Karen's list of class 12's

[Ted]

My recollection of the HRD was that it was a bright spot in all the muck and mission network turmoil. I also thought it was Mayo's creation.

I did the HRD and liked it. Later, of course, it was demonized along with Mayo.

The HRD was very popular and later demonized then dropped because staffs started to wake up. This gave management a hard time holding onto what had become routine production.

It was no longer acceptable to let your teeth rot while you got your stats up.

It was no longer acceptable to forgo study time in favor of getting the stats up.

It was no longer acceptable to ignore your parents.

The blind eye to child abuse in the SO woke up.

It was no longer acceptable to receive management abuses knowing that you are a person of good will.

I can go on but will end this note with my all-encompassing favorite: Seek to Live with the Truth.

 

[JustSheila]

If a tree fell in the forest and nobody heard it, would it make a sound?

It seemed like a very profound question when I was a callow youth, but these days it doesn't seem to have that quality. The air molecules excited by the tree falling behave in the same way whether there is anybody there to perceive them or not. Stick an eardrum in the vicinity and these vibrations will be interpreted by the ear/brain as 'sound'.

So I agree with Gizmo. The answer is no.

EDIT: Of course, this begs the question of whether there are any air molecules in the forest if there is nobody there to perceive them, but I'm just not going there, it all gets far too esoteric for my tiny mind.

Cool! You remember it. Yeh, Philosophy 101.

My class was asked that on the first day and came up with an answer similar to yours in the first 20 seconds or so, thinking 'omg, this is the dumbest class ever'... and similar. The clock ticked and the teacher waited. And waited. For what seemed like an interminable time, boy was that uncomfortable. She wanted a different answer. Someone asked if we could just get onto something more interesting? She waited again. Finally someone came up with a more imaginative answer.

And then we were on a roll.

It was cool to start with the best answer, the logical, rational one and know that everyone accepted it before moving on, though. Great classmates. Well grounded. We had to add 'if...then' to have fun with that, like:

IF humans couldn't hear but some animals did, would we ever fully understand or accept that they heard a sound? Stuff like that.

Halfway through the class, it occurred to me why we were asked that question in the first place. It was a mental exercise, a way to stretch our brains to think outside the box. Good one, too, considering all the wildly different philosophies that came afterward.

Vaguely related random thoughts - did you know that traditional Japanese paintings do not use perspective/dimension? The concept wasn't ever known/used/incorporated in their art. Probably never crossed their minds. They not only drew 'within the box', heck, their box was only a visual, 2-dimensional square, not even a cube!

Not less than ten years ago, scientists insisted no animal could actually dance to a beat. Now, due to YouTube, they admit that parrots and elephants can and do actually dance and hear and understand beat and rhythm. Birds, as wind creatures with hollow bones, may very well understand sound and music in a far more personal and complete sensory way than we ever could.

Out of the box doesn't always mean impossible.

Understanding the ideas here or questioning the ideas here. Through experiences, experimentation, spiritual awakenings some people here are sure of the answers. So sure of the answers they will impart their knowledge to anyone they can raise to the capability of understanding. They can give them exercises to experience greater awareness of our being that are necessary to go beyond any fixed ideas. It all looks good on paper/threads but their awareness of experienced gained knowledge fixed ideas of what the very thing they are trying to pass on to others , that are a waste of time to discuss because thinking and discussing will lead to fixed ideas, is. Their answers are the valid answers to awareness and that is they very thing that makes them necessary for the spiritual growth of others. They are not here to learn, they already have learned, they are here to teach. Why is it that we have to learn for ourselves and yet others need to learn from us?

 

[Veda]

The HRD was very popular and later demonized then dropped because staffs started to wake up. This gave management a hard time holding onto what had become routine production.

It was no longer acceptable to let your teeth rot while you got your stats up.

It was no longer acceptable to forgo study time in favor of getting the stats up.

It was no longer acceptable to ignore your parents.

The blind eye to child abuse in the SO woke up.

It was no longer acceptable to receive management abuses knowing that you are a person of good will.

I can go on but will end this note with my all-encompassing favorite: Seek to Live with the Truth.

The 'Way to Happiness' booklet was a ("wog") public relations "particle" that was, on the initiative of David Mayo, used as the basis for a (Scientologist) tech action. Since it was "from Ron," and new, it was considered an "exploitable" item, i.e., a source of income for Scientology - and increased income was something which would please Ron Hubbard.

