Jan Eastgate arrested! - Today Tonight exclusive

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

I suspect Dainty Davy is quite incapable of this consideration actually...

He may not be capable of this consideration, but he's certainly incapable of channeling his inner Elron by making this all about him and how everyone but him 'pulled this in'

 

[elwood]

My relpy was that Americans are afraid to interfere in the free expression of religion under the first amanedment.

I don't see how that could be given that the Cult disavows any connection other than being a co-founder of CCHR.

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

hehe.. I'd like to witnerss that!

But still.. If Jan is that powerful, and independent.. WTF is she still in the cult for? - I have a hard time imagining people who can think for themselves and has personal power, selfesteem, putting up with Hubbard, Scientology, Miscavige and all the shit..

Those kinds of people tend to get out fast..

On one of the related threads, I gave a potted history of Jan. After a variety of psych treatments including ECT she finally found SCN and started off as an illegal pc. Having attested to Clear on her very first session, lrh is "unquestionably" the greatest savior for mankind. I read somewhere that she is now "New OT IV".

When OSA/CCHR was jammed right up on top of the Castlereagh Street building during a time that Jan was not there, then OSA I/C, Audrey Devlin pointed out a spaceship that was watching us, and noted that it would keep disappearing behind a building. Although I bought into the Xenu story and the paranoia that possessed every Scientologist, Audrey could not convince me that we were looking at a spaceship. To this day, I believe we were seeing the landing lights of incoming aircraft at Uncle Charlie's airport (Charles Kingsford-Smith Airport at Mascot, just outside Sydney, and yes he's an uncle somewhere on my Father's side of the family.).

I have seen UFOs, but that doesn't mean that I've seen spaceships. The only time I felt compelled to report something was seeing bright green flaring balls of light that appeared to be showering down on Bankstown Airport (light aircraft only, but one of the busiest airports in the world). I reported what I had seen to the police, and they rang me back to report that nearby Army exercises were responsible for the flares, and I was satisfied with that explanation.

I very much doubt that Audrey is still with us but she had a shrewd and intelligent legal mind. So what made her buy into the bat-shit craziness? Jan at least has the excuse that lrh saved her from the 'evil psychs'.

Remember that, like any cult, critical thinking for oneself is not permitted.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

<snip> After a variety of psych treatments including ECT she (Jan Eastgate) finally found SCN and started off as an illegal pc. Having attested to Clear on her very first session, lrh is "unquestionably" the greatest savior for mankind.
<snip>
Jan at least has the excuse that lrh saved her from the 'evil psychs'. <snip>

Well, that may 'work' for Jan, but it is hogwash just the same.

Typical, programmed by L.Ron Hubbard hogwash as a part of Scientologys hate propaganda against Psychiatry and any and all human endavour to figure out what to do with mental illness.

I know people who've had ECT and tell me it helped them..

And besides.. I consider Scientology processing even more dangerous to the human mind than scientologists think psychiatry is!

Hmm.. Some scientologists I know are crazier than the ECT 'victims' I know..

So if Jan Eastgate is using ECT and psychiatry as a 'motivator'.. Hmm.. According to Scn tech she 'pulled it in'.. She has 'overts' on psychiatry.. And sh'es obviously 'unflat' on psychiatry.

 

[Panda Termint]

Let's discuss the crime rather than the person.

IMO, it's a bit of a slippery slope when we start discussing someone's medical history on a public forum, particularly if we choose to minimise what was done to that person in a manner that has, to me, faint echoes of the original crime.

 

[Free to shine]

Let's discuss the crime rather than the person.

IMO, it's a bit of a slippery slope when we start discussing someone's medical history on a public forum, particularly if we choose to minimise what was done to that person in a manner that has, to me, faint echoes of the original crime.

Although I agree in principle Panda, in this case it is the medical history that is pretty directly involved. Unfortunately Jan is an extreme example of scientology's paranoia of psychiatry, fueled of course by her own experience. However it also led to covering up abuse, and as the 'face' of that abuse in this case, it is relevant.

I do think the discussion should concentrate on the crime she was arrested for tho.

 

[clamicide]

Let's discuss the crime rather than the person.

IMO, it's a bit of a slippery slope when we start discussing someone's medical history on a public forum, particularly if we choose to minimise what was done to that person in a manner that has, to me, faint echoes of the original crime.

