Jim Carrey pwned the cult?

[Boson Wog Stark]

The cult hates this story being told, because it is mysterious and intriguing with so many dimensions. It is also the opposite of a lot of their PR.

SECRECY: The cult uses secrecy as a cornerstone and bait to lure in people to their labyrinth of courses, processing, front groups, packages, procedures and rundowns. Things like the Survival Rundown are things a member gets into after considerable indoctrination and the public isn't supposed to know about how lengthy or costly these things are, and what they consist of.

CELEBRITY: Scientology plays up the success and glam aspects of being a celebrity, and while they would like to snag and rescue a major celebrity like Carrey, given his history (mocking the cult), this is just embarrassing for the cult to deal with the intimate association of him with one of their now dead Celebrity Centre members, even though she was just at the bottom of the industry.

SURVIVAL: Survival is supposed to be one of Hubbard's genius revelations, right? This is horrible PR for the cult that this complex story can be reduced to a member who killed herself while on, or after months of, Scientology's elaborate, costly survival "package," I'll call it. Then there's the problem of "survival" conjuring up other intriguing and interesting things in the public's mind; survivalists, survival retreats, where people go on long treks into the mountains or whatever.

But no, in Scientology survival is just supposed to mean...well, what does it mean. Does it mean when you're a Scientologist, you have to learn to survive Scientology? Survivalists are expecting some kind of impending catastrophic event. People who go on survival retreats are hoping to shift their viewpoint through deprivation or a radically different experience from their everyday lives.

Hubbard didn't survive past the age of 74. I don't think Scientology wants the public to become curious about what Hubbard meant about survival, because not only didn't he do it for very long, his whole concept about it seems nonsensical to outsiders, or at least it did to me when i tried to read about it. In regard to Scientology, surviving the aftermath of years, dollars and abuse is more relevant.

She didn't survive the Survival Rundown. It makes it sound shady and dangerous. Scientology would like the public to believe that Scientology is whatever you want it to be that's good, helpful and that it has all the answers. It isn't supposed to be what it is: an elaborate trap to get people's money.

 

[Lone Star]

If Jim Carrey knows how scientology operates then he must be getting a bit worried.

The CofS is being linked to the suicide and Carrey is also being linked in terms of his meds being used and the fact that he apparently ended his relationship with her.

Since Carrey has been openly critical of scientology they will consider him to be an SP so what better way to get themselves out of this situation than to somehow dump all the blame on Carrey? I'm sure their dirty tricks department will be looking at how they can do this and leave him to take all the flak.

If I were a friend of Jim C I'd be telling him to lawyer up immediately and not say a damn thing to anyone, especially not to the police, without an attorney present. The reason is because DM's cohorts may be whispering "sweet nothings" into the ears of their buddies at the LAPD to look into how Cat got the drugs. Thrak, you want to know what OSA is doing? My best guess is that they are in damage control mode to get the stink of this suicide off of the cult. No, I don't think they directly killed her. But the perception is growing that it is "their fault" somehow. They can't allow this to go unchallenged.

What better way than to point the light of inquisition at Jim Carrey. Unfortunately for him it won't be difficult because on the surface the facts don't look good. Four different prescription meds in his alias name were at her residence. How did they get there? So far the standard answer is that she took them without his knowledge. If so, then when did she take them? Before the break up? After the break up? If after the break up did she have a "key" to his house? I doubt it. His house is undoubtedly very secure.

She either took them before the break up, or Jim C allowed her to have them with permission. If he did the latter then technically he broke a law. That's why he needs a lawyer. But, if the former is true he still needs a lawyer because the cult will probably be putting out there the story that he gave them to her. It's also possible that he kept these meds at her residence for himself, which wouldn't be against the law, but just not very smart given her known depression.

Now we know that the Scilons believe this suicide is Jim C's fault because he is the SP that was on her lines. No doubt about it. (Of course, per their own policy she should've been disconnected from him, but they are never wrong so it's all Jim's fault). He was connected with the psychs for several years. For a few years he took the most Scilon hated drug Prozac. He publicly ridiculed Scientology. He is the SP in their mind per policy. Now they have to convince the world of this. And they'll try.

