Jim Carrey pwned the cult?
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JustSheila
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Megan Shields would do vitamin drips on SO members suffering from fatigue, illness or depression. That's what happened to me.
It's really weird to go to a doctor and think you're going to get real medical help and then be put in a room for an hour or so with an IV tube stuck in your vein with a vitamin drip as the 'cure'. So, so QUACK.
After the one time, I left and never went back to her. Told others about what happened. She's really out there. A super weirdo. I doubt she remembers much of any real medicine anymore, and she's STILL got a clinic doing this quack crap on people who think they're actually going to get medical care.
http://www.optimum-wellness.net/
It's really weird to go to a doctor and think you're going to get real medical help and then be put in a room for an hour or so with an IV tube stuck in your vein with a vitamin drip as the 'cure'. So, so QUACK.
After the one time, I left and never went back to her. Told others about what happened. She's really out there. A super weirdo. I doubt she remembers much of any real medicine anymore, and she's STILL got a clinic doing this quack crap on people who think they're actually going to get medical care.
http://www.optimum-wellness.net/
JustSheila
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Thanks, LS. 
Btw, I love Panda. We agree maybe 80% of the time, but when we don't, well, I still love him. He is a friend.
Panda, I hope I wasn't too rough on you, too, but if I was, I'm sorry. The shame/blame group thing is a bit of a button for me since Scn and I honestly do dislike it, but that's probably all I should have said, anyway.
Oh, btw, I think LS really really likes you...
Btw, I love Panda. We agree maybe 80% of the time, but when we don't, well, I still love him. He is a friend.
Panda, I hope I wasn't too rough on you, too, but if I was, I'm sorry. The shame/blame group thing is a bit of a button for me since Scn and I honestly do dislike it, but that's probably all I should have said, anyway.
Oh, btw, I think LS really really likes you...
Lone Star
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Oh, btw, I think LS really really likes you...
Let me be clear....I am not Gay...I never have been gay.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXO1-EhS31o
Enthetan
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Has JustSheila gotten around to specifying what her preferred level of roughness is, just so we know?
Anonycat
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Karen#1
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I want to whistleblow on how young Hollywood types are lured in, and how it is done.
Young and beautiful wannabees flock to Los Angeles from all over the world.
There are a lot of world class film schools here as well, acting schools galore.
There are constant casting calls for minor roles and these are published in the trade magazines.
Long lines form for the casting calls where struggling actors audition for minor roles in the hope of being :seen for larger roles.
Scientology Celebrity Center recruiters hover and circle like sharks around these casting call lines, where these new actors wait in the lines 1 or 2 hours.
They are offered FREE workshops, FREE introduction to *important* directors and even promised that Celebrity Center will make them the "New Tom Cruise": or "John Travolta." and promise them full service and direction from the President's office at Celebrity Center.
That is the technique used and that is why Celebrity Center has these young actors.
Young Steve Mango had $50,000 leached out of him at Celebrity Center in his early 20s because he had the actor dream and Celebrity Center promised they would make him world famous movie star while forcing him to max his credit cards and draining him of his savings, even suggesting he call his grandma for loans for $$$$$$ so Celebrity Center could get paid.
Young and beautiful wannabees flock to Los Angeles from all over the world.
There are a lot of world class film schools here as well, acting schools galore.
There are constant casting calls for minor roles and these are published in the trade magazines.
Long lines form for the casting calls where struggling actors audition for minor roles in the hope of being :seen for larger roles.
Scientology Celebrity Center recruiters hover and circle like sharks around these casting call lines, where these new actors wait in the lines 1 or 2 hours.
They are offered FREE workshops, FREE introduction to *important* directors and even promised that Celebrity Center will make them the "New Tom Cruise": or "John Travolta." and promise them full service and direction from the President's office at Celebrity Center.
That is the technique used and that is why Celebrity Center has these young actors.
Young Steve Mango had $50,000 leached out of him at Celebrity Center in his early 20s because he had the actor dream and Celebrity Center promised they would make him world famous movie star while forcing him to max his credit cards and draining him of his savings, even suggesting he call his grandma for loans for $$$$$$ so Celebrity Center could get paid.
Thrak
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That is pretty troubling but typical with this cult. Quack/snake oil treatments to serious problems. But I think people need to keep in mind that there are people who don't respond to medical treatment so no one can assume if she had reached out to "proper" treatment she would have lived happily ever after. Depression is a motherfucker.
Knowing what I know I doubt seriously culties had anything directly to do with her death or went anywhere near her home afterwards. That's a pretty populated area in Sherman Oaks and people no doubt would have been watching what was going on there as would happen when somebody famous dies.
