Jim Carrey pwned the cult?

[Gizmo]

There have been lots of suicides and apparent suicides on the fringes of the Cult, both inside and out.

For some reason I keep thinking about Philip Seymour Hoffman... also a drug overdose but where did the drugs come from? Was someone infuriated by his role as The Master?

More than bothersome. He had been clean for about 5 years. Yes, recovering addicts have surely been known to OD in the process of falling off the wagon. I have know several people that went that way.

My experience with addicts going out is that that get SOME drugs & do 'em. But, with Philip Seymour Hoffman there were enough drugs in his room to start a drug store ! That, to me, is highly unusual.

It just doesn't fit most OD related deaths - some drugs in evidence after a death, but, bunches spread around the room? Nah.

I'd bet he was flat murdered in a hit made to appear a suicide..

 

[degraded being]

referring to Philip Hoffman's death:

IMO some just want a particular thing to be true instead of waiting to find out what is true.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...d-46-autopsy-expected-today-article-1.1600477

Do you know what is true?

Do you have access to OSA's files so that you can know what is or isn't true about the death of Hoffman who was probably on scientology's active SP list?

Do you think "waiting to find out what is true" in cases where OSA would have connections, is how to get to the truth? I think that was Panda's idea too.

 

[Lone Star]

There are several items that jump out in Tony O's article today. But here's one that really jumped out at me, highlighted below....


".....but we can say that we’ve never talked to so many spooked reporters — from around the world — who are calling us and saying they keep running into strange problems reporting this story....." --Tony Ortega 10/7/15

I say it jumped out at me because we keep hearing that overall reporters are less afraid than ever to cover and write about the cult. But this story has them spooked.

This story is adding an extra element of spookiness during this pre-Halloween season. Now that we know more than we did last weekend, there is an air of something wicked afoot.

But I do wonder if there's something specific that is spooking the reporters. Something we don't yet know?

 

[Thrak]

referring to Philip Hoffman's death:





Do you know what is true?

Do you have access to OSA's files so that you can know what is or isn't true about the death of Hoffman who was probably on scientology's active SP list?

Do you think "waiting to find out what is true" in cases where OSA would have connections, is how to get to the truth? I think that was Panda's idea too.

I believe the most likely until evidence of something more sinister or unlikely becomes credible.

Fact: Hoffman was a know heroin addict. Heroin addiction is one of the toughest addictions to beat. Many heroin addicts OD and die.
To say something else could of happened is useless until you have evidence.

Fact: Cathriona White had severe depression. Depression not unlike heroin addiction can be also extremely difficult to beat. Many depressives take their own lives.
To say something else could of happened is useless until you have evidence.

I'm not saying I know what happened or that different theories shouldn't be discussed. But what is clear is that a lot of people really want OSA to be involved in these things.
I guess that sort of thing makes them feel better some how.

 

[Lone Star]

I believe the most likely until evidence of something more sinister or unlikely becomes credible.

Fact: Hoffman was a know heroin addict. Heroin addiction is one of the toughest addictions to beat. Many heroin addicts OD and die.
To say something else could of happened is useless until you have evidence.


Fact: Cathriona White had severe depression. Depression not unlike heroin addiction can be also extremely difficult to beat. Many depressives take their own lives.
To say something else could of happened is useless until you have evidence.

I'm not saying I know what happened or that different theories shouldn't be discussed. But what is clear is that a lot of people really want OSA to be involved in these things.
I guess that sort of thing makes them feel better some how.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I suspect that she was being used without her knowledge.

Possibly she discovered this.

She ended her own life out of a sense of overwhelming despair.

Not the action of someone working for Scientology, rather someone overwhelmed by it.

That's what I'm feeling too, most of us know what being overwhelmed by the cofs feels like and many of us are as tough as old boots (strong) ... Cat was fragile and in love and if she discovered she had been used to "handle" Jim Carrey (and had failed dismally) she would have felt incredibly torn, possibly so torn that (after losing his commitment to her) leaving this life felt like the best option.

I'm still stuck on the appalling reality that the cofs accepted her for "services" while fully aware of her condition, how DARE they? Who do these people think they are?

This is really going to do the cofs a lot of damage and they know it ... it isn't going away as these things have in the past ... the Lisa McPherson "handling" is now known and available for all to read about (straight from those actually there) and people won't look away as they once did, it's so easy to sit and read the details on the net and follow down all the other skeletons in the cofs cupboard.