To sum up, Jim C needs to take this very seriously and get ready for a shit storm. The cult is on the ropes and is desperate as a result. The stink of this suicide on them is coming at a very inopportune time. Right now they are trying to influence the Academy to not award Paul Haggis an Oscar for Going Clear. They are desperate to get back their favorable status in Hollywood. Unfortunately for Jim C the cult has good friends in the LAPD and within the LA County Sheriffs Dept.




P.S. I fully expect the cult to lose the PR battle on this. The court of public opinion will rule against them. It's the potential legal battle in which Jim C needs to prepare and steel himself.

 

[Churchill]

I have zero idea what I said in that post that you're having an issue with. Yes I know they use PIs and do shifty stuff to this day. Does anybody have any real evidence that there is more than meets the eye to this particular thing or is it all just gut feel or because they do other sleazy stuff? I went to CC for 10 years or so and never saw anything beyond mildly sleazy but I know the staff are treated like shit.

And I just read the Ortega thing about spying on Carrey to get him on the purif. Ooooh pretty sinister stuff, an "insider" told Shelley Miscavige that Carrey was on Prozac.

And I wasn't the one who initially brought up Hoffman. It just illustrates my point that when anything weird happens it's always OSA OSA OSA! That's happened on this board many many times.

So your argument is what exactly?

What did "OSA" do here?

What am I missing?

I never brought up Hoffman either.

So that was simply a red herring you tossed into your reply.

If you'd like to know what my argument is exactly, and what you're missing, you can read my previous posts on this thread.

I can explain it to you, but I'm not able to comprehend it for you.

 

[Jump]

If I were a friend of Jim C I'd be telling him to lawyer up immediately

...

And consider retaining Ray Jeffrey as co-counsel, or getting some input on how the CoS operates...

 

[strativarius]

This article from the Daily Mail online has been up for a few hours. There are only two small references to scientology in the main article, but there is a snippet from Cathriona's suicide note.

DailyMail.com revealed White, a Scientologist, had been taking 'survival' courses at the religion's celebrity center in the past few months.

 

[Terril park]

Right now they are trying to influence the Academy to not award Paul Haggis an Oscar for Going Clear. They are desperate to get back their favorable status in Hollywood.

Any docs for this?

Looks like a footbullet in the making.

 

[Enthetan]

..

Having worked at missions, orgs and major Sea Org bases, there are certain things that would be uniformly true:

* Having had a psych history, she would be an "ILLEGAL PC"

* Having a major celebrity boyfriend, she would be directly handled by senior execs, OSA and special CC Int project orders, written just for her.

* Having someone onlines that was connected to a public critic of Scientology (again, Jim Carrey) who openly "joked & degraded" about Hubbard and Scn, she would be labeled PTS.

* If her usefulness to Scientology ended by reason of Jim Carrey breaking up with her, her shadowy "handlers" behind the curtains would revise her program. Either to "handle" Jim and get back together with him. Or, if she was unable to re-establish the relationship, they would immediately recognize that she is of no value to the cult (i.e. no money, no fame, no celebrity power) and she is, instead, a huge liability to the org (see next bullet point).

* The liability that OSA would start to eliminate was that she was an illegal PC onlines, connected to a raving SP (Carrey). They would r-factor her that she is an illegal PC and, as such, could not get auditing or ever go Clear or do OT levels.​

(snip)

If she was teetering on the edge and the Church of Scientology (perhaps her only hope and life-ring in an ocean of troubles) then turned its back on her and said she is "Illegal" and not able to get any help (auditing), I can imagine that she was pushed over that precarious edge.

That's my speculation and imagination and perhaps "instincts" of what likely happened.

And then there is the whole concept of "end cycle", where when a Scientologist is deemed a sufficient liability to Scientology, he sees "ending cycle" (committing suicide in the hopes that "next lifetime" he (or she) will do better) is seen as the only viable option.

Someone who is deemed an "illegal PC" and in sufficiently bad shape that they don't think they can carry on, may look at this option.

 

[Enthetan]

I went to CC for 10 years or so and never saw anything beyond mildly sleazy but I know the staff are treated like shit.

Scn tries very hard to ensure that public never sees the ugliness.

Somebody who was never in the SO or OSA was likely never exposed to the full extent of just how nasty Scn can be when somebody sees a threat.

