Jim Carrey pwned the cult?

[HelluvaHoax!]

Well that king of answers my question. What I was getting it was, do they use the same terror tactics they used to? LSD on toothbrushes and trying to coerce suicide on the roof of a building? From what I can tell they don't. IMHO from what I've seen since '08 when I left, most of the really weird and tragic shit was not because that's what "OSA" was trying to do, but because what the cherch was doing was so stressful on the individual that they essentially drove the person insane and then they offed themselves on their own. Rex Fowler, Johnny Lewis, Mario the Swordsman and Nancy Cartwright's boyfriend - can't remember his name and probably others I'm forgetting. Maybe Ms White but it's really unclear what her contact was with them. Oddly none of these people were even critics.

Unless somebody can prove me wrong I still believe they just aren't as reckless and brazen as they used to be. Probably came too close to disaster.

This would be my answer to your question above. . .

Because Hubbard, Miscavige and Scientology management goons (GO, OSA, et al) have been caught innumerable times with major media meltdowns exploding in their faces, they have more recently (past two decades) begun OUTSOURCING their fair game goon ops.

In other words, despite their professed brilliance, the GO and OSA networks were too stupid to avoid detection. They can't help but fail because of their need to show off their "attack" and "shatter" technology.

HOW THEY CHANGED: So, many of the black ops are handled thusly in more recent times. First COS elite INT execs (under the direction of COB) advise their lawyers to get PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS. But not just any PIs, sleazy, criminal, thug PIs like Anthony Pellicano. Amongst his clients were Tom Cruise's attorney Bert Fields and Mafia thug/ hitman Anthony Spilatro of the Chicago Mob (who was later portrayed by Joe Pesci in the movie "CASINO").

Former "PI to the Stars" Pellicano is currently serving a 15 year sentence for illegal wiretapping, terrorist threats, keeping grenades/explosives in his office and a list of other racketeering charges. He is due for parole in 2019.

When a dirty PI like Pellicano was hired, he would run a criminal campaign against the client's "enemy" AND he would also hire third party thugs to intimidate and terrorize people.

Since PIs like Pellicano could be trusted to NEVER REVEAL what he was doing for his client (to avoid prosecution and federal prison for his involvement) it created a multi-level "cutout" for COB. Because COB had someone else in the COS hire the attorney. And then the attorney hired Pellicano. And Pellicano committed crimes and also hired lower level street thugs to be his "muscle" and intimidation. If questioned, COB would not have hired the street thug. Would not have hired the PI (Pellicano) and would not have even hired the attorney--who represented another entity than RTC. Three or four "cutouts" for plausible deniability.

That's how the COS has done a lot of dirty work to avoid Scientologists themselves being interrogated by police or federal agencies--and caving in, turning state's witness against Mary Sue Hubbard and other elite OTs. In other words, Scientology has discovered that its "Loyal Officers" are not so loyal. LOL

It's OUTSOURCING, I tell ya!

 

[Anonycat]

This would be my answer to your question above. . .

Because Hubbard, Miscavige and Scientology management goons (GO, OSA, et al) have been caught innumerable times with major media meltdowns exploding in their faces, they have more recently (past two decades) begun OUTSOURCING their fair game goon ops.

In other words, despite their professed brilliance, the GO and OSA networks were too stupid to avoid detection. They can't help but fail because of their need to show off their "attack" and "shatter" technology.

HOW THEY CHANGED: So, many of the black ops are handled thusly in more recent times. First COS elite INT execs (under the direction of COB) advise their lawyers to get PRIVATE INVESTIGATORS. But not just any PIs, sleazy, criminal, thug PIs like Anthony Pellicano. Amongst his clients were Tom Cruise's attorney Bert Fields and Mafia thug/ hitman Anthony Spilatro of the Chicago Mob (who was later portrayed by Joe Pesci in the movie "CASINO").

Former "PI to the Stars" Pellicano is currently serving a 15 year sentence for illegal wiretapping, terrorist threats, keeping grenades/explosives in his office and a list of other racketeering charges. He is due for parole in 2019.