The cofs is no longer scary (unless you are still trapped within it) it's just a silly, nasty, greedy, tax advantaged, cartoon show ...and the whole world can see that now.

 

[Leland]

I believe the most likely until evidence of something more sinister or unlikely becomes credible.

Fact: Hoffman was a know heroin addict. Heroin addiction is one of the toughest addictions to beat. Many heroin addicts OD and die.
To say something else could of happened is useless until you have evidence.


Fact: Cathriona White had severe depression. Depression not unlike heroin addiction can be also extremely difficult to beat. Many depressives take their own lives.
To say something else could of happened is useless until you have evidence.

I'm not saying I know what happened or that different theories shouldn't be discussed. But what is clear is that a lot of people really want OSA to be involved in these things.
I guess that sort of thing makes them feel better some how.

Thrak....knowing the track record of the Cult...and the policy of the Cult.....and the programs of the Cult.....used in the past....for decades and decades.....is why.

A-List Hollywood multimillionaire movie star........and young beautiful cult girl....almost half his age....???? Its already been posted that Shelly Miscavige was IN CHARGE of a program to get Jim Carrey into the Cult....

What else do you need?

 

[Churchill]

I believe the most likely until evidence of something more sinister or unlikely becomes credible.

Fact: Hoffman was a know heroin addict. Heroin addiction is one of the toughest addictions to beat. Many heroin addicts OD and die.
To say something else could of happened is useless until you have evidence.


Fact: Cathriona White had severe depression. Depression not unlike heroin addiction can be also extremely difficult to beat. Many depressives take their own lives.
To say something else could of happened is useless until you have evidence.

I'm not saying I know what happened or that different theories shouldn't be discussed. But what is clear is that a lot of people really want OSA to be involved in these things.
I guess that sort of thing makes them feel better some how.

No one wants OSA to be involved.

OSA is involved, according to Claire Headley.

And no, OSA doesn't overtly murder people, but I do recall Hubbard gleefully boasting on tape about enemies of Scientology committing suicide.

Linda Hamel didn't force pills down anyone's throat. You are missing the point.

Think about a depressed Paulette Cooper being enticed up to that rooftop ledge with "Jerry Levin."

That is what Scientology does.

Scientology is a mindfuck, and fragile people are at great risk when they come into contact with it.

Scientology Kills.

Don't you know that?

 

[Thrak]

Thrak....knowing the track record of the Cult...and the policy of the Cult.....and the programs of the Cult.....used in the past....for decades and decades.....is why.

A-List Hollywood multimillionaire movie star........and young beautiful cult girl....almost half his age....???? Its already been posted that Shelly Miscavige was IN CHARGE of a program to get Jim Carrey into the Cult....

What else do you need?

Uh, evidence. I mean come on. Just because somebody might want a certain thing to happen, does not mean they are willing to put their neck on the line to make it happen. Is that that hard to understand? Every conspiracy has that in common. Is it worth the risk of getting caught to do what you want to do because that is the risk - getting caught. It's far better if you can get someone else to take the risk for you.

I think a lot of people who are prone to believe in conspiracies don't actually put themselves in the viewpoint of the person trying to pull off the conspiracy and consider all of the things that could go wrong. Nobody has magical powers.

I mean what are we even talking about here? The cherch killed the girl? Granted they might have tried to get her to spy on him. Or maybe they wanted to blackmail him. That's their style. Murder? Kind of risky.

 

[Thrak]

No one wants OSA to be involved.

OSA is involved, according to Claire Headley.

And no, OSA doesn't overtly murder people, but I do recall Hubbard gleefully boasting on tape about enemies of Scientology committing suicide.

Think about a depressed Paulette Cooper being enticed up to that rooftop ledge with "Jerry Levin."

That is what Scientology does.

Don't you know that?

Yes of course I'm aware of what they have done in the past. I would argue it's a different era and they can't do the shit they used to do anymore. Maybe I'm wrong.

But one of the stupidest things the cult has done is in dismantling itself. There's used to be numerous people available to "handle" situations. You had Rathbun, Rinder, Lesevre, Jentz and god knows how many others that could serve as operatives on these things but the Dim Midget either locked them up or ran them off. They have a fraction of the strength they used to because you know who can't stand having anybody around that actually has any intelligence.