So, by way of Mayo, it became a "Rundown."

TWTH appeared shortly after the disastrous revelations, in the media, made possible by the release, by federal court order, of thousands of pages of criminal evidence, evidence that placed L. Ron Hubbard and Scientology in a very bad light.

Hubbard, in response, and to "handle," made himself the expert on "morality," so the "wogs" could see how "moral" he was - in a subtle way: His name appeared in tiny print at the back of the booklet.

Hubbard's "common sense moral code" has its own weirdnesses, if one reads it closely, such gems as "A 'feeling of guilt' is no where near as sharp as a knife in the back or ground glass in the soup."

And even while still favorably inclined towards Scientology - long long ago - I never wanted to open wide my mind to anyone's "moral code," including the hokey 'Way to Happiness'. When it became a "Rundown," I, politely, abstained.

As for you guys' argument about a hypothetical timeless, spaceless, monad - unmoved mover, Hubbard's "Static," etc., and the apparent occurrence of OOBE (Out of Body Experience), these are two different categories of metaphysical/psychical fuzziness.

Add to that Hubbard's "Be three feet back of your head" and a bus load of Scientologists who are convinced they're "exterior" - even though they've never had (that they can recall) an "OOBE," and being "exterior," for them, is nothing more than a vague notion, motivated by a desire to be regarded as an "up tone" (and "upstat") being on whom the "tech" always "works," etc. - and the silliness can be seemingly endless.

I'm not following this thread beyond reading a few posts, but has anyone posted a link to the actual Ls? That would be helpful for those curious. It's pretty weird stuff that flowed out of Hubbard before he started having health issues and was forced to curtail his amphetamine (and other physically stressful psychoactive substance) consumption. (Production of "new tech" decreased drastically at that point, and was mostly recycled old stuff by way of "tech aides.") Hubbard no longer had a means of 'rising above the bank."

The promo for the Ls these days is similar to what it was decades ago during the initial release of the Ls.

I can recall people coming back from the mysterious "Flagship" ("the safest and sanest place on Earth") and they were inevitably either purple faced fanatics prone to screaming fits, or pale, nervous and twitchy.

The purple faced ones were usually recently graduates of the Class 8 course, or some other training regimen on the Flagship, and the pale, twitchy, ones were usually rich pcs who had visited the Flagship to receive one or more Ls - usually L10. All the public and staff (at their lower placement on the Hubbard Chart of Awareness Characteristics) would assume that - having received L10 - the rich pc must be "exterior with full perception and able to maintain it," just as "Ron" and the promo said, but, of course, they weren't, and it functioned as a gigantic "withhold" for the hapless L10 competition.

 

[Leon-2]

HEY! You never answered my question from way long ago. How much money are you still making off this scam?

I don't make any money out of any scam. Never have.

 

[strativarius]

<snip>
The promo for the Ls these days is similar to what it was decades ago during the initial release of the Ls.

If you ask me, the promo for the L's was pretty much the same as the promo for everything since DMSMH; wild claims of being able to make a person capable of almost superhuman powers and abilities, or, failing that, promo for a new proceedure to address why no one attained the abilities one was supposed to have gained as promised in the previous promo.

I can recall people coming back from the mysterious "Flagship" ("the safest and sanest place on Earth") and they were inevitably either purple faced fanatics prone to screaming fits, or pale, nervous and twitchy.

Yes, I remember very well the demeanor of several people who went from London Org to flag and returned looking pretty well shell-shocked, the very opposite of how I imagined they would appear after being in such an 'upstat' environment with all these OT's flying about making it all go right.

 

[uncover]

.....
I'm not following this thread beyond reading a few posts, but has anyone posted a link to the actual L's? That would be helpful for those curious.
.....

Of course - already on page 3 of this thread. Here you can download everything available about the L's - for free:

So you want more...... ok.... here you go:

1.) Follow this link:
https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology_collected_Operating_Thetan_documents

2.) When you arrive there you will find at the bottom of the page a line:

Download

File | Torrent | Magnet

3.) Click on "File" and download the PDF-file (17MB)

4.) After downloading you will find on your harddisk a file with the name: "scientology-ot-levels.pdf"

5.) Open this file with a PDF-reader and - oh wonder - from page 529 on you will find everything about the "sacred" L's no one wants to talk about. Of course you will find in this file other Hubbard-vomit like "dormant BT´s with misunderstood words" too.

Enjoy.

