Mark A. Baker
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Re: Motti ~~ who started the thread
Where else did you think jesus got it?
Mark A. Baker
Way cool!
Where else did you think jesus got it?
Mark A. Baker
Way cool!
1) Intentional or not, the OP is essentially an advertisement for Karen's auditing/cs'ing services, including a "testimonial" (aka "success story," "win") from an unknown source, posted by someone other than the actual originator of the testimonial. ...
What happened to Chesed?
Hey guys....can't we all just hold hands and sing a coupla verses of Kumbaya?
I'm not so familiar with Jewish religious literature. However I'm
part Jewish by blood and through my mothers line. I went to
a UK Grammer school where half the students were Jewish, in London's east end. Very smart people, and many personal friends were and are Jewish.
My main and somewhat scanty knowledge of Judaism sterms from Crowleys commentary from the Kaballah which I see as a root of Scn.
As Mark comments the sayings of Jesus were based on earlier
philosophical statements.
Thanks for connecting some dots for me.
What happened to "turn the other cheek"?
"And what have you got against the sayings of Jesus?" (Said in response to someone noting that Jesus is being used, insincerely, for PR purposes.)
That's even better than, "You against Human Rights?" (Said in response to someone noting that the 'Creed of the Church' was created as companion PR cover for the religion angle.)
You're welcome Terril. You might find the Zohar of interest. Was your mother's mother Jewish? The male side doesn't matter very much.
Actually, I think the OP was a nice story about someone standing up to the abusive system in Scientology and a "30 years on" reconnection.
I'm not sure why we get so much hysteria when someone says ANYTHING positive about ANY aspect of a Scientologist or former Scientologist.
I swear, sometimes we appear less tolerant than the group we oppose.
Thanks, Emma.
I suffered a mild shock reading the vicious attacks on this thread. This thread started as a simple “thank-you” note, and developed into world war 3. Certain people even went so far as to ascribe ulterior motives to the op (me). I will not argue with them. They're free to speculate to their heart's content.
Others fumed at the 'infiltration' of 'positive communication about Scientology or a Scientologist' into the ESMB forum. They asserted that this forum was the exclusive domain of those totally opposed to anything beginning with “Sci” or “Hub”, and people who thought differently should get the hell out of here and post elsewhere.
Still, many others received the original post at face value and acknowledged it for what it was.
When I posted it, I thought it might get 5, 6 replies at the most and be forgotten. I never imagined it would go to 144 replies in such short order and with such seething ferocity.
This got me thinking about the phenomenon I encountered.
People who leave Scientology fall into 3 main categories:
On ESMB we rarely find the first group; We usually find the other two.
- Those who left and just forgot all about it and moved on;
- Those who left the organization but acknowledge the gains they got from the tech;
- Those who became totally antagonistic to the whole subject.
- None of the above.Smilla's comment.
One could speculate on which kind of people fall into which group.
It's probably a matter of the type of personality.
I cannot analyze the first group – it's too diverse. But they seem to have ended cycle on the subject.
The second group has many shades of gray – from complete groupies of the tech to those who found a few useful things there and discarded the rest. They may have an unfinished cycle with the Church, or they may not.
The third group has a raging unfinished cycle with the subject. With some of them it looks as if the pendulum went full swing – from fanatic devotion to fanatic rancor.
Somewhat like falling out of infatuation with a girl and ending up fervently and obsessively hating her for the rest of your days without being able to let go.
Again, it's a matter of the type of personality.
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I feel quite free and entitled to quote the sayings of Jesus.
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You describe the creed as " sordid insincerity", " Phony".
As PR cover for its "religion angle".
That its a bad thing leading others "up the Scientology Bridge."
So you don't subscribe to human rights?
The Creed expresses many points re human rights.
We could assume her that you and human rights are distant.
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Actually, I think the OP was a nice story about someone standing up to the abusive system in Scientology and a "30 years on" reconnection.
I'm not sure why we get so much hysteria when someone says ANYTHING positive about ANY aspect of a Scientologist or former Scientologist.
I swear, sometimes we appear less tolerant than the group we oppose.
An example of that other Axiom, "No good deed goes unpunished".
I think it's very important to anchor onto the times when we were in and we did the right thing regardless of the incredible stress to do otherwise. I'd even go so far to say that much of what we were doing was good stuff. That's what kept us (or at least me) in for so long.
I think ESMB gets a little testy if we focus on the "good" that we were doing while in. The price we paid for the illusion of being part of a good group is hard to ignore, even in the face of a kind and caring act of humanity. I think most of us bounce between the good of Scientology and the bad of Scientology. The interplay between both sides is what keeps many of us interested in this board.
Thanks, Emma.
I suffered a mild shock reading the vicious attacks on this thread. This thread started as a simple “thank-you” note, and developed into world war 3. Certain people even went so far as to ascribe ulterior motives to the op (me). I will not argue with them. They're free to speculate to their heart's content.
Others fumed at the 'infiltration' of 'positive communication about Scientology or a Scientologist' into the ESMB forum. They asserted that this forum was the exclusive domain of those totally opposed to anything beginning with “Sci” or “Hub”, and people who thought differently should get the hell out of here and post elsewhere.
Still, many others received the original post at face value and acknowledged it for what it was.
When I posted it, I thought it might get 5, 6 replies at the most and be forgotten. I never imagined it would go to 144 replies in such short order and with such seething ferocity.
This got me thinking about the phenomenon I encountered.
People who leave Scientology fall into 3 main categories:
On ESMB we rarely find the first group; We usually find the other two.
- Those who left and just forgot all about it and moved on;
- Those who left the organization but acknowledge the gains they got from the tech;
- Those who became totally antagonistic to the whole subject.
One could speculate on which kind of people fall into which group.
It's probably a matter of the type of personality.
I cannot analyze the first group – it's too diverse. But they seem to have ended cycle on the subject.
The second group has many shades of gray – from complete groupies of the tech to those who found a few useful things there and discarded the rest. They may have an unfinished cycle with the Church, or they may not.
The third group has a raging unfinished cycle with the subject. With some of them it looks as if the pendulum went full swing – from fanatic devotion to fanatic rancor.
Somewhat like falling out of infatuation with a girl and ending up fervently and obsessively hating her for the rest of your days without being able to let go.
Again, it's a matter of the type of personality.
I'm not so familiar with Jewish religious literature. However I'm
part Jewish by blood and through my mothers line. I went to
a UK Grammer school where half the students were Jewish, in London's east end. Very smart people, and many personal friends were and are Jewish.
My main and somewhat scanty knowledge of Judaism sterms from Crowleys commentary from the Kaballah which I see as a root of Scn.
As Mark comments the sayings of Jesus were based on earlier
philosophical statements.
Thanks for connecting some dots for me.
Hell, T, did you not know that in its beginning, Christianity was but a weird little cult minority thing of Judaism?
R
I don't know about any "types" or categorisations of folks who post here. I think you may be overgeneralising although I see where you are coming from. All I know is that I oppose the abuses of Scientology, the disconnections, the RPF, the sleep & food deprivation, the loss of liberties, false imprisonment etc. I don't oppose people who don't participate in those activities but merely believe in different things than I do (i.e religious beliefs).
What people believe does not in any way make someone my friend or enemy. What they "do" decides that for me.
And that above, my dear Emms, is the exemplar of a class act lady.
R