Jim Carrey pwned the cult?

[Thrak]

I'm wondering what she did in Scientology way back in 2010? I'm thinking maybe the Basics?

I wonder if she married the Scientologist before the first breakup with Jim Carrey? If not, it was very close to the end of their first relationship.

She moves into her Sherman Oaks home and starts renting it around May or June of this year. Right about the time she was stalling out on the Survival Rundown. A 1.3 Million Dollar (US) home, so I'm betting that Jim Carrey was paying all or part of the rent. But, perhaps she was making enough to afford it herself.

Probably DIV 6 courses maybe intro auditing?

I doubt as a freelance makeup artist she would be able to afford that. I bet Carrey was footing the bill.

 

[secretiveoldfag]

IMO some just want a particular thing to be true instead of waiting to find out what is true.

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertai...d-46-autopsy-expected-today-article-1.1600477

The one does not exclude the other. Sometimes you only find out the truth by imagining what might have happened.

 

[Gizmo]

I believe the most likely until evidence of something more sinister or unlikely becomes credible.

Fact: Hoffman was a know heroin addict. Heroin addiction is one of the toughest addictions to beat. Many heroin addicts OD and die.
To say something else could of happened is useless until you have evidence.

Fact: Cathriona White had severe depression. Depression not unlike heroin addiction can be also extremely difficult to beat. Many depressives take their own lives.
To say something else could of happened is useless until you have evidence.

I'm not saying I know what happened or that different theories shouldn't be discussed. But what is clear is that a lot of people really want OSA to be involved in these things.
I guess that sort of thing makes them feel better some how.

Nicotine is harder to kink than Heroin. Heroin while very addictive isn't close to the of crystal meth - that one it tough to break.

Also, did you notice he had been clean for a bout 5 years ?

Yeah, addicts have a life long struggle after they get clean but the guy was trying he had a few years clean.

True, some people who have been clean that long do go out, OD, & die. I know one. The circumstances a round Hoffman were fishy. It is a known fact the CoS had killed people.

Not too wild a suspicion to feel the CoS may be responsible for the death of Hoffman.

 

[Thrak]

Nicotine is harder to kink than Heroin. Heroin while very addictive isn't close to the of crystal meth - that one it tough to break.

Also, did you notice he had been clean for a bout 5 years ?

Yeah, addicts have a life long struggle after they get clean but the guy was trying he had a few years clean.

True, some people who have been clean that long do go out, OD, & die. I know one. The circumstances a round Hoffman were fishy. It is a known fact the CoS had killed people.

Not too wild a suspicion to feel the CoS may be responsible for the death of Hoffman.

So all the bags of heroin and other drugs in his place were planted by OSA? And why only go after Hoffman? He didn't write or direct it. Sorry don't buy it.

 

[Lone Star]

So all the bags of heroin and other drugs in his place were planted by OSA? And why only go after Hoffman? He didn't write or direct it. Sorry don't buy it.

I don't either. It was PT Anderson's project and idea to do that movie. Hoffman screwed up by taking a drink. That led to another drink. Then another. Then again on another day. Then heroin. He was a true blue diseased addict. No one murdered him.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

This is probably nothing, and I'm frankly hesitant to mention it, but I noticed that Den Bradshaw, today identified as the person who found the body of Cat White

works as a "lead facilitator" at www.canadianoutback.com

Among the activities this company performs is the staging of crime scenes as seen in those ubiquitous CSI shows, as a form of "Corporate training."


The website states, "Use your detective skills to follow the evidence...This interactive and entertaining group activity will have you solving the clues and uncovering the secrets...

Each location will be staged as a crime or evidence collection area where teams must carefully search for clues..."


Um, I confess that here I'm at a loss for words. The website has photos of these carefully staged crime scenes, including the ominous yellow Crime Scene tape.

It is as if reality and fantasy have collided; the line between them blurred beyond recognition.

I remind myself that the reality is... a sweet 30 year old Scientologist with seemingly perfectly wonderful friends is dead.

Well, bro', anybody (like ourselves) who has been on the "inside" of Scientology has seen enough to know that when the promo screams "Beyond Your Wildest Dreams!", it's actually true. But not the way you thought or hoped.

Virtually any act to "Keep Scientology Working" (i.e. to "utterly destroy" an "enemy" by "disposing of them without sorrow") is not only possible--it is something that would earn you a "commendation" in your "ethics folder".

What you considered above (albeit speculation, imagination, intuition or entirely hypothetical) is certainly possible. Anything is possible at the core of Scientology, if they think they can get away with it.