 

[Gizmo]

<snip>

Out of the box doesn't always mean impossible.​

And, I'd suggest real life begins outside the box & the longer one stays there the better life becomes.

 

[Gib]

The current Ls auditors are milked like they are some cows in a machine operated farm. milked morning to night, no day off, no annual leave, mostly all in their 70s age wise, a complete statistic and nothing else. They are in sorry shape. The human being is nothing but a stat producing well done auditing hour METRIC and nothing else.

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If one listens to the tape except, about 50 seconds into it, Hubbard saying a person doing the same job lifetime after lifetime, (ie billion year contract, LOL at a billion year contract, when also Ron, at his last moments, told Sarge he wasn't coming back, somebody ought to send Ron a freeloader debt bill, LOL, or at least a condition of Treason, LOL).

On Arslycus, is the story, LOL

from Tony O blog: http://tonyortega.org/2016/05/16/di...dmitted-about-scientology-in-1952/#more-30998

Hubbard telling us actually what he was doing to us, slave labor. About 50 seconds into it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsshJH5ToUE

Ron's metaphysical bullshit at a extreme. Fuck You Ron.

 

[Gib]

Karen, as a Class XII your expert testimony about that is priceless!

There is a terrific thread on this called: The L12 E/P of "stably exterior with full perception" - can the Indies promise that? Here's the LINK.


Cross-Posted from that thread:

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ORIGINAL SCRIPTURE: When I was C/Sing the Ls I would never let a pre-OT leave the ship unless he'd gone exterior with full perception and was able to maintain it.

TRANSLATION: When I was C/Sing the Ls I would never let a pre-OT leave the ship unless the psychological and financial overwhelm was sufficient to make the pre-OT either delusional and/or willing to lie in order to escape.

Now that I think about it,

even if one could go exterior with full perception, and let's say it's possible.

What does it matter? I mean, so what. What does it accomplish for a person?

So they can go exterior, or have a out of body experience? Is it worth $500,000 dollars to do so.

Oh yah, I know some responses might be remote viewing, and if so, then you are now fodder for the government. LOL

Aren't all our comic book super heroes fodder for the government and the psych's? LOL,

Ron the writer, rhetoric that is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyNFY1R-d8w

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Now that I think about it,

even if one could go exterior with full perception, and let's say it's possible.

What does it matter? I mean, so what. What does it accomplish for a person?

So they can go exterior, or have a out of body experience? Is it worth $500,000 dollars to do so.

Oh yah, I know some responses might be remote viewing, and if so, then you are now fodder for the government. LOL

Aren't all our comic book super heroes fodder for the government and the psych's? LOL,

Ron the writer, rhetoric that is.

The answer to the question "What does it matter?" is, it gives you sanity. I had a past life recall when I was in HS, before I heard of scientology, before I heard of past lives, karma, reincarnation. I recalled ice skating on a fjord or canal in the Netherlands in like the 1600's. I had a simple thought. "Oh. I have lived before." I knew it would be all right. It being life. My life.

That's why it's important. That's why it matters. Because, it's not something you know intellectually. Or read about and seems right. It's real to you that you will survive, no matter what happens to you and it will be all right.

Lets talk about perceptions, full or otherwise. It's like describing the color red. There are many variations - once I went out and it was fuzzy green. Once I went out and city busses looked like match box toy cars. Once I ping ponged in and out, and everything was bright and colorful, and the air blowing in the open window, over the radiator was dancing with snow. Once I went out and was looking through my flesh at my bones and they were a phosphorescent grey. Once my wife went out when she was a teenager, and there was nothing - no time no space just her being there.

Who really knows what the phrase "full perceptions" means anyway? You perceive what you perceive.



Mimsey

 

[Gib]

The answer to the question "What does it matter?" is, it gives you sanity. I had a past life recall when I was in HS, before I heard of scientology, before I heard of past lives, karma, reincarnation. I recalled ice skating on a fjord or canal in the Netherlands in like the 1600's. I had a simple thought. "Oh. I have lived before." I knew it would be all right. It being life. My life.

That's why it's important. That's why it matters. Because, it's not something you know intellectually. Or read about and seems right. It's real to you that you will survive, no matter what happens to you and it will be all right.

