Karen de la Carriere YouTube Channel

[Terril park]

Thanks Mimsey.

Feedback is always good. I am not done with Narconon.
Also bear in mind, these videos are shot to get the information out there.
They could always be better, slicker, Have more this, Have more that, etc etc.
I do not have a channel to win awards on perfection. I just want to shoot the data out there. That's all. This is the Scientology world as I see it. I realize others may see things differently​

Where would be be without you?

 

[Karen#1]

Oh come on Terrill.
A huge amount of activists do a huge amount of work.
I am only a teaspoon of water in an Ocean of activity.​

 

[Karen#1]

Here's a Narconon salary document. Nice that Angie Manson made $270,790 in 2012 and that 4 other Narconon staff make over $100,00 a year. How wild that one can bill credit cards fraudulently and still make 6 figures annually ! AT LEAST 10% of monies from Narconon went up the pipeline to Church of Scientology International via ABLE at the Hollywood Guarantee Building.

The crime syndicate makes money by fair means or foul !​

 

[Terril park]

Oh come on Terrill.
A huge amount of activists do a huge amount of work.
I am only a teaspoon of water in an Ocean of activity.​

We would be without a bigger and elegant teaspoon.

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Here's a Narconon salary document. Nice that Angie Manson made $270,790 in 2012 and that 4 other Narconon staff make over $100,00 a year. How wild that one can bill credit cards fraudulently and still make 6 figures annually ! AT LEAST 10% of monies from Narconon went up the pipeline to Church of Scientology International via ABLE at the Hollywood Guarantee Building.

The crime syndicate makes money by fair means or foul !​

These salary docs are great, particularly in graphic form.

But which Narconon org or entity is this for? I don't see any label on the graphic.

 

[Anonycat]

These salary docs are great, particularly in graphic form.

But which Narconon org or entity is this for? I don't see any label on the graphic.

This is in Santa Cruz, California. Daniel Manson, her husband, makes even more than her at Narconon, and at 39 years old, should be happy with a household income of a half million dollars a year. And to think, years before he was stealing from his employer, 7-11 convenience stores.

Daniel Manson is the Executive Director of Narconon Watsonville (aka Narconon of Northern California).

In 1994 he was arrested on charges of felony grand theft from his employer, a 7-11 store in Santa Cruz, and pled guilty to misdemeanor theft..

He later tried to have his criminal plea reversed. (This was after he was described as trying to talk the victim of the Narconon Watsonville rape out of filing legal charges in late 2003). In support of the reversal request, he filed this document.

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Watsonville/Daniel_Manson/

Dox: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Watsonville/Daniel_Manson/MansonCase.pdf

 

[Leland]

This is in Santa Cruz, California. Daniel Manson, her husband, makes even more than her at Narconon, and at 39 years old, should be happy with a household income of a half million dollars a year. And to think, just 10 years before he was stealing from his employer, 7-11 convenience stores.



http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Watsonville/Daniel_Manson/

Dox: http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Stop-Narconon/Watsonville/Daniel_Manson/MansonCase.pdf

Regarding Narconon....are their execs usually Sea Org on extended leave to work at Narconons? Or just where do they come from....Class V orgs?

Just curious....and want to fill in some information blank areas.

 

[Anonycat]

Regarding Narconon....are their execs usually Sea Org on extended leave to work at Narconons? Or just where do they come from....Class V orgs?

Just curious....and want to fill in some information blank areas.

Rehab clients that are recruited into becoming staff. David Love is your in-house expert on this.

 

[Leland]

Rehab clients that are recruited into becoming staff. David Love is your in-house expert on this.

Thanks Anonycat. There must be more to it than that....though.

Since Narconon is a subset of Scientology.....their Execs must take some scientology trainging of some sort.

Plus I use to have an OT 7, Field Auditor and C/S, friend, that use to C/S for Narconon LA.....so they must do some sort of auditing there too.

 

[AnonyMary]

Thanks Anonycat. There must be more to it than that....though.

