was considered by an experienced Cine terminal to be corny was made known to Stuart at the time of the shooting but were ignored by him.

_Charge 9_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds him guilty as he did allow a mockery of the drills and a quality degrade to be communicated to R on the Video tape.

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_INTERESTED PARTY -TERRI ARMSTRONG_

_High Crime #1_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee found no evidence of Terry inciting a mutiny. The Committee finds her not guilty of this charge.

_Crimes 1_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee found her guilty. As the Cinematographer, she is responsible for the high quality shots in the can and by allowing a shot to go up which did communicate a quality degrade, she is guilty.

_Charge 2_

Pleaded not guilty. However, as the Cinematographer, and the one responsible for the shot which appears in front of the camera, she also is held responsible in allowing a JVC to go up to R which communicated joking and degrading of the Cine drills and so the Committee finds her guilty of this charge. Interested party disagreed with this finding.

_Charge 3_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee found her not guilty of this charge as found no evidence of her inciting to insubordination.

_Charge 4_

Pleaded not guilty and then later changed her plea to guilty. The Committee finds her guilty as she as the then Cinematographer was totally responsible for the quality of the shot going into the camera. She allowed the product of the CameraDept and the JVC section to collapse by sending up an overt product yet she as the Cinematographer could have prevented the catastrophe by demanding that a high quality shot be set up in front of the camera and refusing to shoot an overt product.

_Charge 5_

Pleaded not guilty. Then changed her plea to guilty later. The Committee finds her guilty as she refused to uphold discipline in allowing a degrade of a drill to occur in front of her camera.

_Charge 6_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee found her guilty of this charge due to the fact that she allowed the quality degrade shot on the JVC to be taken, condoned it and allowed it to be sent up to R which resulted in upset to command, overworking command and forcing command to intervene to handle the situation.

_Charge 7_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee found her guilty. There was a severe disturbance caused by the 25th JVC and there was disrepute caused to Cine as a result. Also see charges 4 & 6 above.

_Charge 8_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee found her guilty as per evidence in 4 & 6 above and in the fact that Terri was told that the shot looked corny by A/Camera for Lights and herself condoned it saying she though it was a cute shot.

_Charge 9_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds her guilty in that as the Cj Cinematographer, she allowed a mockery of the drills and a quality degrade per ED 276 Cine to take place in front of her camera and go up to command whereas she could have prevented it. NOTE: The Interested party wanted it made known that she felt that at the time of the shooting of this shot she did not intend that the shot would communicate a degrade or a mockery. She has since observed that that is what is communicated and has taken responsibility for this. She wanted it also made known that she had benefitted from the Cine drills, was totally with them and did not intend to undermine them.

_INTERESTED PARTY - GERRY ARMSTRONG_

_High Crime #1_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee found no evidence of Gerry inciting to a mutiny. The Committee found him not guilty of this charge.

_Crimes Charge 1_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee found him guilty. Gerry was the announcer in the shot and originated playing his part as a Barnham and Bailey circus ring master announcer which intoduced and communicated a quality degrade of the shot.

_Charge 2_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee however found him guilty of the charge due to his originating and introducing the Barnum and Bailey Beingness into the shot which brought about a joking and degrading communication of the Cine drills. Even though the the interested party stated that it was not his intention to communicate a joke/degrade of the shot and that he himself had made good gains from the drills themselves, the shot _did_ communicate a Joke and Degrade and this is what caused the extreme upset to command.

_Charge 3_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee found him not guilty of this charge as found no evidence incriminating him on inciting to insubordination. There was an element of insubordination in his actions in the shot and this has been taken into account in the drafting of the recommendations.

_Charge 4_

Pleaded guilty. The committee finds him guilty. By his contributing actions, there was a collapse in Cine as a result of the JVC sent up on the evening of the 25th Sept.

_Charge 5_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee found him not guilty of refusal to uphold discipline. There was a lack of discipline in the actions of the interested party in the part he played in the shooting of this overt product JVC however and the Committee has taken this into account in the drafting of its recommendations.

_Charge 6_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee found him guilty. The JVC shot in which he played the Announcer did cause overwork to command. Also see data in charges 1 and 2 above.

_Charge 7_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee found him guilty as there was indeed a severe and disreputable disturbance created by the quality degrade JVC shot in which the interested party participated and contributed to. There was as a result disrepute caused to Cine.

_Charge 8_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee found him guilty. The circumstances did cause a collapse in Cine and were condoned. See above charges.