Lets talk about perceptions, full or otherwise. It's like describing the color red. There are many variations - once I went out and it was fuzzy green. Once I went out and city busses looked like match box toy cars. Once I ping ponged in and out, and everything was bright and colorful, and the air blowing in the open window, over the radiator was dancing with snow. Once I went out and was looking through my flesh at my bones and they were a phosphorescent grey. Once my wife went out when she was a teenager, and there was nothing - no time no space just her being there.

Who really knows what the phrase "full perceptions" means anyway? You perceive what you perceive.



Mimsey

You somehow equated going exterior with past life. hmmm.

I was talking about scientology and hubbard claiming we could go exterior from the body, and what does it matter. and if it does matter, why it costs lot's of money to achieve such a thing, and why does it matter? But it doesn't happen anyways, much ado about nothing. But it is much ado about money. LOL

 

[uncover]

Now that I think about it,
even if one could go exterior with full perception, and let's say it's possible.

What does it matter?

The answer to the question "What does it matter?" is, it gives you sanity. I had a.....

So do you want to say, that you have been insane before and now you are sane ? Can you prove this claim ?

I mean, I have no experience with that - I have never been insane, therefore I didn't/don't need/have-desire to "go exterior with full perception".

 

[Boojuum]

I'm delighted to see the Class XII list posted.

Back in the day, CLXII's were like gods. We thought XII's knew everything and could practically walk on water.

Scientology was big on hierarchies.

I would have loved to see this same list in 1980, 1990, 2000, 2010, and 2016.

I maintain that the COS is terrible at training auditors/counselors and anyone who could make it through to the XII should be granted sainthood status.

It didn't make sense that anyone who walked on water COULD get declared.

Wouldn't it be great to see all of the old XII's in one place and share experiences?

But the Church of Scientology is creepy and weird and threatening and litigious and they will picket your neighbors and post lies about you on line and tell the world your embarrassing secrets from confessionals.

The XII's were the elite of the elite. Seeing how Scientology treated them is another ugly bullet.

I think Karen #1's list is a major data point for any ex or non-ex.

Declaring XII's? Reminds me of Saddam shooting his cabinet members and makes about as much sense.

 

[Enthetan]

And in the therapy of Scientology it is a one way street of *ONLY* asking for *YOUR* crimes, your witholds, your unsavory deeds, your overts.
Your Evil purposes, Your critical thoughts, Your contra survival urges, Your unworthy impulses.
This is done for *YEARS* in the RPF.
It was done for years in SP Hole.
It was done for decades to those who hit the decks or fell into disgrace.
I cannot imagine anything *more* unhealthy for a person than to have him divebomb into his mind year in and year out looking for EVIL.
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[video=youtube;ot5D3UgGKH0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot5D3UgGKH0[/video]

 

[Enthetan]

It's why we are all criminals
We are out-exchanged with Ron Hubbard and the cult...
He has done so much for us and mankind.. we almost stole from him...

We will die in the darkness...

It was one step on the road out:

I was sitting in the Flag reg area. The reg lady asked me "Do you feel in-exchange with LRH?"

My thought was "I contributed to his being able to live in a mansion, with a bunch of cute servants waiting on him. Are YOU in-exchange with Thomas Edison? With Robert Fulton? With Louis Pasteur? With all the thousands of men without whom you would be sitting in a cave gnawing on a bone? And without whom LRH would not have had an e-meter or any other material-world tech to research and communicate his findings?"

Naturally, I knew what would happen if I said that, so I didn't. But it was a step out.

 

[George Layton]

The answer to the question "What does it matter?" is, it gives you sanity. I had a past life recall when I was in HS, before I heard of scientology, before I heard of past lives, karma, reincarnation. I recalled ice skating on a fjord or canal in the Netherlands in like the 1600's. I had a simple thought. "Oh. I have lived before." I knew it would be all right. It being life. My life.

That's why it's important. That's why it matters. Because, it's not something you know intellectually. Or read about and seems right. It's real to you that you will survive, no matter what happens to you and it will be all right.

Lets talk about perceptions, full or otherwise. It's like describing the color red. There are many variations - once I went out and it was fuzzy green. Once I went out and city busses looked like match box toy cars. Once I ping ponged in and out, and everything was bright and colorful, and the air blowing in the open window, over the radiator was dancing with snow. Once I went out and was looking through my flesh at my bones and they were a phosphorescent grey. Once my wife went out when she was a teenager, and there was nothing - no time no space just her being there.

Who really knows what the phrase "full perceptions" means anyway? You perceive what you perceive.