Since Narconon is a subset of Scientology.....their Execs must take some scientology trainging of some sort.

Plus I use to have an OT 7, Field Auditor and C/S that use to C/S for Narconon LA.....so they must do some sort of auditing there too.

Leland, Narconon Int is a non profit group manned by Sea Org members. It's a separate corp from the facilities.The facilities themselves are run by hand picked staff. Most execs there have been indoctrinated into Scientology and moved along to the org to complete their drug program auditing etc. Some go on to become active scientologists and 'OTs'.

The exceptions to this are the owners of Narconon Gulf Coast, which is actually no longer operating as a Narconon. They are legally in existence at this time because they are dealing with multiple lawsuits. But the owners Randy and Debbie Ross are not and to my knowledge have never been scientologists. If they were, they are not any longer. Others like Luke Catton and Eric Tenorio can elaborate more on this. Additionally, when Per Wickstrom ran NArc9onon Stone Hawk with his then wife Kathleen Wickstrom, she was not a scientologist and she actually sued Per and Narconon Int for finagling things to try and get her out without her getting her share of monies owed by Per and their companies per their divorce. There may have ben other non-scientologists who ran facilities or were in upper management of them but generally the cult wants the facility execs to become scientologists and they recruit them via other scientologist execs or personnel, to go to nearest org or Flag. Both Eric and Luke have written and spoken up about their experiences of being lured in to scientology. As far as Sea Org recruitment, I'm sure it happens from facility organizations but they try for those already indoctrinated into becoming scientologists, those with completions of services.

Narconon has it's own training courses for every position. They are same as scientology in practice but with different letterhead ( not called HCOBs or HCOPLs ). You can look at the program books that ';students' of the program must do in order to graduate the program and youcan see titles for the most part are same or varied to reflect a similar name to the scientology equivalent. If you go to my post in this thread, one can see each booklet by title online or in pdf format.
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,9728.0.html

Narconon is scientology. It is the Bridge to the Bridge.

Most of Narconon Int Sea Org recruits are brought there via ABLE or the field recruiters at church orgs. It apears that the church wants clean execs at NN Int, not former drug addicts as exec up the line.

Hope this answers your question.

 

[Leland]

Leland, Narconon Int is a non profit group manned by Sea Org members. It's a separate corp from the facilities.The facilities themselves are run by hand picked staff. Most execs there have been indoctrinated into Scientology and moved along to the org to complete their drug program auditing etc. Some go on to become active scientologists and 'OTs'.

The exceptions to this are the owners of Narconon Gulf Coast, which is actually no longer operating as a Narconon. They are legally in existence at this time because they are dealing with multiple lawsuits. But the owners Randy and Debbie Ross are not and to my knowledge have never been scientologists. If they were, they are not any longer. Others like Luke Catton and Eric Tenorio can elaborate more on this. Additionally, when Per Wickstrom ran NArc9onon Stone Hawk with his then wife Kathleen Wickstrom, she was not a scientologist and she actually sued Per and Narconon Int for finagling things to try and get her out without her getting her share of monies owed by Per and their companies per their divorce. There may have ben other non-scientologists who ran facilities or were in upper management of them but generally the cult wants the facility execs to become scientologists and they recruit them via other scientologist execs or personnel, to go to nearest org or Flag. Both Eric and Luke have written and spoken up about their experiences of being lured in to scientology. As far as Sea Org recruitment, I'm sure it happens from facility organizations but they try for those already indoctrinated into becoming scientologists, those with completions of services.

Narconon has it's own training courses for every position. They are same as scientology in practice but with different letterhead ( not called HCOBs or HCOPLs ). You can look at the program books that ';students' of the program must do in order to graduate the program and youcan see titles for the most part are same or varied to reflect a similar name to the scientology equivalent. If you go to my post in this thread, one can see each booklet by title online or in pdf format.
http://forum.reachingforthetippingpoint.net/index.php/topic,9728.0.html

Narconon is scientology. It is the Bridge to the Bridge.

