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Karen de le Carriere emails 10,000 Scientologists regarding the death of her son

Discussion in 'Fair Game and Disconnection Victims' started by Emma, Jul 9, 2012.

  1. OperatingSP

    OperatingSP Patron with Honors

    Radar Online: Mystery Surrounds Death Of Alexander Jentzsch

    Radar Online: Mystery Surrounds Death Of Alexander Jentzsch, Son Of Scientology President, Toxicology Results Pending

  2. Auditor's Toad

    Auditor's Toad Clear as Mud

    My heart so goes out to Karen.

    Heber has no way to find out his son is deceased. He may die not knowing.

    And I keep getting more and more ashamed of having been in that cult. Like everyone else I've seen some mean crazy shit, but, for me, this one hit a new all time low.

    I so want organized $cientology gone from earth,
  3. Re: Radar Online: Mystery Surrounds Death Of Alexander Jentzsch

    "Jentzsch's autopsy was done last week. There was nothing abnormal about it and his body didn't show any signs of trauma," Los Angeles County Assistant Chief Coroner Ed Winter told exclusively. "The cause of death will be listed for the time being deferred, until the toxicology results are in, which should be about four to six weeks from now. There was also a bottle of Nyquil and several prescription bottles recovered from the scene."

    I hoped they fingerprinted the prescription bottles.

    If there are other's fingerprints on them that needs to be investigated and if there are no fingerprints on the bottle then the last person who used it wiped it clean of fingerprints.

    Just saying...

    The Anabaptist Jacques
  4. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Heber Jentsch should not have been allowed to become a Father as he is clearly still but a child himself.


  5. HelluvaHoax!

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    Then who shall emerge as next cult-killing woman of courage?

    PAULETTE. . .

    TORY. . .

    HANA. . .

    EMMA. . .

    JENNA. . .

    LISA MARIE. . .

    DEBBIE. . .

    KAREN. . .

    SHELLY. . .
  6. supafreak

    supafreak Patron Meritorious

    Ted Turner founded CNN and his media company owns it.
  7. Illegal Alien

    Illegal Alien Patron with Honors

    I don't even know where to begin with this :angry:

    How is all of this even possible?

    It is time that the FBI, CIA, Governments who ever knocks on the door, maybe no knocks but a full raid.

    Who is the church to deny those family rights.

    That is the utmost chilling side of disconnection.

    I am probably just ranting on here but I think no matter how bad scientology tech is and their fake promises the mind can recover and you can get back on your feet and move on with your life with the help of others.


    Disconnection does not allow you to move on. Every day you think about it. You see kids on the street and are reminded, christmas and birthdays remind you.
    I can not imagine being notified of the death of my own child via somebody else because of disconnection.
    Or finding out they were in stress and need help but that was kept from me.

    What about all those cries or screams for help that are never heard because of that f..king policy.:angry:

    Sorry I may have gone off topic here.................i'm pissed:angry:
  8. Freeminds

    Freeminds Bitter defrocked apostate

    Re: Radar Online: Mystery Surrounds Death Of Alexander Jentzsch

    Long-time Scientology watchers are wondering how long it'll be before we learn that every Scientologist mentioned in this sad tale has been "posted overseas", and is no longer available for questioning. They did it with the Lisa McPherson case.
  9. HelluvaHoax!

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    Thanks for that Smurf!

    The Scientologists claimed they are not 'deleting' Karen's e-mail, they are reaching EP and 'erasing' it.

    Reminder to self: If I start a cult, do not allow Smurf to get all pissed off and start spreading the truth around.
  10. Wants2Talk

    Wants2Talk Silver Meritorious Patron

  11. HelluvaHoax!

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    If it were only that simple!

    If Heber was suddenly freed he would likely file a criminal complaint against his liberators for kidnapping.

    I wonder if there is some guardianship or custodial law where a Scientologist can be sentenced to court-ordered therapy that consists of having to M9 and clay demo all the ex-scientologists' books as well as star-rate every thread on ESMB?
  12. HelluvaHoax!

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    My God, you're right. Thanks!

    The original thought that prompted that post was to put Karen and Katie on the list. I got lost in remembering all the previous valiant freedom fighters and forget...

    Let me try again.


    Then who shall emerge as the next cult-killing woman of courage?

    PAULETTE. . .

    TORY. . .

    HANA. . .

    EMMA. . .

    JENNA. . .

    LISA MARIE. . .

    DEBBIE. . .

    KATIE. . .

    KAREN. . .

    SHELLY. . .
  13. Sierra_Sage

    Sierra_Sage Patron

    This is true in Haudenosaunee tribes. Aka, Iroquois Nation. I am part Hauden. Women can also demote a male tribal leader that is unfit. I am not sure how many other Native American tribes are matriarchal.
  14. jenni with an eye

    jenni with an eye Silver Meritorious Patron

    Thanks Emma for posting this.

    A big :thankyou: to Karen for writing it. Brilliant. :clapping:

    Sometimes the end result of the disconnection policy really needs to be spelt out. :sad:

    For Karen :bighug:

  15. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    I feel the same:

    Thank you Emma for posting this. I had not read it. :thankyou:

    Karen......fantastic!!! :woohoo: Super *hot*! You nailed it sooo well,
    this shall be another communication, like the Debbie Cook write up,
    that goes on, and on and on.

