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Stat

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thank you for the warm welcome to everyone! :)
I will be posting more soon. Meanwhile - great weekend to all!
 

Wisened One

Crusader
:welcome: to ESMB, Stat. Would love to hear some of your stories! Here's a big tub of popcorn for ya.:drama: We all got ours at the ready: :yes: :drama: :drama: :drama:
 
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Gottabrain

Guest
Welcome to ESMB, Stat!

:dance3::party::blowkiss:

What's on your mind that you'd like to discuss?
 

Alanzo

Bardo Tulpa
:omg: don't frighten him/her

I just figure if he's here, he's aboard - on the same terms as the rest of us, win or die in the attempt.

(cue swelling march music here)

ESMB is not some poopy-pants bunch of namby-pamby dilettantes. No, we're the tigers. Because we survive, and even WE have a hard time of it. We're not sitting around crying or picking our noses and wiping them on the person next to us, we're working our guts out to beat Deadline Earth.

(cymbal crash, waving flag)

Oh...

I'm sorry.

Is this the Chemistry Department?
 

shadow

Patron with Honors
I am too, but I would never admit it - even when confronted directly with the boogeratorial evidence.

I require DNA evidence and then just claim the assay was tainted so I still deny, deny, deny....:whistling:


Stat-Welcome. Hopefully there will be stories, popcorn and hot cocoa.
 

Thrak

Gold Meritorious Patron
I require DNA evidence and then just claim the assay was tainted so I still deny, deny, deny....:whistling:


Stat-Welcome. Hopefully there will be stories, popcorn and hot cocoa.

And drinks with little umbrellas.
 

Stat

Gold Meritorious Patron
Nothing can replace a good humor :thumbsup:


Finally, a little bit about myself.

And I am sorry it took me a bit long. Thank you for your patience!

I am going to be somewhat brief at this time, please forgive me for that too.
I have my reasons.

I joined Scn in early 90's, after reading Dn book and deciding to see if the technology described there work and the states can be achieved, sounded
so good, you know.

I attended Dianetics Workshop, few other Life Improvement courses and even though nothing amazing happened, all the information was making sense and was sure giving hope and positive vibe in general.

So I decided to continue on that path and hopefully to go Clear by the end of that year. I got trained as Dianetics Auditor and was co-auditing with my buddy. Shortly, I accepted an offer to join mission staff, got trained as a Supervisor and was working in a course room for the most part.

I also had a brief contact with a Freezone and decided that things were too loosely interpreted/applied, mixed with other schools of though/practices and decided it was not for me.

Few years later, I joined an Org and got trained as a Class V Golden Age Of Tech Auditor. I delivered many Rundowns, Grades and New Era Dianetics to many.

I also got some auditing myself and most of it was rather a positive experience. I am not Clear though (17 or so years later, I know).

(Most ethics interviews and some of the admin shenanigans is a whole different story that most of you all already know or heard about anyway and is just a plain BS.)

I am getting closer and closer to the subject that actually concerns me.

To make long story short - on many occasions when I was audited, I felt emotionally better after wards. So as my pcs after I audited them, but some of them also would get rid of some physical pains, like tooth ache, etc., as a result, which made me happy every time, needless to say.

All that first-hand experience, plus observing some other cases (like some girl getting rid of really bad psoriasis and a friend of mine fully recovering from 3 strokes, etc.) is the main reason I stuck around for that long, even though I am not on staff anymore. My main motivation was always to help others around anyway I can and to be happy myself. That's probably what kept me on staff for so long, despite of sometimes enormous amount of horseshit.

Now, throughout my career I observed some "Clears" and "OT's", both public and staff that had some serious physical and emotional issues that even from my not-Clear perspective/position were some heavy out-points that go against LRH's descriptions of the states mentioned above.

Like illnesses (from cold to cancer and anything in between), yelling in people's faces, humiliating others in public, etc.

I also know some very cool people who reached Clear and OT. I have very warm feelings toward them, some very good people.

However, all these discrepancies, if it's the right word made me question things I have been part of for almost half of my life and that includes Ron.

Are the case gains I produced on myself and others are just a placebo effect (which is still not a bad thing, considering some results/outcome) and the whole thing is a really clever hoax where common sense and some workable tools/ideas were mixed with an amazing sci-fi stuff presented as a next step to achieve in order to trick others into the most brilliantly orchestrated scam in history?

Or is it just some massive out-tech originated by DM or god knows whos, that prevents everyone from getting consistently great results, in terms of spiritual freedom/advancement, super abilities, great health and all that good stuff?

So I am looking at all these factors, still trying to make my mind.
I have seen and heard it all, from extremely negative to extremely positive.

And then there is also me and my own experiences.

I hope I make sense, let me know if you want me to clarify any of the above please.

I will respect any honest opinion/comment, even if critical, but I am especially interested to hear from "tech people" or I guess "Ex-tech people".