When a dirty PI like Pellicano was hired, he would run a criminal campaign against the client's "enemy" AND he would also hire third party thugs to intimidate and terrorize people.

Since PIs like Pellicano could be trusted to NEVER REVEAL what he was doing for his client (to avoid prosecution and federal prison for his involvement) it created a multi-level "cutout" for COB. Because COB had someone else in the COS hire the attorney. And then the attorney hired Pellicano. And Pellicano committed crimes and also hired lower level street thugs to be his "muscle" and intimidation. If questioned, COB would not have hired the street thug. Would not have hired the PI (Pellicano) and would not have even hired the attorney--who represented another entity than RTC. Three or four "cutouts" for plausible deniability.

That's how the COS has done a lot of dirty work to avoid Scientologists themselves being interrogated by police or federal agencies--and caving in, turning state's witness against Mary Sue Hubbard and other elite OTs. In other words, Scientology has discovered that its "Loyal Officers" are not so loyal. LOL

It's OUTSOURCING, I tell ya!

Yep! And as you said, they have 60 years of practice in perfecting it. And, as I have told you privately, I know of a firsthand account of a Hubbard ordered murder. This person told me of discovering the body. Yes, it's all real. They will kill you, your friends, your pets, whatever. Depending on your risk in exposing their vicious cult. Even Tony Ortega had Fair Gaming. It goes on to this day. You may not find a family friend dead in your back yard, but close to it.

 

[George Layton]

Not sure they were allowed to those illegal.

Missions were flexible and serviced some illegal PCs.

Good point, scientology might be involved in stalking, theft, burglary, espionage, intimidation, conspiring to frame innocent persons, kidnapping, imprisonment, terrorism & murder, but surely they wouldn't provide services to an illegal PC.
Well maybe if she had a little money but otherwise no way.

 

[Thrak]

Smurf said he was asked to kill someone when he was OSA.

When? How things are changing over time is kind of what I'm talking about.

 

[Jump]

When? How things are changing over time is kind of what I'm talking about.

Yes, that is a frequent refrain .. 'But we don't do that any more!'

I think it was Arnie who observed that they also don't do it any less.

 

[Thrak]

Yes, that is a frequent refrain .. 'But we don't do that any more!'

I think it was Arnie who observed that they also don't do it any less.

I'm not trying to suggest these people have learned and that they're a kinder gentler cult. I just think they're being watched now.

I think in this day and age the people exposed to the most danger are the scientologists - staff and public. And not by some bad ass PI that could kill you 15 different ways, but by being driven insane or to bankruptcy or both.

That seems to be the real danger in this day and age IMHO.

But it's not worth arguing about. It's like arguing over which tentacle of elron's beast was the one that did it. It's the same beast.

 

[Terril park]

Good point, scientology might be involved in stalking, theft, burglary, espionage, intimidation, conspiring to frame innocent persons, kidnapping, imprisonment, terrorism & murder, but surely they wouldn't provide services to an illegal PC.
Well maybe if she had a little money but otherwise no way.

Missions did audit illegal PCs, and kept to policy while doing so. I
know a former mission holder who did so, or saw others do so.
I have a friend who did the briefing course and loads of auditing
before illegal PC policy was written. IIRC she had ECT.

Now merely being overweight disbars you from flag auditing.

 

[Victoria]

Good point, scientology might be involved in stalking, theft, burglary, espionage, intimidation, conspiring to frame innocent persons, kidnapping, imprisonment, terrorism & murder, but surely they wouldn't provide services to an illegal PC.
Well maybe if she had a little money but otherwise no way.

My GF was an illegal PC, until the found out she was loaded.
True story, and probably not a rare one.

 

[Victoria]

Now merely being overweight disbars you from flag auditing.

Is that true?

 

[renegade]

.

Now merely being overweight disbars you from flag auditing.

Isn't that grounds for a discrimination law suit?

 

[Jump]

Isn't that grounds for a discrimination law suit?