So yes "OSA" or DM in my opinion definitely tried to do some shit here. But was it seriously criminal or maybe just kind of sleazy? Until we know, what's the point of saying maybe they did this or that or whatever?

But I will stand by my statement. Some people do WANT OSA to be involved here and in the Hoffman case. Sorry but it's pretty obvious.

 

[Leland]

Yes of course I'm aware of what they have done in the past. I would argue it's a different era and they can't do the shit they used to do anymore. Maybe I'm wrong.

But one of the stupidest things the cult has done is in dismantling itself. There's used to be numerous people available to "handle" situations. You had Rathbun, Rinder, Lesevre, Jentz and god knows how many others that could serve as operatives on these things but the Dim Midget either locked them up or ran them off. They have a fraction of the strength they used to because you know who can't stand having anybody around that actually has any intelligence.

So yes "OSA" or DM in my opinion definitely tried to do some shit here. But was it seriously criminal or maybe just kind of sleazy? Until we know, what's the point of saying maybe they did this or that or whatever?

But I will stand by my statement. Some people do WANT OSA to be involved here and in the Hoffman case. Sorry but it's pretty obvious.

I hear you.

The situation and occurrences with David Miscavige Senior.....that is very recent......are some of the same things done to Paulette Cooper.....back in 1970. Thats 45 years....

The Cult just doesn't have a "new play book..." They are just trying to apply the original one, more "correctly..." LOL....(can I laugh at my own joke?)

I do agree with some of your points...

 

[Thrak]

There are several items that jump out in Tony O's article today. But here's one that really jumped out at me, highlighted below....


".....but we can say that we’ve never talked to so many spooked reporters — from around the world — who are calling us and saying they keep running into strange problems reporting this story....." --Tony Ortega 10/7/15

I say it jumped out at me because we keep hearing that overall reporters are less afraid than ever to cover and write about the cult. But this story has them spooked.

This story is adding an extra element of spookiness during this pre-Halloween season. Now that we know more than we did last weekend, there is an air of something wicked afoot.

But I do wonder if there's something specific that is spooking the reporters. Something we don't yet know?

I hope this thing does have legs. I'm sure the cult IS in damage control mode as suicide is always their worst nightmare, especially of someone famous or closely connected to someone famous. Even worse is one their premises but you know that a small distinction.

But it does come down to specifics. Were there meetings? What was the subject of the meetings? Was there a plot? Was Miss White involved knowingly or unknowingly? What really happened? Anything really sinister or just another footbullet for the cherch of footbulletology? It will be interesting if Carrey speaks on the matter.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

..

It is not likely that there is a written record of what this lovely but tragic young woman went through in the last months of her life.

And, if they didn't have her PC and ETHICS folders already "sterilized" (OSA keeping the nasty bits away from staff in a vault or otherwise hidden), they certainly (by now) have tried to remove any evidence. What comes to mind is Marty Rathbun's order to "Lose it!" when Scn execs brought to his attention that there was very damaging evidence in the logbooks that Lisa McPherson's "handlers" were studiously keeping.

There is no evidence of the cult's direct or even indirect involvement in her suicide, but that's what investigations are for.

If I am speculating, my thoughts wander to trying to think of what would push a person to kill themselves. I can only imagine (assuming for a moment that the cult wasn't involved) that the cumulative setbacks & losses reached a critical mass that was overwhelming--and hopelessness drowned whatever spark remained. I have no idea about what happened, but (again speculating), there seems to be some rather devastating events in the weeks just before she died.

I read (if it is to be believed) that just recently her mother said some awful things to her about being a loser.

I read (if it is to be believed) that just recently Jim Carrey, the love of her life, broke up with her.

I read (if it is to be believed) that she was on the Survival Rundown at Celebrity Center but "off course/auditing" because she was "bogged".

Having worked at missions, orgs and major Sea Org bases, there are certain things that would be uniformly true:

* Having had a psych history, she would be an "ILLEGAL PC"

* Having a major celebrity boyfriend, she would be directly handled by senior execs, OSA and special CC Int project orders, written just for her.

* Having someone onlines that was connected to a public critic of Scientology (again, Jim Carrey) who openly "joked & degraded" about Hubbard and Scn, she would be labeled PTS.

