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byte301

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Skollie, thanks for posting Ida's letter. I'd never read it before. What a great lady.

I hope she is getting some comfort from what is going on now with the CoS. It won't make up for all the lost years of disconnection (which doesn't exist according to tommy) from her son but it's something.
 

skollie

Silver Meritorious Patron
Yes byte301, Ida's story is so heart wrenching. Her son providing the information used at religionfreedomwatch breaks my heart as I'm sure it does hers.

Please tell me of what you refer to. The data of t he body bags was culled by government docs. The assassination of Ryan was a CIA hit. So what data do you have to dispel the above.

As Mick suggested - reading from the people who were there is a great idea.
Maybe the CIA was unhappy with Ryan but accusing them without any evidence is the same as assuming Mary Sue did it, because she wanted him "handled".


Another document shows that a year before Congressman Leo Ryan's murder in Guyana, that Mary Sue Hubbard wanted to 'Handle Ryan.'

http://www.lermanet2.com/idacamburn/handleleo.htm
 

JimJam

Patron with Honors
What is a conspiracy theory? I have never heard a major media piece being referred to a conspiracy theory only news reported by individuals and non main stream media that challenge the facts of an anointed event by the high priest of news givers.. If the main stream media reports an event like 911 its not a conspiracy event but if some challenges the implosion of building 7 then it becomes a conspiracy theory. Jonetown was a hit on Ryan by the CIA because he was not one of their fans. Like the JFK assassination it was called a conspiracy theory when anyone challenged the Warren Comm one bullet theory of Arlen Spector. Even on Hunts death bed confession on tape were he confesses to carrying out the assignation of JFK or Oswall was a trained cia opertive. The words Conspiracy Theory is just a media mind control tech that has been used to inculcated the ignorant into dismissing any data that rejects mainstream media point of view.
Army Medic Jonestown http://scribblguy.50megs.com/jonestown2.htm


I have met many ex-scientologists that cause me to wonder how they could have been sucked-in. They are proof that intelligent people at a certain point in their life are vulnerable to the allure of cults.

You are not one of these people. Ask yourself...how could there be so many infiltrators in Jonestown? Were the shooters who killed Ryan also infiltrators? Why did Jones have practice suicide meetings where followers would drink what they were given? Have you heard the ending tape of Jones, or do you think that is fake as well? I guess Ryan's aid Jackie Speier faked her gunshot wounds too...and supported the lies about Jonestown. And you are basing it on the rantings of Laurie Efrein Kahalas. A person who claimed that she was contacted by an Angelic Presence four years prior to the Jonestown tragedy. A woman who was NEVER IN GUYANA. But you will accept her word above people who were there and survived. And followers who witnessed the downward spiral of Jim Jones' sanity.

Be rational.
 

The Clam

Patron with Honors
Its no secret that government agents infiltrated organizations from the black panthers to the COS under COINTELPRO and the Peoples Temple was no different. The shooters of had no motive to shoot Ryan but the CIA did. The CIA has a wake of deaths from assination, creating wars and assisting Mao to sponsoring Al Qaeda and Bin Larden. Also the CIA was engaged in MKUTRA experiments at the time so its no stretch of the imagination that this could all be just another experiment for the Sick doc at the CIA.


http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJonestown/JonestownReport/Volume7/wise875.htm
The Jonestown Massacre; CIA Mind Control Run Amok
http://impiousdigest.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=214&Itemid=92
 

Zinjifar

Silver Meritorious Sponsor
Its no secret that government agents infiltrated organizations from the black panthers to the COS under COINTELPRO and the Peoples Temple was no different. The shooters of had no motive to shoot Ryan but the CIA did. The CIA has a wake of deaths from assination, creating wars and assisting Mao to sponsoring Al Qaeda and Bin Larden. Also the CIA was engaged in MKUTRA experiments at the time so its no stretch of the imagination that this could all be just another experiment for the Sick doc at the CIA.

All that from an E-meter?

Zinj
 

JimJam

Patron with Honors
Its no secret that government agents infiltrated organizations from the black panthers to the COS under COINTELPRO and the Peoples Temple was no different. The shooters of had no motive to shoot Ryan but the CIA did. The CIA has a wake of deaths from assination, creating wars and assisting Mao to sponsoring Al Qaeda and Bin Larden. Also the CIA was engaged in MKUTRA experiments at the time so its no stretch of the imagination that this could all be just another experiment for the Sick doc at the CIA.


http://jonestown.sdsu.edu/AboutJonestown/JonestownReport/Volume7/wise875.htm
The Jonestown Massacre; CIA Mind Control Run Amok
http://impiousdigest.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=214&Itemid=92

Just because the CIA does bad things does not mean all bad things are caused by the CIA.

There is plenty of evidence that Jim Jones was going bonkers. He certainly created a situation where he was all powerful and this WILL affect most people in a detrimental way. Add drugs and mental issues...and a bad outcome is not surprising at all.
 
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