Jon Atack: Did Mary Sue Hubbard Doubt Scientology’s Key Experience?


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Tony Ortega this morning published an interview with Jon Atack with an amazing story:
Jon Atack: Did Mary Sue Hubbard Doubt Scientology’s Key Experience?

Jon Atack is the author of A Piece of Blue Sky, one of the very best books on L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology. He has a new edition of the book for sale, and on Saturdays he’s helping us sift through the legends, myths, and contested facts about Scientology that tend to get hashed and rehashed in books, articles, and especially on the Internet.

Jon, you had an interesting anecdote for us this week about Mary Sue Hubbard. She was L. Ron Hubbard’s third wife, and they had four children together. They were married in 1952, and she was an enthusiastic Scientologist and helped him run his movement, including the years from 1967 to 1975, when they ran Scientology from sea. But you say that didn’t always go smoothly?

JON: Otto Roos was the first OT VIII and one of only five Class XIIs trained by Hubbard, personally. While he was Hubbard’s auditor, aboard ship, he overheard Mary Sue loudly castigating her husband. Imagine, the wife of the Founder, the Deputy Commodore and Controller of the Guardian’s Office, was shouting at the Old Man of the Sea Org and calling him a fraud and a charlatan!

THE BUNKER: That is startling. Let’s explain a few of those terms. While Hubbard ran Scientology from the yacht Apollo in the early 1970s, the crew was busy with a lot of auditing and training to be auditors. Otto Roos was one of a few auditors who was trained personally by Hubbard to the highest rating, Class XII. He also reached the highest level of spiritual advancement, Operating Thetan Level Eight, when it was released years later. Mary Sue, meanwhile, was not only the wife of Scientology’s founder, who called himself “Commodore,” but she also ran the Guardian’s Office, the notorious spy network of Scientology. But in spite of her high position, she called Hubbard a fraud?

JON: Eventually, Hubbard placated Mary Sue by asking how he could prove to her that Scientology really worked. There wasn’t a moment’s hesitation: Mary Sue had never been “exterior with full perception.”

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There is a portion of a mid sixties BC tape where hubbard says she was doing her hair and she was startled to see dark things flying over her head. It was her hands - she was (as a thetan) he explained, looking out the top of her head. Mimsey


Operating teatime
[He lied.]




stubborn rebel sheep!

he used other familiar tech:

1) He threw her under the bus!

2) disconnected


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Thats one of the weird things, he tried to convince everybody, it seem there wasnt just one person who knew "hey, I am just scamming, but shhhsh"

Or maybe he believed all that crap to some extend, but my theory is that he didnt trusted his own shadow.

If I ever start a cult, my wife will know its all BS. There is no reason to try and make her a dumb follower too. Lol