What wouldn't surprise me though would be if she was maybe "high on the lie" after her "therapy" and thought everything was going to go great, and that she could beat her depression. And perhaps even had conversations with Jim about how great the cult really was and that he should maybe reconsider his stance on it because it had the power to cure mental illness and save the world and all that bullshit. Maybe even enough to get him to think "this just isn't gonna work out" and when he dumped her she crashed hard.
That I could see as plausible.
Lone Star
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Anonycat
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Enthetan
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You forgot to say that you are speculating! Even if you had, I slap you!
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JustSheila
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Actually, I do understand - better than you think I do.
But you've described the situation much better than anyone else. I've been rolling your comment around in the back of my mind all day. It was very insightful.
Thrak, I think giving someone who suffers from depression hope is a good thing. False hope, of course is not. It is the hope that keeps someone like that going - hope that it will end, hope for a remedy or a cure, hope for a happier life.
Many actually do find that remedy. Some with medications, some with activities, some with love or a social life or maybe all of that.
IMHO, the biggest crime with Scientology's claims to cure someone with depression isn't the false hope, it is the way it is ingrained in a person's mind that it is the ONLY hope. If someone is convinced it is the only solution and then also realizes it doesn't work for them and hasn't solved the problem, and then is BLAMED for it not working, that's enough to trigger a suicide. Why bother trying anymore, if that was the only solution and they blew it.
It is the cruelest con, the most vicious of all activities to falsely claim a cure and BLOCK OFF ALL OTHER IDEAS OR CONCEPT OF CURES, and then blame the person when it doesn't work. No more looking for cures after Scn. This is the one that worked, and she messed it up... but she didn't. The cruelty of the con is beyond belief.
Psychiatry is not entirely hit or miss with depression. Anti-depressants actually do raise a depressed person's general feelings about self. It's just not the whole picture. Still, it's a good, stable base with which to build. It just takes a lot else besides - counseling, social, spiritual - an entire holistic approach and commitment to working very hard to resolve the depression.
It's not that anti-depressants would have necessarily saved her, but outside of Scientology, people take suicidal risk very seriously. Nobody plays around with it. It's not some joke to sell a book or an expensive quack health remedy in a sauna. Life is precious. Every single person's life matters. REAL doctors who deal with depression don't do vitamin IV drips. And they follow up, ensuring first and foremost that the person is not at risk and has a friend or someone else to call or contact if things ever get too tough.
Outside of Scientology, people actually care and take their jobs and mental health seriously and consider people's lives valuable.
Lulu Belle
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I have to admit I don't have all the info on this situation.
From what I've gotten, Catarina was a blown student. Correct? She was on the SRD but from what I've read here, she hadn't been on course for at least 6 months.
She recently was doing some intravenous vitamin thing.
Scientologists are into all kinds of weird supplement shit (electrolyzed water, blue green algae, adrenal supplements, etc.). The church seems to go back and forth as to whether or not they are OK with this stuff. My guess is that Catarina's Scn friends may have turned her on to the vitamin IV thing, but I don't necessarily believe that this is something coming directly from the church.
To understand what I mean, you have to get the LA Scientology public scene. The public get sucked into a whole lot more shit than just Scientology. It's a hotbed of MLMs, crazy get-rich-quick schemes, chiropractic cures, supplement and vitamin businesses, and a whole lot of other stuff.
As much as I hate the church, a lot of this stuff they have nothing really to do with. They have a public who wants to and needs to believe in non-realistic solutions to stuff. (They're Scientologists; what do you expect?)
Most of the time the church puts a blind eye to it as long as it results in them reaping the income benefit from them. Every once in a while they'll go after someone who they decide is squirrel. There was a doctor who practiced "iridology" in LA. This had something to do with being able to figure out what was wrong with you by examining your eyes. Considering the quackery of most of Scientology's medical field, hard to say why they went after her, but they did. I never could understand why her looking at someone's eyeballs was any more squirrel than what the chiros did, but... whatever.
There was another incident involving some instrument called a "zapper" that CMO got all hot and bothered about. Our own Paul (Dulloldfart) went to the RPF for that one.
Point is, this unfortunate woman was doing Scientology services, who seems to have blown off lines, was then doing some other non-effective handlings which could have been suggested by people she knew in the Scn field, then killed herself.
My personal take on it is that the church isn't directly responsible for her death. She immersed herself in the culture of bogus solutions to problems. And Scientology wasn't the only bogus solution; there were a whole lot of them.
Should Scn have let her on lines? No. Should she have been doing a vitamin IV to cure her depression? No. Should she have been under medical supervision? Absolutely.
