SchwimmelPuckel
Genuine Meatball
Allright.. Lying deliberatly is immoral.. Is it more or less immoral to deliberatly change ones 'reality' and then tell the lie 'truthfully'?
Allright.. Lying deliberatly is immoral.. Is it more or less immoral to deliberatly change ones 'reality' and then tell the lie 'truthfully'?
You mean a thread attempting to lesson, degrade or tare me down?
You guys are good at that aren't you?
That's all that goes on here isn't it?
Why don't you guys talk about something positive for once?
I'm banned from Marty's blog now, so I have to do everything here, by the way.
Dang it!!
I always hoped that I would be able to be around once he began to come unglued.
Here's the link to his latest post where he actually, finally, addresses something of substance:
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2010/11/02/worse-than-fair-game/#comments
I had to read it a few times before I got it.
At least I think I got it.
I think he is saying that the reason L Ron Hubbard ordered David Miscavige to spit in David Mayo's face as part of a standard Scientology justice action - and then tell him it was from Ron - was because David Miscavige had been reporting to LRH that David Mayo worked for the FBI and the American Psychiatric Association.
In other words, the reason Hubbard give these orders to David Miscavige for physical abuse and have him carry them out was not Hubbard's fault - it was Miscavige's "3rd party" which caused all this.
It's either that, or Marty actually believes that David Mayo and the other guy were working for the FBI and the APA, and that is why the physical abuse was ordered by LRH to be carried out by David Miscavige on them.
Either way, physical abuse was ordered by L Ron Hubbard as a standard justice action when he was alive and running Scientology.
That is what is being revealed by Jesse Prince on Marty's blog right now.
I
Personally I'd prefer stronger links, but not being a critic I don't collect them.
Anyone have an URL to an FBI document saying she was framed?
I am now fairly certain that Marty is not capable of creating or managing a less abusive form of Scientology.
Another thread about Marty?
Oh well, I might as well join in. And start with the initial question.
Who do I believe out of Jesse Prince and Marty Rathbun?
Well both actually. Not 100%, but I believe that each speaks from their own perspective and experiences. If you had a dozen people all view the same complex series of events and asked them afterwards what they saw, you’d probably get a dozen different descriptions.
Knowing this, we can then read the various accounts of The Story of Scientology and be alert to the inevitable discrepancies and inaccuracies.
I think Rathbun tells it as he sees it (with perhaps a large dash of how he wants it to be) and Prince does the same. Of course, you might say that Prince has long since left Scientology behind and has no stake in the future of Scientology, independent or otherwise, but I find both their viewpoints interesting and valuable.
My own belief, based on actual observations is that when someone has been in the Sea Org for an extended period of time, especially in the upper echelons such as RTC, their thinking and cognitive processes are severely affected. It can take a great deal of time to fully recover, if indeed they ever will.
I think Rathbun talks some sense and I believe that his intentions are basically good, but when he makes claims that Mayo and Aczel were in the employ of the FBI and the APA, I have to shake my head in sadness. I wonder if he ever stops to consider that this is just the sort of thing that current SO members are saying about him and will continue to believe even when they leave the SO?
But, the good news is that he is prepared to listen to some contrary views (but apparently only from the ‘right’ sort of people. No riff-raff obviously. [Pointedly looks at Alanzo] ) and perhaps the truth will gradually percolate its way through the dross of cultic conditioning?
Axiom142
Anyone could.
Marty's doing good and expanding to let the likes of Ensifar post.
And me for that matter.
What did you do to piss him of this time?
I asked why the fake names, secrecy and shore stories at Creston when Sarge was there.
And I invited everybody over to ESMB to hear 1st hand LRH stories from the participants here.
That was it for me on Marty's Blog.
Jettisoned.... shot from guns..... toasted, I think they call it.
I asked why the fake names, secrecy and shore stories at Creston when LRH moved in, per Sarge's story.
And I invited everybody over to ESMB to hear 1st hand LRH stories from the ESMBers here who knew LRH and worked with him for decades.
That was it for me on Marty's Blog.
Jettisoned.... shot from guns..... toasted, I think they call it.
Well there's your mistake, right there, Al.I asked why the fake names, secrecy and shore stories at Creston when LRH moved in, per Sarge's story.
And I invited everybody over to ESMB to hear 1st hand LRH stories from the ESMBers here who knew LRH and worked with him for decades.
That was it for me on Marty's Blog.
Jettisoned.... shot from guns..... toasted, I think they call it.
I'm not banned. Marty just asked me to detail LRH attempts to jail Paulette Cooper.
I qouted :-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Freakout
http://www.holysmoke.org/pc/pcof1.htm
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/cooper/frk.html
http://home.snafu.de/tilman/krasel/cooper/clearwater.html
Personally I'd prefer stronger links, but not being a critic I don't collect them.
Anyone have an URL to an FBI document saying she was framed?
I asked why the fake names, secrecy and shore stories at Creston when LRH moved in, per Sarge's story.
And I invited everybody over to ESMB to hear 1st hand LRH stories from the ESMBers here who knew LRH and worked with him for decades.
That was it for me on Marty's Blog.
Jettisoned.... shot from guns..... toasted, I think they call it.
Are you saying that mankind and this planet didn't have any problems before Scientology came along?
I give you the dark ages, slavery and both world wars as examples that came before Scientology.
What's your solution Mr. Joker?
Where's your body of work or books written to help your fellow man Schwim?