Most of Narconon Int Sea Org recruits are brought there via ABLE or the field recruiters at church orgs. It apears that the church wants clean execs at NN Int, not former drug addicts as exec up the line.

Hope this answers your question.

Thanks so much, Yes it does. But one more question. Do Narconons send monies up lines? Do they have a sort of FBO on staff? Rather technical I know....but again just curious. They must send monies there or perhaps to ABLE....and from there on up lines? There must be some sort of licensing fees also...paid to ABLE or some C of S entity?

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Narconon Int is a non profit group manned by Sea Org members.

Narconon Int is not manned by Sea Org members. ABLE, which controls Narconon, Criminon Applied Scholastics, and The Way To Happiness, is manned by Sea Org members. Narconon Int. itself is not.

ABLE = Association for Better Living and Education.

 

[Leland]

Narconon Int is not manned by Sea Org members. ABLE, which controls Narconon, Criminon Applied Scholastics, and The Way To Happiness, is manned by Sea Org members. Narconon Int. itself is not.

ABLE = Association for Better Living and Education.

Thanks CommunicatorIC. I can't imagine the SO....or ABLE....allowing any joe shmoe to earn 100k per year. Nor allow any joe or jill to be an ED of a Narconon... There must be some line there....some track record....some connection.....some control mechanism in place....that ABLE understands that they "control" this or that Narconon...and run it from above?

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Thanks CommunicatorIC. I can't imagine the SO....or ABLE....allowing any joe shmoe to earn 100k per year. Nor allow any joe or jill to be an ED of a Narconon... There must be some line there....some track record....some connection.....some control mechanism in place....that ABLE understands that they "control" this or that Narconon...and run it from above?

Legally and in the end, the control of the Church of Scientology over the ABLE social betterment groups (i.e., Narconon, Crimminon, Applied Scholastics, The Way To Happiness) is through the license of Hubbard's intellectual property -- e.g., copyrights, trademarks, service marks -- that make up the "Tech." If push came to shove, the COS, or more specifically RTC, could revoke such license agreements and the particular group would be out of business.

 

[Leland]

Legally and in the end, the control of the Church of Scientology over the ABLE social betterment groups (i.e., Narconon, Crimminon, Applied Scholastics, The Way To Happiness) is through the license of Hubbard's intellectual property -- e.g., copyrights, trademarks, service marks -- that make up the "Tech." If push came to shove, the COS, or more specifically RTC, could revoke such license agreements and the particular group would be out of business.

Thanks again. I'm just trying to "follow the money." Knowing the C of S.....that is what their attention is on. Narconon is getting paid by parents.....and billing Insurance Companies. That money is going somewhere.

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Thanks again. I'm just trying to "follow the money." Knowing the C of S.....that is what their attention is on. Narconon is getting paid by parents.....and billing Insurance Companies. That money is going somewhere.

My best guess is that in the Narconon / Crimminon / Applied Scholastics / The Way to Happiness => ABLE scenario, the money that is sent "uplines" is at least ostensibly for licensing fees for the use of the intellectual property.

 

[Karen#1]

Just like the Mafia "La Cosa Nostra" get their "cut" .
If you sell fish in the fishmarket, the Mafia get their %
If you are building a skyscraper in Manhatten, the % of the bricks, the contracts
and so on go the Mafia.,
If you are a humble mom and pop store, you pay for *safety* on that block.
So it is with the "Church". They want their cut and % from every *business* (WISE business)
every psychiatric victim rescued "CCHR donations", every bundle of TWTH sold "licensing fees"
The thuggery for not paying is swift and fearless.
How cool is it that HBO that made the Sopranos will make a 2 hour documentary on the CULT ?
From one Crime Syndicate to another.....


​

 

[AnonyMary]

Narconon Int is not manned by Sea Org members. ABLE, which controls Narconon, Criminon Applied Scholastics, and The Way To Happiness, is manned by Sea Org members. Narconon Int. itself is not.