In all likelihood, the only way we would really find out what has really happened "inside" Scientology's elite mafia over the past 65 years would be this: (Daydream scenario)

* FBI indicts Scientology leaders and all (Past-Present) Scn Staff Members on RICO, conspiracy, fraud, racketeering and a laundry list of other felonious charges. That would include such illustrious 'keepers of the secret' Pat Broeker and others who knows (proverbial or otherwise) where the 'bodies are buried'. FBI also indicts (for same charges) Scientology's Private Investigators, Agents, Lawyers and other delegated-paid goons.

* FBI offers "immunity for testimony" to everyone except David Miscavige. And, facing very lengthy prison sentences, nearly all "loyal officers" would roll over and spill their guts of all the black ops, fraud, lies, financial crimes and unimaginably insane acts that have been ordered and carried out in the name of Hubbard and Miscavige.​

And, then, the world would be able to "clear" the word "Scientology" and "know in the fullest sense of the word" what Scientology is actually doing behind the lies, front groups, celebrity shills and pious press releases.

Then, an encyclopedic expose would be published (free, online) for all to read. Tens of thousands of pages of deceit, crimes, thuggery and worse. And, if what you speculated about (above) turned out to be true, it would seem quite pedestrian and "just another page in the sordid story of Scientology".

As horrific as the black ops that I know about (e.g. Operation Snow White, Operation Freakout, et al) I have always believed it is quite fair to assume that these things are just the tip of the iceberg. Because, both Hubbard and Miscavige (if anything) are expert at avoiding prosecution. Neither one has ever served a day in jail or been brought to court on criminal charges. That evidences that they are quite good at hiding or otherwise shielding their crimes from view, with cutouts, layers of obfuscation and a talent for hiding/destroying incriminating evidence. Thus, we only know about the things that they FAILED to hide.

In my imaginary daydream, I wonder which (if any) "loyal officers" would not take the FBI plea deal and go to prison for the rest of their life in order to "flow power to power" and protect Hubbard/Miscavige.[SUP]1[/SUP]












[SUP]1[/SUP] Shit, now I am going to have nightmares of Jenny Linson, Marc Yaeger & Dave Bloomberg and those smug, leering smirks--chasing me around airports with vidcams, screaming "NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT YOU!" lol

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I don't either. It was PT Anderson's project and idea to do that movie. Hoffman screwed up by taking a drink. That led to another drink. Then another. Then again on another day. Then heroin. He was a true blue diseased addict. No one murdered him.

Sure, you're probably right.

But, on the other hand, if Paulette Cooper had jumped off her NYC rooftop[SUP]1[/SUP] in a final desperate moment, the coroner would have made the legal determination of "suicide".

There would not have been surveillance videotape or any other evidence of what really happened.

Her wonderful and dearest friend[SUP]2[/SUP] (that was on the roof with her) would have tearfully testified that she was severely depressed and everyone was worried about her health and sanity leading up to her tragic suicide.

Then, anyone speculating that she was murdered would have been written off as quite crazy.


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[SUP]1[/SUP]rooftop: (Story of Paulette Cooper Link): "Another loyal friend was a new one, a short smiling redhead named Jerry Levin. He was sympathetic to what was going on and moved in with me late that summer. Since I was too depressed to go out much, he did my errands and walked my dog Tiki while I compulsively watched the Watergate hearings. Occasionally, he would persuade me to go up to the rooftop pool with him at night when no one was there. He was a gutsy guy, and he would leap up to the 33-story high ledge and try to get me to join him. “You have to be brave if you’re going to take on those bastards,” he'd say. But I huddled below, a shadow of my former adventurous self."

[SUP]2 [/SUP]friend: The Scientology secret black ops goon whose mission it was to befriend Paulette Cooper in order to gather intel for the Guardian's Office and covertly drive her insane and get her to jump off her roof in what would be labeled "suicide". And if she didn't jump, to push her. The word "friend" in scientology has a special definition that does not appear in the dictionaries of Homo Sapiens.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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So all the bags of heroin and other drugs in his place were planted by OSA? And why only go after Hoffman? He didn't write or direct it. Sorry don't buy it.

Nobody said that OSA killed him.

I think what I (and perhaps others) have merely speculated on is that it would be quite possible that they could have done that.

As far as your logic above--you're right! OSA planting bags of heroin would not be logical. Only going after the actor (not the writer, director, producer, et al) would not be logical.

The only flaw in your logic is that you are assuming OSA would do logical things. This is Scientology we are talking about, right? LOL

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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The one does not exclude the other. Sometimes you only find out the truth by imagining what might have happened.

I like!

Once upon a time, Scientologists were caught red-handed, breaking into and stealing government files.

An FBI agent "imagined" that there might be more information.

So, the FBI conducted multiple raids on Scientology headquarters.

And, hundreds of thousands of incriminating documents and witnesses poured forth. The top ten Scientology senior management executives were indicted, plead guilty and went to federal prison.

And--even other (unrelated) crimes came to the light of day, like the cult's black ops ("Operation Freakout") vs innocent writer Paulette Cooper, where they framed her for bomb threats in an attempt to send her to federal prison for a very long time. Or, if that failed, to push her to insanity and suicide. Or to just murder her.