* If her usefulness to Scientology ended by reason of Jim Carrey breaking up with her, her shadowy "handlers" behind the curtains would revise her program. Either to "handle" Jim and get back together with him. Or, if she was unable to re-establish the relationship, they would immediately recognize that she is of no value to the cult (i.e. no money, no fame, no celebrity power) and she is, instead, a huge liability to the org (see next bullet point).

* The liability that OSA would start to eliminate was that she was an illegal PC onlines, connected to a raving SP (Carrey). They would r-factor her that she is an illegal PC and, as such, could not get auditing or ever go Clear or do OT levels.​

Sure, it's all speculation, but I have seen these things before, they are not the least unusual and, in fact, that is how "POLICY" would run her program. All of the policies on "PTS" and "ILLEGAL" would be temporarily waived for a rich person or a celebrity (which includes people in a major celebrity's entourage).

If she was fighting depression and her mother came down hard on her, that would have not helped and likely made things much worse.

If she was fighting depression and Jim Carrey broke up with her, that alone could have sent her to the edge.

If she was teetering on the edge and the Church of Scientology (perhaps her only hope and life-ring in an ocean of troubles) then turned its back on her and said she is "Illegal" and not able to get any help (auditing), I can imagine that she was pushed over that precarious edge.

That's my speculation and imagination and perhaps "instincts" of what likely happened.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be the least surprised to find out in some distant future that COB simply wanted her dead as a way to take revenge on critic Jim Carrey. That's the exact kind of thing that Hubbard did with critics and he even writes about his dark pathological need to exact revenge in policies (".....always even the score.")

I would also imagine that if not for Scientology, she would have been receiving help from a mental health care professional and very likely on prescriptive medication to level out her moods and depression. Would that have helped? Perhaps.

But, with Scientology in the mix, it could never have ended well. They don't have anything good for the mentally ill. They even say (in their policies) that they don't treat or accept the mentally ill for services. But they also (see "Hubbard Law of Commotion") also have other polices and programs that try to legislate against psychiatrists and psychologists treating the mentally ill. Meaning.....SCIENTOLOGY DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TO TREAT THE MENTALLY ILL. EXCEPT THEMSELVES. BUT THEY HAVE POLICIES AGAINST TREATING THE MENTALLY ILL, MEANING THAT NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO TREAT OR HELP THE MENTALLY ILL. EXCEPT WHEN SCIENTOLOGY CAN MAKE MONEY OR GAIN POWER (VIA CELEBRITIES) FROM TREATING THE MENTALLY ILL.

Because of the severity of Scientology's own mental illness (see bold section in paragraph above) the cult's influence on the mentally ill is to push them further into insanity.

I think I'll end my rant here.




ps: Have I mentioned recently that Scientology (the modern science of mental health) is severely mentally ill?

 

[Jump]

..

It is not likely that there is a written record of what this lovely but tragic young woman went through in the last months of her life.

And, if they didn't have her PC and ETHICS folders already "sterilized" (OSA keeping the nasty bits away from staff in a vault or otherwise hidden), they certainly (by now) have tried to remove any evidence. What comes to mind is Marty Rathbun's order to "Lose it!" when Scn execs brought to his attention that there was very damaging evidence in the logbooks that Lisa McPherson's "handlers" were studiously keeping.

There is no evidence of the cult's direct or even indirect involvement in her suicide, but that's what investigations are for.

If I am speculating, my thoughts wander to trying to think of what would push a person to kill themselves. I can only imagine (assuming for a moment that the cult wasn't involved) that the cumulative setbacks & losses reached an critical mass that was overwhelming--and hopelessness drowned whatever spark remained. I have no idea about what happened, but (again speculating), there seems to be some rather devastating events in the weeks just before she died.

I read (if it is to be believed) that just recently her mother said some awful things to her about being a loser.

I read (if it is to be believed) that just recently Jim Carrey, the love of her life, broke up with her.

I read (if it is to be believed) that she was on the Survival Rundown at Celebrity Center but "off course/auditing" because she was "bogged".

Having worked at missions, orgs and major Sea Org bases, there are certain things that would be uniformly true:

* Having had a psych history, she would be an "ILLEGAL PC"

* Having a major celebrity boyfriend, she would be directly handled by senior execs, OSA and special CC Int project orders, written just for her.

* Having someone onlines that was connected to a public critic of Scientology (again, Jim Carrey) who openly "joked & degraded" about Hubbard and Scn, she would be labeled PTS.