ABLE = Association for Better Living and Education.

Narconon int staff are like the Narconon course books : same thing, different cover.

All of Narconon International's board of directors except Clark Carr are Sea Org. He may also be in SO by now but he's been getting a salary all along as President but like the other Sea Org board members, he's gotten zero pay from Narconon as a director.

Board members receive no pay from Narconon Int but they serve as board members. Here is their 2012 990 tax form report of officers:

Below are the 2012 names, hours worked position ( Individual Board member, Officer or both or other )

Section A. Officers , Directors , Trustees , Key Employees , and Highest Compensated Employees
1a Complete this table for all persons required to be listed Report compensation for the calendar year ending with or within the organization's tax year
• List all of the organization' s current officers, directors, trustees (whether individuals or organizations), regardless of amount of
compensation Enter -0- in columns (D), (E), and (F) if no compensation was paid..


Name
(1) Clark Carr
40.00
President/Director 0.00 X X 74,921.00 Individual Board member and Officer

(2)Diana Petit
40.00
Trustee 0.00 X 16,436.00 Individual Board member

(3)Laurie Zurn
1.00
Trustee 0.00 X 0 0 0 Individual Board member

(4) Chelsea Zwan
1.00
Director 0.00 X 0 0 0 Individual Board member

(s)Patricia Schwartz
1.00
Director 0.00 X 0 0 0 Individual Board member

(6)Leslie Browning
1.00
Trustee 0.00 X 0 0 0 Individual Board member

(7) Phil Hart
40.00
Executive Director 0.00 X 79,573.00 Officer

(8)Claudia Arcabas io
40.00
Secretary 0.00 X 63,651.00 Officer

(9) Peter Van Auken
40.00
Treasurer 0.00 X 49,873.00 Officer
http://dynamodata.fdncenter.org/990s/990search/990.php?ein=952769582&yr=201212&rt=990&t9=A

Scientology's Concentration Camp for Its Executives: The Prisoners, Past and Present
By Tony Ortega Thu., Aug. 2 2012 at 7:00 AM

Prisoners of the Hole

Laurie Zurn D/ED ABLE Int -- "Spent her whole career working in ABLE (Association for Better Living and Education) and SOCO before that (Social Betterment Corporation -- part of the old Guardian's Office). Have no idea what she was doing at Int as she never worked there while I was there. She was in ABLE Int in LA as the second in command (D/Executive Director ABLE International). When I was the WDC ABLE, I once sat in an all-day meeting with Laurie, Simon Hogarth (the ED ABLE Int at the time), the DSA ABLE Int, Lyman Spurlock (Corporate Coordinator CSI) and two church attorneys (Monique Yingling and Tim Bowles). Legally, the ABLE sector was not supposed to be sending money into the Sea Org reserve accounts, but it was, and the tax attorneys were trying to figure out a solution. I had made a proposal on how to organize the sector based on the attorney's advice, which would have meant that the funds that had been going to Int Reserves would get rerouted to the social betterment programs themselves, instead. This didn't fly with Miscavige, who said that it's up to legal to find a way to set things up the way we (church management) want it, not the other way around. My proposal was therefore rejected and I was removed from post, restricted to the property and once again assigned to berthing out by the swamp. "

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/08/scientology_concentration_camp_the_hole.php

 

[lotus]

Karen,

How about if $cn brings in mafioso (whale)

and

comes the time the godfather's cousin is

real real angry!

 

[CommunicatorIC]

All of Narconon International's board of directors except Clark Carr are Sea Org. He may also be in SO by now but he's been getting a salary all along as President but like the other Sea Org board members, he's gotten zero pay from Narconon as a director.

You are right of course. And that is another form of control. It is not like any SO member who is on the Board of Directors is going to vote against the instructions of RTC or DM. I was thinking of the employees and staff members of Narconon Int. They are not Sea Org. In contrast, the employees and staff members of ABLE are Sea Org.