As you have pointed out, imagination is a very good thing when it comes to staying out of Scientology's sociopathic, murderous crosshairs.

 

[Axiom142]

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I like!

Once upon a time, Scientologists were caught red-handed, breaking into and stealing government files.

An FBI agent "imagined" that there might be more information.

So, the FBI conducted multiple raids on Scientology headquarters.

And, hundreds of thousands of incriminating documents and witnesses poured forth. The top ten Scientology senior management executives were indicted, plead guilty and went to federal prison.

And--even other (unrelated) crimes came to the light of day, like the cult's black ops ("Operation Freakout") vs innocent writer Paulette Cooper, where they framed her for bomb threats in an attempt to send her to federal prison for a very long time. Or, if that failed, to push her to insanity and suicide. Or to just murder her.

As you have pointed out, imagination is a very good thing when it comes to staying out of Scientology's sociopathic, murderous crosshairs.

Good points, well made, HH.

I’m not a fan of ‘Conspiracy Theories’ – most of them are complete garbage – but we are dealing with a paranoid, vindictive, brain-washing cult lead by a sociopathic thug here. Rational behaviour is not in their lexicon.

Time after time, I have thought I have heard the most disgusting, cruel or just plain crazy story about Scientologists, only to be trumped by something even more outlandish or bizarre. There are virtually no limits when it comes to what Scientologists will do in order to further the aims of their nasty little cult.

I believe that the sheer level of batshitedness is what has saved them from detailed examination by the law enforcement agencies. It’s simply too unbelievable. Most people have no conception of what they are capable of. If they truly understood, the cult would be banned in most of the countries of this planet.

We shouldn’t get paranoid about what they might do and we should still insist on hard evidence, but vigilance is the watchword here…

Axiom142

 

[Thrak]

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Nobody said that OSA killed him.

I think what I (and perhaps others) have merely speculated on is that it would be quite possible that they could have done that.

As far as your logic above--you're right! OSA planting bags of heroin would not be logical. Only going after the actor (not the writer, director, producer, et al) would not be logical.

The only flaw in your logic is that you are assuming OSA would do logical things. This is Scientology we are talking about, right? LOL

I hear you guys. If you guys who were on the inside can enlighten us who weren't I'm all ears. I guess I would ask: has any of the crazy shit that used to happen in the 60s and 70s happened in the last 10-15 years? Maybe there's no way we could know but all I'm seeing are squirrel busters and bad PIs.

 

[Victoria]

Well, this little detail about Cats mother calling her a failure on her birthday keeps cropping up.
Today in The Daily Mails spread they claim the police told them that Cats "friends" supplied that little detail.
I do believe if I was the mother, I'd be standing on a building ledge myself by now

 

[JustSheila]

Probably DIV 6 courses maybe intro auditing?

I doubt as a freelance makeup artist she would be able to afford that. I bet Carrey was footing the bill.

She did the services allowed to an 'illegal pc.' SRD. Purif. Objectives. Div 6 courses.

 

[Thrak]

Well, this little detail about Cats mother calling her a failure on her birthday keeps cropping up.
Today in The Daily Mails spread they claim the police told them that Cats "friends" supplied that little detail.
I do believe if I was the mother, I'd be standing on a building ledge myself by now

Who knows? Some people from the "old country" can be pretty tough on their kids. Sad but true.

 

[Terril park]

She did the services allowed to an 'illegal pc.' SRD. Purif. Objectives. Div 6 courses.

Not sure they were allowed to those illegal.

Missions were flexible and serviced some illegal PCs.

 

[Free Being Me]

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Sure, you're probably right.

But, on the other hand, if Paulette Cooper had jumped off her NYC rooftop[SUP]1[/SUP] in a final desperate moment, the coroner would have made the legal determination of "suicide".

There would not have been surveillance videotape or any other evidence of what really happened.

Her wonderful and dearest friend[SUP]2[/SUP] (that was on the roof with her) would have tearfully testified that she was severely depressed and everyone was worried about her health and sanity leading up to her tragic suicide.

Then, anyone speculating that she was murdered would have been written off as quite crazy.

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[SUP]1[/SUP]rooftop: (Story of Paulette Cooper Link): "Another loyal friend was a new one, a short smiling redhead named Jerry Levin. He was sympathetic to what was going on and moved in with me late that summer. Since I was too depressed to go out much, he did my errands and walked my dog Tiki while I compulsively watched the Watergate hearings. Occasionally, he would persuade me to go up to the rooftop pool with him at night when no one was there. He was a gutsy guy, and he would leap up to the 33-story high ledge and try to get me to join him. “You have to be brave if you’re going to take on those bastards,” he'd say. But I huddled below, a shadow of my former adventurous self."