Unfortunately, I think it is the cult who will bring up her as a person, and her medical history and use that as PR within their ranks to keep their image clean with their members. And that just sucks. It really fucking sucks, because I personally have no doubt that she was fucked over by some psychs....and so the fucking cult used that. Most folks used that because they believed that...but NOW she will be hung out to dry for the thing she spent her life trying to fight.

There IS psychiatric abuse, and I happen to believe she experienced it. And so, she went against them, being inculcated with the idea that all psychs are bad. And so she tried to keep two thetans from experiencing what she had gone though...at WHATEVER cost. Scientology could save them...it saved her.....

and now, I think the only way the cult can PR this from within is to pull out her history and use it against her. They used it FOR themselves for so many years to extract donos from out-quals, that I'm guessing they can use it to C/S more PDH check and Class VIII training and 12 trillion basic book packages and 6 quadrillion building donos before you are let onto the OT Levels if you have psyh history....I've seen them do similar, but now they can scare the fuck out of these guys that they could be as bad as Jan....

Not saying this is the only tactic, or the one they would choose, but....a definite possibility

 

[Panda Termint]

Yes, I'm sure that the cult will do whatever it has to do to protect the CofS (just as Jan did in allegedly "perverting the course of justice"). I just think it is wiser to leave that to the cult.

This is not about Jan Eastgate as a person, this is about the CofS' institutionalised attitude of being above the laws of the land. I probably know as much about Jan as anyone here and choose not to take the personal path.

I usually do this whenever we start getting into the personalities as opposed to the culture and crimes. Today's scientologist is tomorrow's Ex. Just my thoughts on the matter.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

<snip>.. Today's scientologist is tomorrow's Ex. Just my thoughts on the matter.

Yes, that is a good point to remember!

 

[Royal Prince Xenu]

On one of the related threads, I gave a potted history of Jan. After a variety of psych treatments including ECT she finally found SCN and started off as an illegal pc. Having attested to Clear on her very first session, lrh is "unquestionably" the greatest savior for mankind. I read somewhere that she is now "New OT IV".

When OSA/CCHR was jammed right up on top of the Castlereagh Street building during a time that Jan was not there, then OSA I/C, Audrey Devlin pointed out a spaceship that was watching us, and noted that it would keep disappearing behind a building. Although I bought into the Xenu story and the paranoia that possessed every Scientologist, Audrey could not convince me that we were looking at a spaceship. To this day, I believe we were seeing the landing lights of incoming aircraft at Uncle Charlie's airport (Charles Kingsford-Smith Airport at Mascot, just outside Sydney, and yes he's an uncle somewhere on my Father's side of the family.).

I have seen UFOs, but that doesn't mean that I've seen spaceships. The only time I felt compelled to report something was seeing bright green flaring balls of light that appeared to be showering down on Bankstown Airport (light aircraft only, but one of the busiest airports in the world). I reported what I had seen to the police, and they rang me back to report that nearby Army exercises were responsible for the flares, and I was satisfied with that explanation.

I very much doubt that Audrey is still with us but she had a shrewd and intelligent legal mind. So what made her buy into the bat-shit craziness? Jan at least has the excuse that lrh saved her from the 'evil psychs'.

Remember that, like any cult, critical thinking for oneself is not permitted.

Well, that may 'work' for Jan, but it is hogwash just the same.

Typical, programmed by L.Ron Hubbard hogwash as a part of Scientologys hate propaganda against Psychiatry and any and all human endavour to figure out what to do with mental illness.

I know people who've had ECT and tell me it helped them..

And besides.. I consider Scientology processing even more dangerous to the human mind than scientologists think psychiatry is!

Hmm.. Some scientologists I know are crazier than the ECT 'victims' I know..

So if Jan Eastgate is using ECT and psychiatry as a 'motivator'.. Hmm.. According to Scn tech she 'pulled it in'.. She has 'overts' on psychiatry.. And sh'es obviously 'unflat' on psychiatry.

Let's discuss the crime rather than the person.

IMO, it's a bit of a slippery slope when we start discussing someone's medical history on a public forum, particularly if we choose to minimise what was done to that person in a manner that has, to me, faint echoes of the original crime.

Although I agree in principle Panda, in this case it is the medical history that is pretty directly involved. Unfortunately Jan is an extreme example of scientology's paranoia of psychiatry, fueled of course by her own experience. However it also led to covering up abuse, and as the 'face' of that abuse in this case, it is relevant.

I do think the discussion should concentrate on the crime she was arrested for tho.