But, it's weird. Carrey was her boyfriend and he was under medical supervision and was taking meds for depression, but...she wasn't. No one seems to have addressed the issue as to why she simply didn't get a doctor's help. She leaned on him. He was taking meds. But she wouldn't. Even though she obviously knew that was an available solution.
Hate to say it, but this was her call. She knew she could do what Carrey did. But she chose not to.
I don't know why. But she made the decision to do this other shit rather than what her boyfriend did, which was to get under a doctor's care.
I honestly don't see a way to assign the blame for what happened to her to anyone else.
From what I've gotten, Catarina was a blown student. Correct? She was on the SRD but from what I've read here, she hadn't been on course for at least 6 months.
She recently was doing some intravenous vitamin thing.
Scientologists are into all kinds of weird supplement shit (electrolyzed water, blue green algae, adrenal supplements, etc.). The church seems to go back and forth as to whether or not they are OK with this stuff. My guess is that Catarina's Scn friends may have turned her on to the vitamin IV thing, but I don't necessarily believe that this is something coming directly from the church.
To understand what I mean, you have to get the LA Scientology public scene. The public get sucked into a whole lot more shit than just Scientology. It's a hotbed of MLMs, crazy get-rich-quick schemes, chiropractic cures, supplement and vitamin businesses, and a whole lot of other stuff.
As much as I hate the church, a lot of this stuff they have nothing really to do with. They have a public who wants to and needs to believe in non-realistic solutions to stuff. (They're Scientologists; what do you expect?)
Most of the time the church puts a blind eye to it as long as it results in them reaping the income benefit from them. Every once in a while they'll go after someone who they decide is squirrel. There was a doctor who practiced "iridology" in LA. This had something to do with being able to figure out what was wrong with you by examining your eyes. Considering the quackery of most of Scientology's medical field, hard to say why they went after her, but they did. I never could understand why her looking at someone's eyeballs was any more squirrel than what the chiros did, but... whatever.
There was another incident involving some instrument called a "zapper" that CMO got all hot and bothered about. Our own Paul (Dulloldfart) went to the RPF for that one.
Point is, this unfortunate woman was doing Scientology services, who seems to have blown off lines, was then doing some other non-effective handlings which could have been suggested by people she knew in the Scn field, then killed herself.
My personal take on it is that the church isn't directly responsible for her death. She immersed herself in the culture of bogus solutions to problems. And Scientology wasn't the only bogus solution; there were a whole lot of them.
Should Scn have let her on lines? No. Should she have been doing a vitamin IV to cure her depression? No. Should she have been under medical supervision? Absolutely.
But, it's weird. Carrey was her boyfriend and he was under medical supervision and was taking meds for depression, but...she wasn't. No one seems to have addressed the issue as to why she simply didn't get a doctor's help. She leaned on him. He was taking meds. But she wouldn't. Even though she obviously knew that was an available solution.
Hate to say it, but this was her call. She knew she could do what Carrey did. But she chose not to.
I don't know why. But she made the decision to do this other shit rather than what her boyfriend did, which was to get under a doctor's care.
I honestly don't see a way to assign the blame for what happened to her to anyone else.
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Lone Star
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George Layton
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This paragraph below was over at Tony's blog (The Underground Bunker), in this paragraph he states, " Our sources told us that Cat had stalled on the Survival Rundown in the last six months or so." I have seen a couple of comments that Cat had been away from scientology for 6 months, but I thought the sentence might mean that she was still on the SRD and having trouble getting through it.
On Thursday, we reported another finding — that when she had done Scientology’s “Purification Rundown,” and then had started in on her “objectives” in a course known as the “Survival Rundown,” Cat had been paired with actor and professional poker player Travis Case, who became her Scientology “twin.” Our sources told us that Cat had stalled on the Survival Rundown in the last six months or so. We don’t know why she struggled with the course. Case did not respond to a message we left him.
WildKat
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Good sum-up.
So not only are they not handling their depression, they are left to blame themselves, they 'know' there are no other worthwhile avenues, AND they are now left with no money and usually deep in debt.
A recipe for disaster for anyone in a fragile mental state looking to the cult for answers.
I can see how someone "a bit depressed" could easily end up suicidal after being put through the cult's wringer.
I told you I was trouble
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What concerns me is that she may have been on meds when she got into scientology ... and they may have taken her off them?
I know that wouldn't happen normally (she'd have been told to go away once they found out) but in this instance the rules may have been bent? She certainly would have known how anti medication the cofs is (it's impossible not to know).
I'd like the relevant authorities to see her "CS" (case supervision notes) ... I bet they have been well and truly shredded by now though.
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Lone Star
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Cops couldn't see her case files anyway. No Judge would issue a warrant for them. They are protected from "legal eyes".
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