* If her usefulness to Scientology ended by reason of Jim Carrey breaking up with her, her shadowy "handlers" behind the curtains would revise her program. Either to "handle" Jim and get back together with him. Or, if she was unable to re-establish the relationship, they would immediately recognize that she is of no value to the cult (i.e. no money, no fame, no celebrity power) and she is, instead, a huge liability to the org (see next bullet point).

* The liability that OSA would start to eliminate was that she was an illegal PC onlines, connected to a raving SP (Carrey). They would r-factor her that she is an illegal PC and, as such, could not get auditing or ever go Clear or do OT levels.​

Sure, it's all speculation, but I have seen these things before, they are not the least unusual and, in fact, that is how "POLICY" would run her program. All of the policies on "PTS" and "ILLEGAL" would be temporarily waived for a rich person or a celebrity (which includes people in a major celebrity's entourage).

If she was fighting depression and her mother came down hard on her, that would have not helped and likely made things much worse.

If she was fighting depression and Jim Carrey broke up with her, that alone could have sent her to the edge.

If she was teetering on the edge and the Church of Scientology (perhaps her only hope and life-ring in an ocean of troubles) then turned its back on her and said she is "Illegal" and not able to get any help (auditing), I can imagine that she was pushed over that precarious edge.

That's my speculation and imagination and perhaps "instincts" of what likely happened.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be the least surprised to find out in some distant future that COB simply wanted her dead as a way to take revenge on critic Jim Carrey. That's the exact kind of thing that Hubbard did with critics and he even writes about his dark pathological need to exact revenge in policies (".....always even the score.")

I would also imagine that if not for Scientology, she would have been receiving help from a mental health care professional and very likely on prescriptive medication to level out her moods and depression. Would that have helped? Perhaps.

But, with Scientology in the mix, it could never have ended well. They don't have anything good for the mentally ill. They even say (in their policies) that they don't treat or accept the mentally ill for services. But they also (see "Hubbard Law of Commotion") also have other polices and programs that try to legislate against psychiatrists and psychologists treating the mentally ill. Meaning.....SCIENTOLOGY DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TO TREAT THE MENTALLY ILL. EXCEPT THEMSELVES. BUT THEY HAVE POLICIES AGAINST TREATING THE MENTALLY ILL, MEANING THAT NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO TREAT OR HELP THE MENTALLY ILL. EXCEPT WHEN SCIENTOLOGY CAN MAKE MONEY OR GAIN POWER (VIA CELEBRITIES) FROM TREATING THE MENTALLY ILL.

Because of the severity of Scientology's own mental illness (see bold section in paragraph above) the cult's influence on the mentally ill is to push them further into insanity.

I think I'll end my rant here.




ps: Have I mentioned recently that Scientology (the modern science of mental health) is severely mentally ill?

Excellent points.

There is also the safepointing angle. If a psychiatrist points out the truth - that cos is making people crazy, then the retort is 'they would say that because we are the only ones saving the world from their abuses'.

Yes, classic Hubbard double-curve.

 

[Churchill]

Yes of course I'm aware of what they have done in the past. I would argue it's a different era and they can't do the shit they used to do anymore. Maybe I'm wrong.

But one of the stupidest things the cult has done is in dismantling itself. There's used to be numerous people available to "handle" situations. You had Rathbun, Rinder, Lesevre, Jentz and god knows how many others that could serve as operatives on these things but the Dim Midget either locked them up or ran them off. They have a fraction of the strength they used to because you know who can't stand having anybody around that actually has any intelligence.

So yes "OSA" or DM in my opinion definitely tried to do some shit here. But was it seriously criminal or maybe just kind of sleazy? Until we know, what's the point of saying maybe they did this or that or whatever?

But I will stand by my statement. Some people do WANT OSA to be involved here and in the Hoffman case. Sorry but it's pretty obvious.

In the past? Are you for real? Of course it took place in the past! I can't offer a future crime for examination.

Maybe you mean the dim reaches of the past?

Like two years ago, when Miscaviage instructed his PI to "let him die" - referring to his own father!

Sorry, but you are torturing logic with your posts here.

And you know the Philip Seymour Hoffman case has nothing to do with this.

You just tossed it in to bolster your very weak argument, in my opinion.

That's what's obvious.

But you're entitled to your opinion; it's all yours.

 

[Churchill]

..