 

[Lone Star]

New at the Underground Bunker this morning...

For some reason, news sites are keeping quiet about who found Cat White’s body. So here he is.

 

[Enthetan]

I mean what are we even talking about here? The cherch killed the girl? Granted they might have tried to get her to spy on him. Or maybe they wanted to blackmail him. That's their style. Murder? Kind of risky.

We're not talking about outright murder. We're talking about manipulating an unstable woman to a point where she commits suicide. That's the Scientology style.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Scn tries very hard to ensure that public never sees the ugliness.

Somebody who was never in the SO or OSA was likely never exposed to the full extent of just how nasty Scn can be when somebody sees a threat.

That's one of Scientology's dirtiest little secrets.

The viciousness of Scn is governed only by whether they think they can get away with it or not and the concern for what PR damage might be done if they are convicted. That includes stalking, theft, burglary, espionage, intimidation, conspiring to frame innocent persons, kidnapping, imprisonment, terrorism & murder.

Accusing Scientology of those (bolded) acts of evil, one would certainly be considered a paranoid conspiracy loon--were it not for the simple fact that Hubbard and Scientology actually went to the trouble of publishing their sociopathic and criminal fair game and assorted black ops "policies".

Scientology: The religion where scripture mandates you do anything at all senior scientologists want you to do--so that they avoid getting caught.

 

[WildKat]

If I were a friend of Jim C I'd be telling him to lawyer up immediately and not say a damn thing to anyone, especially not to the police, without an attorney present. The reason is because DM's cohorts may be whispering "sweet nothings" into the ears of their buddies at the LAPD to look into how Cat got the drugs. Thrak, you want to know what OSA is doing? My best guess is that they are in damage control mode to get the stink of this suicide off of the cult. No, I don't think they directly killed her. But the perception is growing that it is "their fault" somehow. They can't allow this to go unchallenged.

What better way than to point the light of inquisition at Jim Carrey. Unfortunately for him it won't be difficult because on the surface the facts don't look good. Four different prescription meds in his alias name were at her residence. How did they get there? So far the standard answer is that she took them without his knowledge. If so, then when did she take them? Before the break up? After the break up? If after the break up did she have a "key" to his house? I doubt it. His house is undoubtedly very secure.

She either took them before the break up, or Jim C allowed her to have them with permission. If he did the latter then technically he broke a law. That's why he needs a lawyer. But, if the former is true he still needs a lawyer because the cult will probably be putting out there the story that he gave them to her. It's also possible that he kept these meds at her residence for himself, which wouldn't be against the law, but just not very smart given her known depression.

Now we know that the Scilons believe this suicide is Jim C's fault because he is the SP that was on her lines. No doubt about it. (Of course, per their own policy she should've been disconnected from him, but they are never wrong so it's all Jim's fault). He was connected with the psychs for several years. For a few years he took the most Scilon hated drug Prozac. He publicly ridiculed Scientology. He is the SP in their mind per policy. Now they have to convince the world of this. And they'll try.

To sum up, Jim C needs to take this very seriously and get ready for a shit storm. The cult is on the ropes and is desperate as a result. The stink of this suicide on them is coming at a very inopportune time. Right now they are trying to influence the Academy to not award Paul Haggis an Oscar for Going Clear. They are desperate to get back their favorable status in Hollywood. Unfortunately for Jim C the cult has good friends in the LAPD and within the LA County Sheriffs Dept.

P.S. I fully expect the cult to lose the PR battle on this. The court of public opinion will rule against them. It's the potential legal battle in which Jim C needs to prepare and steel himself.

I agree with all of this. He better get a lawyer and his own PR people to get proactive in this developing story.

One correction: three of the drugs were in his alias; one, Zofran, was not. I mentioned in another post it was possible she was pregnant, as Zofran is used to combat nausea. Pregnant women sometimes get suicidal if the pregnancy happens around the inconvenient time of a failed relationship.

http://www.people.com/article/jim-carrey-girlfriend-cathriona-white-four-prescription-pill-bottles

 

[Lone Star]

Her US timeline according to the Independent:

(I added some items that the article left out. Highlighted in blue)

2009: Cathriona moved to Los Angeles from her home in Co Tipperary to begin a career as a make-up artist at the age of 22

2010: A year after moving, the young woman sought out acting roles and appeared as an extra on 'The Online Gamer'
2010: Starts taking Scientology courses at the urging of new friends in Hollywood.