I received a PM about my abovequoted post and I accept the criticisms presented. I am not attempting to give a life listing of Jan's mental history, nor any diagnoses that may have been made. I am merely pointing out that her history includes psychiatric treatment without any opinion as to whether it was appropriate at the time or not.

I am merely trying to impart enough of her viewpoint for other people to understand her motivation in protecting $cn at all costs. Certainly, if I had been aware of why Phoebe was constantly on the phone to speak to Jan, I may have acted differently, or would I?

If my efforts to be impartial and present another side of the story have come across as dumping more shit on Jan, that was not my intention and my posts should not be read in that spirit.

I may have now lost all respect I once had for Jan, but I still believe that she is entitled to "due process". Phoebe and Carmen Rainer are equally entitled to that same "due process".

RPX

 

[Panda Termint]

No worries, Gordon, I never doubted that your mention of it was well-intentioned.

 

[Albion]

Better late than never: write-up at Infinite Complacency.

Jonny Jacobsen

 

[Lovinglife625]

Better late than never: write-up at Infinite Complacency.

Jonny Jacobsen

Great write-up Jonny.

Your site remains the go-to site of its kind. Thank you so much for all that.

I can remember when you were about the only journalist not afraid of writing about the abuses of Miscavige and organized scientology well before it was common knowledge. This includes some years ago when I spoke about Miscavige's beatings of others and only you tried to get it published.

You have my utmost respect!

Larry Brennan

 

[ChuckNorrisCutsMyLawn]

Great write-up Jonny.

Your site remains the go-to site of its kind. Thank you so much for all that.

I can remember when you were about the only journalist not afraid of writing about the abuses of Miscavige and organized scientology well before it was common knowledge. This includes some years ago when I spoke about Miscavige's beatings of others and only you tried to get it published.

You have my utmost respect!

Larry Brennan

Yep I love that blog, it's well organized and full of well written articles

 

[Petey C]

I received a PM about my abovequoted post and I accept the criticisms presented. I am not attempting to give a life listing of Jan's mental history, nor any diagnoses that may have been made. I am merely pointing out that her history includes psychiatric treatment without any opinion as to whether it was appropriate at the time or not.

I am merely trying to impart enough of her viewpoint for other people to understand her motivation in protecting $cn at all costs. Certainly, if I had been aware of why Phoebe was constantly on the phone to speak to Jan, I may have acted differently, or would I?

If my efforts to be impartial and present another side of the story have come across as dumping more shit on Jan, that was not my intention and my posts should not be read in that spirit.

I may have now lost all respect I once had for Jan, but I still believe that she is entitled to "due process". Phoebe and Carmen Rainer are equally entitled to that same "due process".

RPX

If GC/RPX is simply repeating what Jan herself has disclosed publicly, there's no wrong in that at all. And I agree that she should have the same rights under the law as anyone else.

P

 

[Arthur Dent]

Better late than never: write-up at Infinite Complacency.

Jonny Jacobsen

Yes, this and the links are great. Thank you, Jonny!

 

[Helena Handbasket]

The class system within scio is alive and well.

Having once been an illegal PC they will NEVER gain the status of a 'normal person'. (eg "Good God - what did you do last lifetime to pull that in this lifetime?" I kid you not.)I remember one darling lady who had had a lobotomy and helped with CCHR in Melbourne. They were nice to her face but not behind her back. Thank goodness she wasn't concerned about getting into scio, only exposing psychs, so it didn't bother her too much.

Actually, I have a psych past.

At the end of my last lifetime I was "on the inside". For a long time I was afraid that the C of S would find out and make me illegal, until someone told me that only THIS LIFETIME psych history makes you illegal.

Even so, I didn't talk about it.

Helena

 

[Intelligence]

He's probably already beyond the swearing and well into the beating of staff members, where as if Hubbard was still running the show, he'd still be curled up in a fetal position and crying about the evil psychs, it would take him a little longer before he made someone else punish the staff members for him.

Maybe DM will just blame it on Jan's past life that was missed in a sec check. They're feeling the heat around the globe and this summer is going to be very hot indeed.
Bend over DM and OSA. This is going to hurt big time

 

[Free to shine]

Court Listings Search Results
Results as at: 08 October 2011 09:30 PM EDST
http://searchcourtlists.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/scm/search

Date: 13 Oct
Time: 09:30
Listing type: Mention (Police)
Juristiction: Criminal
Court: Local
Presiding Officer: Unassigned
Location: Downing Centre
Court Room: Online Court
Case Title: R v JANICE MEYER
Case Number: 201100178789

 

[degraded being]

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