_Charge 9_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee however finds him guilty as he was the announcer in the shot and did participate and contribute to a shot that communicated a mockery of the drills and a mockery of ED 276 Quality Degrades.

_________________________

_INTERESTED PARTY - MIKE TITMUS_

_High Crime #1_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee found no evidence in Mike "Inciting a mutiny"and so finds him not guilty of this charge.

_Crimes Charge 1_

Pleaded not guilty. However, the Committee finds him guilty as he as the Director is directly responsible for the actions on the set and by definition is over all the terminals on the set. The shot did communicate a gross quality degrade. Interested party did not feel this was correct.

_Charge 2_

Pleaded not guilty. However, as the actor in this shot was in fact communicating joking and degrading and as he as the Director is directly responsible for the quality of the shot and the direction or the shot, the Committee finds him to be guilty of this charge.

_Charge 3_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee finds him guilty of this charge as he as the Director allowed to go up to R a Video that communicated insubordination and that he did nothing to correct this despite being informed by the A/Camera for Lights (now the Director) that the shot was corny.

_Charge 4_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee however finds him guilty as the Product of the Director is high quality shots in the can. The very low quality of the JVC shot manifested a collapsed Director section.

_Charge 5_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee however finds him guilty of this charge as he as the Director was told by an experienced Cine terminal that the shot was "corney". He agreed that the shot was corny but did not correct it. He also allowed the original 'Simple Shot of Drills Being Done Well', as the original theme of the JVC shot for the day to be degraded into a joke and a degrade.

_Charge 6_

Pleaded guilty. The Committee finds him guilty. There was an overload caused at command level due to the Director ignoring his duties of insisting and getting a high quality shot in the can.

_Charge 7_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee however finds him to be guilty of this charge as there was indeed a disreputable disturbance created by this bad JVC tape sent up to command and the repute of Cine and the Director was marred severly.

_Charge 8_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee however finds him to be guilty of this charge as he as the Director was directly responsible for the quality of the shot in the can. He was urged to improve it but did not do so. The overt product did result in a collapse in Cine.

_Charge 9_

Pleaded not guilty. The Committee however finds him guilty of this charge as he as the Director is responsible for the quality of the shot in the can and this JVC was found to have made a mockery of the drills and ED 276 Cine, Quality Degrades, even though the interested party stated that this was not his intention, this is what was communicated to command in the shot and is majorly what caused the whole upset and the collapse in Cine and the resultant RPF assignments.

The interested parties have been confronted with these findings.

_RECOMMENDATIONS_

_NOTE_: The Committee, in proposing these recommendations, took into account the seriousness of the charges considering that not only did they cause unnecessary and unfair upset and overload on R's lines, they were also committed during a period when Cine was already heavily on R's lines, out of production, in disrepute and in a low condition. Mitigating factors in each individual case were also looked at in proposing handlings.

_GARY PRESS_

The Committee found that Gary was deeply involved and largely responsible for the J&D JVC. There were few mitigating circumstances to consider in his favor and the committee feels that in view of this and the fact that Gary was recently removed from post as the Chief Gaffer, has dramatized case on post and is in need of correction that his RPP assignment be confirmed.

_GERRY ARMSTRONG_

The Committee found that Gerry was also very much involved in the rendition of the JVC shot and the establishment of the tone and beingness which it communicated. Gerry has been in post difficulty over the last month or two. As with Gary Press above, the Committee recommends that Gerry's assignment to the RPF be confirmed.

_TERRI ARMSTRONG_

Besides being the Cinematographer and a Div head in Cine at the time of the JVC incident, Terri is also a Commodore's messenger and should have set an example far above that expected from other Cine staff. The Committee has noted that while Terri was found to be hard working on her post, she has been in difficulties as a Cameraman since she started in Cine and has had numerous ethics and Qual handlings. The Committee feels that besides being a correct ethics handling, it would benefit her and the group for her to get herself cleaned up and enhanced in the RPF. Therefore the Committee recommends that her RPF assignment be confirmed.

_MIKE TITMUS_

The Committee recognizes the severity of the offences for which Mike has been found guilty and agrees that the offences warrant an RPF assignment however after careful consideration, the Committee has taken into account the fact that Mike was on the post of Director for one week and on a training program to get hatted up as a Director. His main contribution to the situation was found to be not grabbing and wearing his hat of Director, during the time of this JVC shot. The Committee therefore recommends that the RPF assignment of Mike be held in abeyance and that he be put on a one month probation during which time he be assigned to Cine sets. The Committee recommends a condition of confusion be assigned for the crimes of which he is guilty.