Probably not for a so-called religion.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

...

My GF was an illegal PC, until the found out she was loaded.
True story, and probably not a rare one.

Scientology: The world's only religion where the MAA will assign you treason and imprison you under guard in the RPF for "sabotaging" Ron's "Bridge to Total Freedom" by violating Ron's policy and sacred scripture by either:

* "Criminally" accepting an "illegal" PC on org lines for auditing.

.....-OR-

* Not making it go right to obnose that the illegal pc (after being kicked out of the org) got into a $375,000 Bentley--and not sending a chase car after them to let them know that the MAA has been assigned treason and RPFed for not following Ron's policy of "...always keeping the door open a crack". ​

 

[degraded being]

I'm not trying to suggest these people have learned and that they're a kinder gentler cult. I just think they're being watched now.

I think in this day and age the people exposed to the most danger are the scientologists - staff and public. And not by some bad ass PI that could kill you 15 different ways, but by being driven insane or to bankruptcy or both.

That seems to be the real danger in this day and age IMHO.

But it's not worth arguing about. It's like arguing over which tentacle of elron's beast was the one that did it. It's the same beast.

Really?!!

 

[Thrak]

Really?!!

Do you have a point or just feel like being a fucking dick?

 

[Free Being Me]

Yep! And as you said, they have 60 years of practice in perfecting it. And, as I have told you privately, I know of a firsthand account of a Hubbard ordered murder. This person told me of discovering the body. Yes, it's all real. They will kill you, your friends, your pets, whatever. Depending on your risk in exposing their vicious cult. Even Tony Ortega had Fair Gaming. It goes on to this day. You may not find a family friend dead in your back yard, but close to it.

$cientology murders and suicides.
http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/

 

[Gib]

$cientology murders and suicides.
http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/

There are a couple of people not on that list who committed suicide, they are Doug Long and Claudia Ballard. there is a third mentioned deep in Marty Rathbun blog, a motorcycle guy who had been involved awhile.

Claudia Ballard shot herself after the COS cancelled her certificates, she went to AOLA to get retrained or some such nonsense. But they did a number on her.

I might add both Doug Long & Claudia Ballard were highly trained with many hours of auditing others under their belts. Claudia I believe Class 8, Doug Long maybe, but highly trained sec checker.

 

[WildKat]

In Ireland at the funeral

http://img2-2.timeinc.net/people/i/2015/news/151026/jim-carrey-1024.jpg

 

[George Layton]

Missions did audit illegal PCs, and kept to policy while doing so. I
know a former mission holder who did so, or saw others do so.
I have a friend who did the briefing course and loads of auditing
before illegal PC policy was written. IIRC she had ECT.

Now merely being overweight disbars you from flag auditing.

Auditing is the process that solidifies the delusional beliefs presented by scientology. hubbard's tainted take on the mind of man.
The psychological fluctuation's brought about by auditing are false validations that the process is working by misleading the audited person to believe that mental phases are not something every person has but rather only audited people are experiencing.
The false validation is used to shore up the tainted take on reality and the mind. The audited person is then given misinformation leading them to take on deluded beliefs part of which point out false mental ailments that more auditing is the only solution for.
All of scientology auditing and the tainted ideas are used to bring about delusion and mental unbalance. Eventually everyone going through the process becomes, in some varying degree, an illegal PC.

 

[Anonycat]

$cientology murders and suicides.
http://www.xenu-directory.net/mirrors/www.whyaretheydead.net/

The Hubbard-ordered murder that I mentioned, is unknown to the public. And if I was told a firsthand account of one, I'd bet there are others. I'll give you this for the first time ever mentioned in public: Hubbard ordered a murder, and it was a family friend of his own offspring. The dead, bloody body was on the side yard of his own family member's home. And it was a child who discovered the body in their yard. They told me: I was so young, it was the first time I ever saw blood.

 

[Free to shine]

In Ireland at the funeral

http://img2-2.timeinc.net/people/i/2015/news/151026/jim-carrey-1024.jpg

Very, very sad.