Thank you again to every single one of you for giving me a warm welcome here, I really feel the sincerity of it, like you guys knew it's not an easy thing for me to join you here and start talking, which it is not.

I work a lot, but I will try to be here at least once a day for now and will be glad to try to answer every question from everyone and participate otherwise, as I feel like.

With all respect, Stat.
 
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Thrak

Gold Meritorious Patron
A lot of people grapple with these questions. I can only give you my viewpoint after being out a couple of years. From what has been said from many that were around in the early days, there were many people working on "the tech" not just Ron, and some of insightful and some of it can be beneficial.

This aspect however is often considered just the bait for the trap as the claims about scn are totally exaggerated and simply not true. But there had to be some positives for a person to believe the rest was true.

So many have had different reactions to this. Some think they were just hypnotized or was like you said a placebo, some think there is stuff there worth investigating and pursuing, some don't feel like pulling raisons from turds, some think it was a meticulously planned fraud from the beginning. Look it over, in the end your opinion is as good as anybody else's.
 

Stat

Gold Meritorious Patron
Thank you, Thrak! It's a good summary of different viewpoints in the new realm I can relate to. Gives me an idea that I am not alone at this. Peace, brother.
 

HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
---clipped for brevity----

I am not Clear though (17 or so years later, I know).

Are the case gains I produced on myself and others are just a placebo effect (which is still not a bad thing, considering some results/outcome) and the whole thing is a really clever hoax where common sense and some workable tools/ideas were mixed with an amazing sci-fi stuff presented as a next step to achieve in order to trick others into the most brilliantly orchestrated scam in history?

Or is it just some massive out-tech originated by DM or god knows whos, that prevents everyone from getting consistently great results, in terms of spiritual freedom/advancement, super abilities, great health and all that good stuff?

Hey Stat, welcome again!

Looking for answers about ScientologyWorld is crazy cool hobby. Here are a few I have found...

I am not Clear though (17 or so years later, I know).
Don't worry about not attaining the state of Clear. Nobody else did either.

Are the case gains I produced on myself and others are just a placebo effect (which is still not a bad thing, considering some results/outcome) and the whole thing is a really clever hoax where common sense and some workable tools/ideas were mixed with an amazing sci-fi stuff presented as a next step to achieve in order to trick others into the most brilliantly orchestrated scam in history?
No it's not the most brilliantly orchestrated scam in history. But it tried hard to win the Olympic Gold in the Scamming Event. And, yes it is a really clever hoax. But if you are reading this, apparently not clever enough.

Or is it just some massive out-tech originated by DM or god knows whos, that prevents everyone from getting consistently great results, in terms of spiritual freedom/advancement, super abilities, great health and all that good stuff?​
No, it is not some massive out-tech, because there has to be in-tech for that to happen. If there are no Clears and no OT's, there is no tech. This brutal simplicity is the core issue at the center of Scientology and endlessly, defiantly and indignantly argued by people who are not Clear and not OT.
 

Nicole

Silver Meritorious Patron
I will respect any honest opinion/comment, even if critical, but I am especially interested to hear from "tech people" or I guess "Ex-tech people".

I guess you are a really likeable guy. :)

You will hear critic about Hubbard. Because I think that he create an evil thing. The tech especially the auditing does sometimes work because it is based on psychoanalysis (an evil one). During the Auditing can a person be put in a hypnose similar mood. I have researches about it in German. But I think they also exist in English. This mood makes the good feeling after the auditings. But you can also use other psychological technics for the same effect and they are not evil.

Maybe the "Ex - tech people" can give you an answer to your questions.
But I guess the main way you will have to go alone and find the truth for you...:yes:
 

VaD

Gold Meritorious Patron
Stat,
I believe it's important for you now to start digging deep and separating cold hard facts from fictional LRH claims and PR stories.

What I found helpful for myself in the very beginning of my journey into the dark side of $cn (this year, February) was to list out the claims and data I had in my memory (as "stable data") by Hubbard and Church vs. observed verifiable facts and my experiences. I did it for myself. It helped my to unravel and get disentangled from the web of lies and false claims that was interwoven right into the "basic data" of $cn. There are just TOO MANY of them.

I recommend you to verify every significant to you claim or data that pops into your head (from writings and PR) against verifiable facts and data from various sources.
For example: ARE THERE 8-10 millions Scn'sts in the world? IS Scn the fastest growing religion? IS there no disconnection? (Church PR data).
ARE there OTs and Clears per LRH's numerous descriptions? DID LRH actually do research that he spoke about everywhere? WAS LRH the man he claimed to have been before Dn? (LRH's claims)

Stat, you are in for an adventure of discovering much of the stuff that will make you :omg:
:yes:
Enjoy your journey with other ESMBers.

All the best! :thumbsup:
 
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