Mimsey[/QUO


You may as well say, "I had an experience so I had an experience." How can you know it wasn't your imagination, your visualization, another plane of existence, a hallucination, a waking dream..., sure what you perceive is what you perceive but where did you derive your definition for it? Does anyone have any real clue of what all is out there that can be experienced, and if they do have some inkling of ALL THAT IS are they really going to try to convince people they have it ALL figured out, defined and understood?


Some do and they will share it with you, for a price of course.

 

[JustSheila]

The answer to the question "What does it matter?" is, it gives you sanity.

Mimsey, would you be willing to slow down for a moment here and consider your experiences a little bit differently?

Is it possible that you had these experiences, but the interpretation you've given them just might possibly be incorrect? Are you willing to 'think outside the box' of your own interpretations for a few minutes, or are you deadset stubborn about your interpretations being correct?

Starting with the 'gives you sanity' idea - ???? Why/when/how do you think the two are related or that you were insane before then, so needed to become sane?

That's why it's important. That's why it matters. Because, it's not something you know intellectually. Or read about and seems right. It's real to you that you will survive, no matter what happens to you and it will be all right.

Everyone who believes in God has the same idea as you, here, that they are spiritual beings and do not die when their life here ends, but continue on and no matter what happens, it will all be alright. It is not proof of past lives or God or eternity, but all believers state this in some way. It doesn't require exteriorization or any other wild mechanism to have this belief or inner confidence. It is not a belief unique to scn or past lives in any way.

Lets talk about perceptions, full or otherwise. It's like describing the color red. There are many variations - once I went out and it was fuzzy green. Once I went out and city busses looked like match box toy cars. Once I ping ponged in and out, and everything was bright and colorful, and the air blowing in the open window, over the radiator was dancing with snow. Once I went out and was looking through my flesh at my bones and they were a phosphorescent grey. Once my wife went out when she was a teenager, and there was nothing - no time no space just her being there.

Actually, Mims, this sounds a whole lot more like an acid trip than a spiritual experience! Looking through your flesh sounds like a bad trip, for sure.

Seriously, though - drugs, mood, health and sleep all affect our perceptions. The way you describe it sounds wild, exotic, freaky. It doesn't sound spiritual though. Not at all. What you don't describe is any balance, harmony, feelings of calm, love and centeredness with your self, life and loved ones. Like scientologists, your description focuses on the exotic and wildness of superhuman, unbelievable, out-of-this world experiences, the wilder the better, much like the experience of one taking acid or some other powerful drug. From your description, if any of that actually happened, it was not important enough to mention. The freakiness of the experiences and talking about those is what stuck and what you continue to relate to others. Think about that, please.

One more comment - if your wife was truly, completely 'out of time and space' she wouldn't have had any connection to her body or life, which is certainly 'within time and space.' She wouldn't see darkness, because she wouldn't have perception. She wouldn't 'leave then return' because she would be beyond any time line of existence, there would be no beginning, middle or end to leave or return. She certainly would not have a memory of it, because we can only remember actual things experienced, and experiences and memories are evidence of existing within time. Truly, anyone who has a memory of 'existing beyond time and space,' by virtue of having memory of it, was always connected to time and space. Think about it. I know scns love that phrase, because it is the extreme of all extremes, but the phrase itself is a contradiction when a person turns out to be alive after all and then tells others about this as an 'experience.' If you really begin to imagine a nothingness with nothing to perceive, nobody to perceive, no perceptions, no ability to think, no thoughts, nothing to return to, no connection to anything, no memories - I doubt you'd find that a pleasant idea. You might even experience vertigo. It sounds more like how you felt before you became a believer.

 

[strativarius]

The answer to the question "What does it matter?" is, it gives you sanity. I had a past life recall when I was in HS, before I heard of scientology, before I heard of past lives, karma, reincarnation. I recalled ice skating on a fjord or canal in the Netherlands in like the 1600's. I had a simple thought. "Oh. I have lived before." I knew it would be all right. It being life. My life.

That's why it's important. That's why it matters. Because, it's not something you know intellectually. Or read about and seems right. It's real to you that you will survive, no matter what happens to you and it will be all right.

Lets talk about perceptions, full or otherwise. It's like describing the color red. There are many variations - once I went out and it was fuzzy green. Once I went out and city busses looked like match box toy cars. Once I ping ponged in and out, and everything was bright and colorful, and the air blowing in the open window, over the radiator was dancing with snow. Once I went out and was looking through my flesh at my bones and they were a phosphorescent grey. Once my wife went out when she was a teenager, and there was nothing - no time no space just her being there.