It is not likely that there is a written record of what this lovely but tragic young woman went through in the last months of her life.

And, if they didn't have her PC and ETHICS folders already "sterilized" (OSA keeping the nasty bits away from staff in a vault or otherwise hidden), they certainly (by now) have tried to remove any evidence. What comes to mind is Marty Rathbun's order to "Lose it!" when Scn execs brought to his attention that there was very damaging evidence in the logbooks that Lisa McPherson's "handlers" were studiously keeping.

There is no evidence of the cult's direct or even indirect involvement in her suicide, but that's what investigations are for.

If I am speculating, my thoughts wander to trying to think of what would push a person to kill themselves. I can only imagine (assuming for a moment that the cult wasn't involved) that the cumulative setbacks & losses reached a critical mass that was overwhelming--and hopelessness drowned whatever spark remained. I have no idea about what happened, but (again speculating), there seems to be some rather devastating events in the weeks just before she died.

I read (if it is to be believed) that just recently her mother said some awful things to her about being a loser.

I read (if it is to be believed) that just recently Jim Carrey, the love of her life, broke up with her.

I read (if it is to be believed) that she was on the Survival Rundown at Celebrity Center but "off course/auditing" because she was "bogged".

Having worked at missions, orgs and major Sea Org bases, there are certain things that would be uniformly true:

* Having had a psych history, she would be an "ILLEGAL PC"

* Having a major celebrity boyfriend, she would be directly handled by senior execs, OSA and special CC Int project orders, written just for her.

* Having someone onlines that was connected to a public critic of Scientology (again, Jim Carrey) who openly "joked & degraded" about Hubbard and Scn, she would be labeled PTS.

* If her usefulness to Scientology ended by reason of Jim Carrey breaking up with her, her shadowy "handlers" behind the curtains would revise her program. Either to "handle" Jim and get back together with him. Or, if she was unable to re-establish the relationship, they would immediately recognize that she is of no value to the cult (i.e. no money, no fame, no celebrity power) and she is, instead, a huge liability to the org (see next bullet point).

* The liability that OSA would start to eliminate was that she was an illegal PC onlines, connected to a raving SP (Carrey). They would r-factor her that she is an illegal PC and, as such, could not get auditing or ever go Clear or do OT levels.​

Sure, it's all speculation, but I have seen these things before, they are not the least unusual and, in fact, that is how "POLICY" would run her program. All of the policies on "PTS" and "ILLEGAL" would be temporarily waived for a rich person or a celebrity (which includes people in a major celebrity's entourage).

If she was fighting depression and her mother came down hard on her, that would have not helped and likely made things much worse.

If she was fighting depression and Jim Carrey broke up with her, that alone could have sent her to the edge.

If she was teetering on the edge and the Church of Scientology (perhaps her only hope and life-ring in an ocean of troubles) then turned its back on her and said she is "Illegal" and not able to get any help (auditing), I can imagine that she was pushed over that precarious edge.

That's my speculation and imagination and perhaps "instincts" of what likely happened.

On the other hand, I wouldn't be the least surprised to find out in some distant future that COB simply wanted her dead as a way to take revenge on critic Jim Carrey. That's the exact kind of thing that Hubbard did with critics and he even writes about his dark pathological need to exact revenge in policies (".....always even the score.")

I would also imagine that if not for Scientology, she would have been receiving help from a mental health care professional and very likely on prescriptive medication to level out her moods and depression. Would that have helped? Perhaps.

But, with Scientology in the mix, it could never have ended well. They don't have anything good for the mentally ill. They even say (in their policies) that they don't treat or accept the mentally ill for services. But they also (see "Hubbard Law of Commotion") also have other polices and programs that try to legislate against psychiatrists and psychologists treating the mentally ill. Meaning.....SCIENTOLOGY DOES NOT WANT ANYONE TO TREAT THE MENTALLY ILL. EXCEPT THEMSELVES. BUT THEY HAVE POLICIES AGAINST TREATING THE MENTALLY ILL, MEANING THAT NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO TREAT OR HELP THE MENTALLY ILL. EXCEPT WHEN SCIENTOLOGY CAN MAKE MONEY OR GAIN POWER (VIA CELEBRITIES) FROM TREATING THE MENTALLY ILL.

Because of the severity of Scientology's own mental illness (see bold section in paragraph above) the cult's influence on the mentally ill is to push them further into insanity.