2011 -2012: Working as a beautician, she found work on the Hollywood film 'Firefly' and further work on 'The Online Gamer'
Summer 2012: Cathriona soon found herself in the headlines when she is pictured with Hollywood actor Jim Carrey. It's soon confirmed the couple are in a relationship
September 26, 2012: Cathriona's father Pat passes away from cancer. It is understood he had been in ill-health for a number of years previously. Cathriona is unable to come home for his funeral in the family's native village of Cappawhite. (Due to her illegal residence status in the US).


2013: Cathriona's career continues to get stronger as the young woman gets work as a make-up artist and hair stylist on several productions
January 2013: Marries a Scientologist

March 2013: It's reported that Cathriona's relationship with Jim Carrey is over as the pair have "drifted apart".

2014-2015: Does the Purification Rundown and starts on the Survival Rundown which includes TRs and Objectives.


May 2015: Carrey and Cathriona are pictured together again as they decide to give their relationship another go. Since May, it's reported Cathriona has moved to a €1m rented home in Sherman Oaks in Los Angeles.
September 24, 2015: The couple are reported to have ended their relationship again. It comes weeks after Carrey posted two images of himself on his Twitter account which he credited to Cathriona


September 25, 2015: Cathriona posted the following on her Twitter account: "Signing off Twitter, I hope I have been a light to my nearest and dearest."
September 28, 2015: Two friends call to Cathriona's home where they found her body. Emergency services were called but she is declared at the scene. There has been no cause of death yet - but it's understood the Los Angeles coroner's office are investigating it as an apparent suicide.
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I'm wondering what she did in Scientology way back in 2010? I'm thinking maybe the Basics?

I wonder if she married the Scientologist before the first breakup with Jim Carrey? If not, it was very close to the end of their first relationship.

She moves into her Sherman Oaks home and starts renting it around May or June of this year. Right about the time she was stalling out on the Survival Rundown. A 1.3 Million Dollar (US) home, so I'm betting that Jim Carrey was paying all or part of the rent. But, perhaps she was making enough to afford it herself.

 

[Lone Star]

Michael Leonard Tilse made an insightful comment on The Bunker regarding worker visas and immigration status in the cult...

Michael Leonard Tilse • 2 days ago There used to be and I think still are a lot of Scientologists in LA who are not in the US legally. A bunch are from Canada. They stay out of the immigration spotlight by working for Scientologists who are willing to employ them and not report them. Or they work on jobs like selling door to door sales or multi-level marketing.
It's a real problem because they cannot risk being found out, so even more than usual they are taken advantage of by the Scientologist employers.
The information you are uncovering is making them nervous Tony. It is not only the Sea Org folks on phony religious worker visas. What happens when they leave the S.O.? They go to work for all the nickel and dime scams that Public Scientologists are running. I suspect it is an issue that could really blow up.
I wonder out loud if "being stuck on the survival rundown" was being used to pressure her to get money to get "review auditing" or other services and with the depression, it made her desperate. If she asked Carrey to loan her some money for it and he turned her down that could have been a breaking point.
It is clear that there is much more to this story. Keep digging.

 

[Lone Star]

Any docs for this?

Looks like a footbullet in the making.

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/going-clear-paranoia/

 

[Lone Star]

Those of you who are lurking and don't really know the coldhearted mindset of a dedicated, practicing, fully on board Scientologist....

A comment from the Underground Bunker:

StudentOfLife • 2 days ago Just got off the phone with OT2 who recenly finished the Survival Rundown on top of the puriff (second time), now preparing to "go clear." Asked her (since she attends LA events at the Celeb Center) if she knew Cathriona White (OT2 has invited me to Kirstie Alley's home in my pre-Bunker days) and I've met a couple times with a very accomplished OT8 keyboard player who tried to patronize me implying I was too intelligent not to be a Scilon, lol.

I told her it's all over the news that a Scientologist committed suicide. I forgot until afterwards she has the software filter that blacks out "entheta" or bad news about Scientology.