Who really knows what the phrase "full perceptions" means anyway? You perceive what you perceive.



Mimsey

To be perfectly frank Mimsey, if I experienced what you describe I would begin to doubt my sanity, not have in reinforced. The only time I did experience anything like what you describe was when I dropped acid in the 60's, and it wasn't what I'd call a 'good' trip either. Still, one man's meat...

EDIT: I see that JS has said pretty much what I was trying to say in the post immediately before this one but has made a much better job of it. I could have saved myself the trouble of typing it out.

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

The answer to the question "What does it matter?" is, it gives you sanity. I had a past life recall when I was in HS, before I heard of scientology, before I heard of past lives, karma, reincarnation. I recalled ice skating on a fjord or canal in the Netherlands in like the 1600's. I had a simple thought. "Oh. I have lived before." I knew it would be all right. It being life. My life.

That's why it's important. That's why it matters. Because, it's not something you know intellectually. Or read about and seems right. It's real to you that you will survive, no matter what happens to you and it will be all right.

Lets talk about perceptions, full or otherwise. It's like describing the color red. There are many variations - once I went out and it was fuzzy green. Once I went out and city busses looked like match box toy cars. Once I ping ponged in and out, and everything was bright and colorful, and the air blowing in the open window, over the radiator was dancing with snow. Once I went out and was looking through my flesh at my bones and they were a phosphorescent grey. Once my wife went out when she was a teenager, and there was nothing - no time no space just her being there.

Who really knows what the phrase "full perceptions" means anyway? You perceive what you perceive.



Mimsey

You may as well say, "I had an experience so I had an experience." How can you know it wasn't your imagination, your visualization, another plane of existence, a hallucination, a waking dream..., sure what you perceive is what you perceive but where did you derive your definition for it? Does anyone have any real clue of what all is out there that can be experienced, and if they do have some inkling of ALL THAT IS are they really going to try to convince people they have it ALL figured out, defined and understood?


Some do and they will share it with you, for a price of course.

I only wrote what I perceived. For me those were real experiences. You have every right to discount them, explain them away, believe them or not. I am not, as the Head Guru and only adherent of Mimseyism, the worlds smallest cult, looking to make recruits out of you.

I am only saying this happened to me (or my wife). The truth of it will be evident to you when you croak, if you don't leave your body, and all is blackness, or you do and see the white light, or simply float free of your body, and do whatever comes next.

I always find stories of exteriorization very interesting, and I suppose some others do as well. Are they proof of anything? That's for you to decide. Check out these see what you think.

A girl I met at flag was telling me how she would leave her body and fly (or soar) up and down the streets of San Francisco. She said it happened to he multiple times.

A "wog" told me he was sleeping, and was floating near the ceiling when he saw the mirror on the ceiling give way, He jerked his body aside and the mirror crashed onto his bed, covering it with broken glass.

A childhood friend told me, he was with his girl friend of a few years, eating at an out side cafe and some guy walked over, started talking to her, she said good by to Michael, and walked out of his life with the guy. Michael had a sudden shift of perception, and could see through the walls of the buildings around him, see people in their rooms, doing what ever.

There are plenty of OBE's that one can find, as well as NDEs, in literature. Some go back as far as written history.

To discount any or all of them is your prerogative, though I think it is an extreme position to take.

Mimsey

Edit: Trippy experiences? Not spiritual? Nah. If you find your self out side your body, and looking around, how is that not spiritual?

 

[Mimsey Borogrove]

Maybe sanity was a wrong choice of words. To me it meant knowing what the true circumstances of my life was. That knowingness, has been a sort of rudder. Why did I get involved in Scientology for 40+ years? It was a spiritual quest of sorts, to understand who I was better.

One time, I was really caving myself in. I was on staff at NYO, I had been paid like two bucks, and I was seriously considering blowing staff to keep from starving. I was down at the subway entrance and I thought I had hit bottom and I left my body. I was beside myself in the subway. But that awareness that I wasn't my poor hungry body, some how it gave me a re-established view of my self. It gave me a hope for the future. The next day, Sherman Dryer asked me if I'd like to be the org's night cleaner, I said yes, and was making $28 a week, which was more than some execs made on Hubbard's messed up proportional pay plan.

So, yeah, that's why I called it sanity - the experience informed me who and what I was.

Mimsey