I think I'll end my rant here.




ps: Have I mentioned recently that Scientology (the modern science of mental health) is severely mentally ill?

 

[tetloj]

..

.......

There is no evidence of the cult's direct or even indirect involvement in her suicide, but that's what investigations are for.

.......



Having worked at missions, orgs and major Sea Org bases, there are certain things that would be uniformly true:

* Having had a psych history, she would be an "ILLEGAL PC"

* Having a major celebrity boyfriend, she would be directly handled by senior execs, OSA and special CC Int project orders, written just for her.

* Having someone onlines that was connected to a public critic of Scientology (again, Jim Carrey) who openly "joked & degraded" about Hubbard and Scn, she would be labeled PTS.

* If her usefulness to Scientology ended by reason of Jim Carrey breaking up with her, her shadowy "handlers" behind the curtains would revise her program. Either to "handle" Jim and get back together with him. Or, if she was unable to re-establish the relationship, they would immediately recognize that she is of no value to the cult (i.e. no money, no fame, no celebrity power) and she is, instead, a huge liability to the org (see next bullet point).

* The liability that OSA would start to eliminate was that she was an illegal PC onlines, connected to a raving SP (Carrey). They would r-factor her that she is an illegal PC and, as such, could not get auditing or ever go Clear or do OT levels.​

I would just add to this that her friendship group was not garden-variety public, but highly connected Scientologists (GO as well as celebrity)

Also, Scientology's involvement may not have been an immediate cause of her tragic decision to end her life but I have not doubt that the background manipulation was in play and this would have to have contributed to her mental state over the period of her involvement with Scientology and her relationship with Carrey.

And Thrak - I do appreciate your skepticism as it helps me keep my speculation within parameters - if that makes sense

​

 

[Free to shine]

And here is yet another, gentle view, a nice article:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-new...ser-to-home-than-we-might-think-31580175.html

As the week went on, some people were surprised to read that Cathriona's family were spending time grieving with Jim Carrey in LA. Did they not see, as the tabloids did, that he was the bad guy in this? Clearly not. Carrey wore a Tipp jersey on occasion too, funnily enough. And maybe this brings us back to where we started. Maybe Carrey isn't the bad guy and maybe he was right, and maybe her family saw that. Maybe she was too delicate for this soil. Maybe in the end Cathriona's death was not that different from any suicide in any small town in Ireland. Maybe her skinlessness, her sensitivity, her black dog, whatever you call it, had left her isolated while surrounded by people.

And maybe in those final moments she felt alone and far away from home, and maybe she succumbed to that permanent solution to a temporary problem, because maybe she thought it would take her home again to somewhere she was comfortable, where things didn't hurt so much.

 

[ThetanExterior]

If Jim Carrey knows how scientology operates then he must be getting a bit worried.

The CofS is being linked to the suicide and Carrey is also being linked in terms of his meds being used and the fact that he apparently ended his relationship with her.

Since Carrey has been openly critical of scientology they will consider him to be an SP so what better way to get themselves out of this situation than to somehow dump all the blame on Carrey? I'm sure their dirty tricks department will be looking at how they can do this and leave him to take all the flak.

 

[Thrak]

In the past? Are you for real? Of course it took place in the past! I can't offer a future crime for examination.

Maybe you mean the dim reaches of the past?

Like two years ago, when Miscaviage instructed his PI to "let him die" - referring to his own father!

Sorry, but you are torturing logic with your posts here.

And you know the Philip Seymour Hoffman case has nothing to do with this.

You just tossed it in to bolster your very weak argument, in my opinion.

That's what's obvious.

But you're entitled to your opinion; it's all yours.

I have zero idea what I said in that post that you're having an issue with. Yes I know they use PIs and do shifty stuff to this day. Does anybody have any real evidence that there is more than meets the eye to this particular thing or is it all just gut feel or because they do other sleazy stuff? I went to CC for 10 years or so and never saw anything beyond mildly sleazy but I know the staff are treated like shit.

And I just read the Ortega thing about spying on Carrey to get him on the purif. Ooooh pretty sinister stuff, an "insider" told Shelley Miscavige that Carrey was on Prozac.

And I wasn't the one who initially brought up Hoffman. It just illustrates my point that when anything weird happens it's always OSA OSA OSA! That's happened on this board many many times.

So your argument is what exactly?

What did "OSA" do here?

What am I missing?