_CAROL SPURLOCK_

The Committee found that Carol's involvement in the incident was not severe. She does recognize her failed responsibility. The Committee has found that Carol has never completed an EPF cycle nor done her basics of staff statuses or Product 0. The Committee therefore recommends that Carol's RPF assignment be held in abeyance and she be put on a probation for a period of one month and that she be assigned to the WHQ EPF where she is to do MEST work and complete her basics. The Committee recommends a condition of confusion for the crimes she is guilty of.

_STUART MOREAU_

Whereas the Committee found Stuart guilty on the majority of the charges, it found that the interested party himself had recognized his total responsibility in the matter as he was the CO and had taken full responsibility for the crimes committed. The Committee took into account the good work done by Stuart in the construction of the WHQ and the Silver barn and the many construction cycles done by him at WHQ. The Committee feels that the severity of the situation has been duplicated by the interested party and in view of the good work he has done outside of Cine, recommends that he be assigned to WHQ Construction on probation and that the RPF assignment be held in abeyance for a period of one month, pending his excellent production. Post stats and demonstration of assumed responsibility. The Committee recommends a condition of confusion in addition for the crimes committed.

Respectfully submitted:

Chairman: Norman Starkey
Secretary: Pat Murray
Member: Glenn Hackenberg
Member: Lesley Tyrer

The Findings and Recommendations are accepted and the Committee is thanked.

The interested parties who are assigned conditions are to report to HCO for deligation of amends.

Carol Spurlock is to do her EPF MEST work in the Galley.

Lynn Hurst
Convening Authority

LH:NS:pM:GH:LT: ph
 

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Posted by Synthia on the other thread...

Okay, I haven't finished reading this, but I will. I've read enough to know that the mere fact that this many thoughts, words, and actions were brought into the world, because of a poorly shot film, is pure lunacy.

That would be like calling the fire department, the police department and the governor's office because your cat won't eat its food.

Frankly, I think this should have its own thread. I don't know how many people are stopping by the Stupid thread these days, but many more would see this if a new thread were started.

In any event, I love the line that states that their actions "brought Cine into disrepute". Oh, that's rich. Really? Disrepute? With who? Man this guy had delusions of grandeur. Did he think he was running Universal Studios?

Again, it's like a dream. I shake my head.

I think this piece is full of many, many insanities that can be dissected and should be.

Who can continue to stick up for this guy? I, for one, like my freedom, intelligence, sovereignty and peace of mind
 

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Posted by TheRealNoUser on the other thread. . .

Wow. I read it all. Fucking ridiculous. What a collossal waste of time and money, and all because His Royal Highness L. Fucking Ron Hubbard could not handle someone making even the slightest joke that involved Scientology.

Scientology "Ethics" are just a fucking joke. This document just shows that the entire subject are the writings of a madman.
 

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Posted by LifeInBlue on the other thread. . .

HH,

I think this does deserve it's own thread.

Maureen Bolstad covered a very similar story that occurred in Cine after R's death (mid 90's I think) that almost parallels this one. The cine shoot crew created a video that DM deemed to be J&D and voila... the above story repeated itself with DM being the new R. With one exception. While a similar witch hunt occurred there was no comm-ev and no RPF. DM even referred back to the incident you have documented here when tearing cine apart at the time. And this, for me anyway, is evidence of something that more of us need to learn.

If you lurk long enough and read everything from Gerry, RVY and others from the 70's and early 80's you will find a recurring theme of DM being convinced that Hubbard was scientology's worst enemy. DM has been consistant in this view as evidenced by the continual slide towards a more conventional religious/cult movement (pretty buildings, lots of gatherings to hear the "one" talk, books re-written to exclude the "weird bits", emphasis on donating [IAS], etc, etc).

Bottom line is that the world hubbard created was fucking scary. Whatever else we accuse DM of (greed, megalomania, battery, human trafficking, terrorism, etc) DM has always known that hubbard's world was never gonna fly so he embarked on his own.

Like Jeff says to his Indie friends; dig deeper.

This document is valuable to those trying to square their experiences and figure out where to go from here.

It isn't as simple as DM vs. Hubbard. And they are not as bad as each other. In fact the whole debate is a moot point really. The only thing that is important is where you or I go from here.

But I do think this document deserves to be discovered by as many people as possible.
 

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Posted by Guanoloco on the other thread...

...one other thing...

A comm ev over a joke?

Can you believe that?

What do people do when they experience extreme stress?