[SUP]2 [/SUP]friend: The Scientology secret black ops goon whose mission it was to befriend Paulette Cooper in order to gather intel for the Guardian's Office and covertly drive her insane and get her to jump off her roof in what would be labeled "suicide". And if she didn't jump, to push her. The word "friend" in scientology has a special definition that does not appear in the dictionaries of Homo Sapiens.

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I like!

Once upon a time, Scientologists were caught red-handed, breaking into and stealing government files.

An FBI agent "imagined" that there might be more information.

So, the FBI conducted multiple raids on Scientology headquarters.

And, hundreds of thousands of incriminating documents and witnesses poured forth. The top ten Scientology senior management executives were indicted, plead guilty and went to federal prison.

And--even other (unrelated) crimes came to the light of day, like the cult's black ops ("Operation Freakout") vs innocent writer Paulette Cooper, where they framed her for bomb threats in an attempt to send her to federal prison for a very long time. Or, if that failed, to push her to insanity and suicide. Or to just murder her.

As you have pointed out, imagination is a very good thing when it comes to staying out of Scientology's sociopathic, murderous crosshairs.

$cientology's sordid disgusting past is full of ops from infiltrating Clearwater, trying to set-up former mayor Gabriel Cazares, infiltrate the Sun newspaper to surveilling Mosey, Rathbun, and DM's father with P.I.'s for example. Cult think: The end justifies the means, lie and betray, always attack, ruin and destroy anyone and everyone opposing $cientology.

$cientology is organized sociopathy practicing psychopathy on each other and their "targets" ... and it's always worse than you think.

G.O. operations (dox)
http://www.xenu.net/archive/go/ops/ops.htm

$cientology’s Master Spies
http://tonyortega.org/2012/11/29/scientologys-master-spies/

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

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I hear you guys. If you guys who were on the inside can enlighten us who weren't I'm all ears. I guess I would ask: has any of the crazy shit that used to happen in the 60s and 70s happened in the last 10-15 years? Maybe there's no way we could know but all I'm seeing are squirrel busters and bad PIs.

The only change since 1950 is that Scientologists have gained 65 years worth of training, practice and experience. Therefore, they are far more skilled now in avoiding detection and prosecution.

Scientology is not good at making Clears or OTs. They have never made even one. But the are extraordinarily good at defrauding people under the banner of religious protections. And equally good at fair gaming their "enemies" (people who blow the whistle) with lies, intimidation, stalking, terror and dirty tricks crusades, both legal and illegal.

Scientology senior management is so adept at lying that most of the Scientologists don't even know that they are incessantly lying to others by simply repeating what the were "briefed" on at an event or studied on course. If the e-meter actually worked 97.5% of Scientologists would all be on the RPF writing up their O/Ws. lol

 

[Thrak]

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The only change since 1950 is that Scientologists have gained 65 years worth of training, practice and experience. Therefore, they are far more skilled now in avoiding detection and prosecution.

Scientology is not good at making Clears or OTs. They have never made even one. But the are extraordinarily good at defrauding people under the banner of religious protections. And equally good at fair gaming their "enemies" (people who blow the whistle) with lies, intimidation, stalking, terror and dirty tricks crusades, both legal and illegal.

Scientology senior management is so adept at lying that most of the Scientologists don't even know that they are incessantly lying to others by simply repeating what the were "briefed" on at an event or studied on course. If the e-meter actually worked 97.5% of Scientologists would all be on the RPF writing up their O/Ws. lol

Well that king of answers my question. What I was getting it was, do they use the same terror tactics they used to? LSD on toothbrushes and trying to coerce suicide on the roof of a building? From what I can tell they don't. IMHO from what I've seen since '08 when I left, most of the really weird and tragic shit was not because that's what "OSA" was trying to do, but because what the cherch was doing was so stressful on the individual that they essentially drove the person insane and then they offed themselves on their own. Rex Fowler, Johnny Lewis, Mario the Swordsman and Nancy Cartwright's boyfriend - can't remember his name and probably others I'm forgetting. Maybe Ms White but it's really unclear what her contact was with them. Oddly none of these people were even critics.

Unless somebody can prove me wrong I still believe they just aren't as reckless and brazen as they used to be. Probably came too close to disaster.

 

[WildKat]

Alison of the Lip TV just did a video interview with Tony Ortega.... Good stuff, including a recap of the Cathriona White suicide, as well as other Scn stories.

http://thelip.tv

 

[Anonycat]

I hear you guys. If you guys who were on the inside can enlighten us who weren't I'm all ears. I guess I would ask: has any of the crazy shit that used to happen in the 60s and 70s happened in the last 10-15 years? Maybe there's no way we could know but all I'm seeing are squirrel busters and bad PIs.

Smurf said he was asked to kill someone when he was OSA.