    To you, and ALL :bighug:

  16. Magoo

    Magoo Gold Meritorious Patron

    What an honor to be a part of such a list
    of freedom fighters. Already a few more come to mind, and no
    doubt there are hundreds more. Tonight both Astra Woodcraft
    and Nancy Many were on CNN. Both have been quite public
    and helped many because of that, too. Amy, Ladybird ....and.....I know
    there are tons more. Let's keep on adding um. :hug: to you ALL.

    PS: There are also *many* amazing woman who have helped on
    this for many years...who don't want to be named, but they know
    who they are, and they know ALL they have done. :cheers: <<<to you all.
  17. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    If that's a chronological list, shouldn't it include Sara Northup? L. Ron Hubbard's "erased" 2nd wife, and mother of his "erased" red headed daughter and third child, Alexis?

    Letter from Sara Northup to Paulette Cooper:

    Mar 20, 1972

    Dear Paulette,

    Thank you for sending the photostat of the column concerning Ron.

    I really think he is a terribly destructive man - and mad as a hatter.

    Last fall a couple of men came here to my home on Maui (Hawaii). They looked like undertakers' assistants. They were very pale - wore cheap black suits, white shirts, dark ties.

    They told me they were "agents", but they wouldn't tell me what, or who, they were agents for. They wouldn't show me any identification. They had a long list of personal questions to ask me and they had a "warning" to give me. They told me that people posing as reporters might try to get me to talk about Ron but I would be in trouble if I said anything at all to them.

    They wanted to come in the house but I wouldn't let them. I told them I wouldn't speak with them unless they came with identification. They said they'd "check with headquarters and be back this evening". I never saw them again.

    My older daughter [Alexis Valerie] (who is Ron's daughter) was home over the holidays. When she arrived back at college there was a man who had been waiting for her in the local inn. He had been there 3 or 4 days.

    She asked him to come to her Dorm to talk with him. He told her he was Ron's agent. He had several typewritten pages of "statements" to read her. It had obviously been written by Ron.

    It said to her that she was illegitimate - that I was a "street-walker" he had hired as a combination housekeeper-secretary. He said that he fired me and that I came back to his doorstep "destitute and pregnant" and that out of his great heart he had taken me in to see me "through my trouble".

    He said that when Alexy was a "Toddler" she was a cute little thing so he took her and a cat, "Motor Boat", along on his wanderings "as pets" for 2 years.

    [Alexy was 15 months old when we were divorced]

    He also said that during World War II I was a Nazi spy. (He used to tell people that I was a Communist spy who received orders from Moscow by telepathic control). I don't know why he had me change sides.

    He said that I had been "used by those in control to discredit Mr. Hubbard." He said he forgave me but it made him very sad.

    The paper was signed, "Your good friend, J. Edgar Hoover". The agent told Alexy he was an F.B.I. agent. He would not allow her to inspect it - would only read it to her. At the end he asked her if she had any questions.

    She was both angry and shocked that Ron could do such a thing. She told him - "the agent" - it was self-explanatory and asked him to leave. She has had a feeling that her father was a rather romantic figure. These paranoid ravings were frightening to her. She had not realized how sick he was before this incident.

    I was furious that he would try to hurt Alexy...

    I hope that when you win your court case, as you must, that you collect court costs and reparations.

    His sickness is not just destructive, it is also contagious. I hate to think how many weak people have been harmed by this man.

    The day of my divorce from Ron was like a day of rebirth for me. I feel that Alexy and I escaped from a death-in-life situation.

    I am really afraid of him. He has such control over his people - and so many of them - that even from England he could do something to hurt Alexy. You have no idea the lengths to which he can go (or, maybe you do?).

    These visits from his "agents" are just warnings. The two who came to see me told me as much. It is really frightening not knowing what he might do next...

    I'm sorry that I never met you. Please do write and tell me what happens with your case. Ron has the advantage of money - but you have rationality on your side. Surely that must be more important.

    Nine months later, the bomb threat frame-up of Paulette Cooper was initiated.

    "Hubbard hated Paulette Cooper and he wanted her destroyed."

    Nancy Many.
  18. HelluvaHoax!

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    Absolutely! Thank you for reminding us all.


    Then who shall emerge as next cult-killing woman of courage?

    SARA. . .

    PAULETTE. . .

    TORY. . .

    HANA. . .

    EMMA. . .

    JENNA. . .

    ASTRA. . .

    AMY. . .

    NANCY. . .

    LISA MARIE. . .

    DEBBIE. . .

    KATIE. . .

    KAREN. . .

    SHELLY. . .

  19. HelluvaHoax!

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    Yes my cool Magoo, you are so right. I added them...
  20. secretiveoldfag

    secretiveoldfag Silver Meritorious Patron

    A question about these 10,000 Scientologists.

    Twice now someone with a serious complaint against CoS has sent out 10,000 emails and caused a lot of grief at the far end.

    I just wondered. Are they using the same list? Whose list is it? Who controls the list?

    I'm not wanting answers but why stop at two emails?

    This is evidently a very effective way of bringing facts to the attention of the last 10,000 of the faithful, and with luck into their heads. Unless of course they delete the emails unread but you can't help that.