They often crack jokes.

However, Ron was soooooooooo "busy" that this gets treated as a crime.

Wonder what he was doing?

Oh yeah!

I'm willing to bet it was something real important like Operation Freakout or Operation Snow White or something super mega VITAL and URGENT to salvaging this sector or something like that.

This fucking guy...squid ink all over his recorded track of squid ink...you know...covering his tracks of him covering his tracks...real important work like that.
 

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Posted on the other thread...

"Film actors and directors are not asked to "do another take". They are accused of CRIMES and found GUILTY of evil deeds."

Yet Travolta didn't do one day in jail for BATTLEFIELD EARTH!:ship: Where is the justice?:hmm:
 

Sindy

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I will be back to comment on this one. What a great day to post it!

I hope we can keep this thread alive. I think that it does show the essence of Scientology and is a treasure trove that could allow for great mental disentanglement from the subject and greater insight overall.

It's long, but worth reviewing.
 

La La Lou Lou

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Very very interesting. Couldn't read it all, I've read that kind of crap before. Senior person decides to get rid of someone, committee facilitates it. Ethics orders are almost always meaningless inaccurate and packed full of opinion with no evidence worthy of the name.

Always refuse a commev. Just blow and get declared, saves time money and so much heart-aching worry. You are guilty or there wouldn't be a comm ev. Comm ev members just want to prove how much they are party line pushers.
 

Mystic

Crusader
No, no I won't! I refuse! I just simply will not mention there is a great probability L. Ron Hubbard :grouch: was also, potentially at least, a paedophillic satanist.
 

exsomessenger

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Thanks HH this is great Data to have out there. The cycle just keeps repeating it's self.

In the 80's in CW it was no different, even in the CMO. We would get a CMOI mission and all of the sudden things we did daily were now intentional and we were trying to destroy all of scientology. There were many times I was left skratching my head wondering how all this could get mis duplicated.
 

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I think I have heard of this before. Haven't finished it yet but its seems this was not even supposed to be anything but a practice film. The crew was joking around and made what they thought was a cute and witty film just to demonstrate to "R" that they were ready for the real thing or whatever. It struck him the wrong way and heads rolled. Jesus H. Christ. Ain't nobody can make a joke but the Ronster.

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Rene Descartes

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Well I am sure glad that L Ron wasn't involved in Hollywood because if he was we would surely not have all those blooper sepcial features that are included iwth most DVDs.

Doesn't Dave Miscavige do this now when he doesn't like the quality of some type of filmed or printed production, only without the comm ev.

I guess he skips the Comm Ev because they can be such Dev-T. I mean we know that you walk into a Comm Ev with about 9 or 10 crimes of some sort and the decked stacked against you. One might as well arrive to the Comm Ev dressed for the RPF.

Speaking of the RPF has David Miscavige ever been in the RPF, ever?

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Disinfected

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I also just love the "compound interest" on the crimes.

Let's pretend for a moment that there was a real crime here. Let's say that five members of a Cine crew stole the camera and hocked it for extra cigarette money. They get caught and stand trial.

In the woggy world they would stand trial for theft and that would be that.

In the Bizarro world:

They stand trial for theft.
They stand trial for insubordination because they were told that stealing was not OK.
They stand trial for upsetting the boss with their theft and insubordination.
They stand trial for making us have to try them.
They stand trial for making it look like we have thieves in Cine (disrepute).
They stand trial for collapsing the area because now we are short-handed because we are going to jail them.

These are interpretations of the actual charges they were found "guilty" of. I think I may have missed one or two as we do not have the actual Bill of Particulars.

I support Independent Scientology to the degree that it is just that, people doing what they please with Scientology with any overarching organizational control. As soon as that control is let back in, we are following HCOPL policy again, and back on the same insane carousel.

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Pooks

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i HATE IT WHEN YOU SP'S JOKE AND DEGRADE THE OLD MAN.




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anonomog

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Holy mother of god.

:ohmy:

I read it all.

It hasn't changed my opinion of Hubbard, he truly was a severe waste of good molecules.

But I can't get over the amount of people involved in the J&D, KR's, investigations etc. All of them adults. All of them taking this ridiculously absurd theatre seriously.
Seriously enough to remove other people's freedom and sentence them to the RPF.
 

Rene Descartes

Gold Meritorious Patron
HH,

I hate to nitpick but you called the thread J&D, RPF, OMG!

By doing so you degraded the title by not calling it J&D, RPF, OMG, WTF!

I think you know the ramifications as well as what to expect next.

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