She said why would she know? I knew she went to the film of the '93 War is Over video this past weekend and I was wondering if they even mentioned a moment of silence for one our parishioners. She said why would "we" do that? She said that girl, if she committed suicide, was obviously not practicing Scientology and drew in her problems.

I said do they ever announce a death or illness of anyone in all the times she's been in classes and at events? She said no, why is that important? I stated it's customary to alert parishioners of any group, in VFW, or AA, or churches or at teacher's meetings, of members who others might want to be aware of to offer help, condolences, or whatever. I said wouldn't you want to know if your SRD twin had a health problem or died suddenly rather than just show up to class and all of a sudden she's gone.

I caught her off guard obviously, because she said it's irrelevant, if people choose to drop the body or "bring on"...(I think that's what she said, something to that effect, I was so shocked listening to her cold analysis) a condition, it's not for us to question or think about. OUR JOB IS TO KEEP SCIENTOLOGY WORKING.. (that last sentence is her exact quote)


I've got to be declared an SP just for my sanity as being in business with these two Scilons any longer is depressing. This once warm loving human being, OT2, is now a blackened and frigid soul in less than four years. My stomach is in knots the more I learn about the secrets of this sick criminal syndicate. I predicted early on here that Cathriona White's story would explode into something bigger. Looks like many of us in here were correct. Tick Tock David Miscavige.

 

[Enthetan]

I wonder out loud if "being stuck on the survival rundown" was being used to pressure her to get money to get "review auditing" or other services and with the depression, it made her desperate. If she asked Carrey to loan her some money for it and he turned her down that could have been a breaking point.
It is clear that there is much more to this story. Keep digging.

If Carrey was paying her way (which her living in an expensive rented home, while working as a makeup artist, would imply), and she went over the line in asking for money, that might have been the trigger for the breakup. Again, just speculation.

 

[Thrak]

Scn tries very hard to ensure that public never sees the ugliness.

Somebody who was never in the SO or OSA was likely never exposed to the full extent of just how nasty Scn can be when somebody sees a threat.

Exactly which is kind of my point. CC is the brown nose division of scn and they for the most part do their job quite well. I have no doubt they could have played a part in her death. Intentionally? No way. Way too much risk and no reward and what could possibly be the reason? This woman had nothing in common with the people who get attacked. Paulette Cooper, Ron Miscavige, Jason Beghe, Tony Ortega, Debbie Cook, Rinder, Rathbun etc all outspoken critics. And being closely connected to a not in mega star means there's no way they would have used aggressive techniques. But absolutely their "drech" could have destabilized her no question. I felt like absolute shit sometimes after sessions.

 

[Churchill]

This is probably nothing, and I'm frankly hesitant to mention it, but I noticed that Den Bradshaw, today identified as the person who found the body of Cat White

works as a "lead facilitator" at www.canadianoutback.com

Among the activities this company performs is the staging of crime scenes as seen in those ubiquitous CSI shows, as a form of "Corporate training."


The website states, "Use your detective skills to follow the evidence...This interactive and entertaining group activity will have you solving the clues and uncovering the secrets...

Each location will be staged as a crime or evidence collection area where teams must carefully search for clues..."


Um, I confess that here I'm at a loss for words. The website has photos of these carefully staged crime scenes, including the ominous yellow Crime Scene tape.

It is as if reality and fantasy have collided; the line between them blurred beyond recognition.

I remind myself that the reality is... a sweet 30 year old Scientologist with seemingly perfectly wonderful friends is dead.

 

[Thrak]

If I were a friend of Jim C I'd be telling him to lawyer up immediately and not say a damn thing to anyone, especially not to the police, without an attorney present. The reason is because DM's cohorts may be whispering "sweet nothings" into the ears of their buddies at the LAPD to look into how Cat got the drugs. Thrak, you want to know what OSA is doing? My best guess is that they are in damage control mode to get the stink of this suicide off of the cult. No, I don't think they directly killed her. But the perception is growing that it is "their fault" somehow. They can't allow this to go unchallenged.


P.S. I fully expect the cult to lose the PR battle on this. The court of public opinion will rule against them. It's the potential legal battle in which Jim C needs to prepare and steel himself.

Absolutely!