KESQ-TV (Palm Desert, California) Scientology Investigation Video #3

[Iknowtoomuch]

If they could escape a building, a protester would see them inside the fence.

And they have many times. But the staff aren't allowed out during protests.
Some of the stories are just ridiculous.
How about we stick with things we can prove or aren't hearsay.

PM me and I'll tell you where that bar owner is. That's exactly what I was told.

It doesn't matter. I wouldn't believe them. The story is either perverted or they are plain wrong. Unless we can see some pictures or hear from an exGold staff member.
Some doors don't need a knob. They are swinging doors.

You're doing great work AO, please don't have it twisted by BS stories that can't be verified.

 

[AnonOrange]

And here's a JPG: http://www.freezone.org/images/gilman_hs.jpg

That's an old picture, which is fine. Do you have other pictures that show the area UP from there. I want to see where that inescapable building is. It was apparently built about 10 years ago and may not be there in the older picture. That's fine too, I just want to confirm where the recent buildings are.

 

[AnonOrange]

Please don't have it twisted by BS stories that can't be verified.

That bar owner swore up and down. I was skeptical (and elated) also.

Note that two other ladies, totally unrelated to that bar owner, confirmed the story about porn being filmed at Gold Base.

I'll make a long term bet with you, say $100 that it's true.

Deal ?

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

That bar owner swore up and down. I was skeptical (and elated) also.

Note that two other ladies, totally unrelated to that bar owner, confirmed the story about porn being filmed at Gold Base.

I'll make a long term bet with you, say $100 that it's true.

Deal ?

Now it's porn...lol.
I don't want you to lose your money.
Let's just stick with the facts.

 

[AnonOrange]

Now it's porn...lol.
I don't want you to lose your money.
Let's just stick with the facts.

Put up or put out !

 

[Dulloldfart]

Note that two other ladies, totally unrelated to that bar owner, confirmed the story about porn being filmed at Gold Base.

Is that before or after the CofS bought the property?

Paul

 

[AnonOrange]

Is that before or after the CofS bought the property?

Paul

That was confirmed just a month ago. Go there (if you're in the area) and take the free salsa dance lessons at 7:00 PM (in A.C's lounge) at the Soboba casino. Most people there are local from San Jacinto and will gladly chat with you. They all know about Gold Base and think it's creepy.

The reason I went there was Graham sent me on a "mission" to gather up stories from old timers there about the Happy Valley Ranch. There were no old bartenders there that knew about Happy Valley. Instead I stared asking around about Gold Base.

Go to any bar/restaurant in San Jacinto and you'll hear stories.

Here's another one, I got from the restaurant waitress at the "Manhattan" restaurant:

She has worked there for 8 years and last time she saw scientologists was 3 years ago. When they used to come into her restaurant, they would all sit in the back room an only two people were allowed to make conversations with the waitress. They would all sit "kinda stiff" and not talk when she was there. She really thought they were weird. Once they brought someone to play golf at the Soboba country club, which is weird since Golden Era has their own golf club.

I've got three-four short little stories like that.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

Wut? Porn!? - Never heard a hint of that before.. Unlikely if the porn models are scilons.. Too many exes out in the world for them to go unrecognised. - If not scilons, then the 'models' would be travelling to and fro.. Too little traffic reported.

Sound like a planted false 'allegation' that can be used to CoS advantage by documenting that the critics lie.

Whatever..

Picketers, keep an eye out for Ron Jeremy out there.. We need confirmation and hard facts for this to be of any use.

 

[AnonOrange]

Wut? Porn!? - Never heard a hint of that before.. Unlikely if the porn models are scilons..

Picketers, keep an eye out for Ron Jeremy out there.. We need confirmation and hard facts for this to be of any use.

Check out some of the resumes I find on the net about people that worked at Golden Era Productions. Note that people are'nt likely to say on their resumes: I WORKED ON A GAY PORN VIDEO ...

http://www.imodel.com/index.cfm?mid=4958&action=Resume&open=1
(little bit GAY, ya'think?)
"Dianetics--Businessman--Golden Era Productions
Dinamics--Bodybuilder--Golden Era Productions" I wonder if Pope know him. Pope has a website of bodybuilders.

They do hire nice girls too !
http://us.vdc.imdb.de/name/nm2758698/resume

This guy worked at Golden Era and Playboy TV.
http://www.artzfart.com/resume.html

What really needs to be exposed is their use of actors for their testimonials !
http://www.evanwecksell.com/ew_resume.html


It's likely that CoS being short of cash flow income and thinking they have the whole security thing down pat, they could sneak in actors (by the little dirt road, where I was attacked) directly to the studio castle in the evening for a quick Porn shoot. 1) DM may have wanted to watch it live, 2) it's a quick buck. Nobody on base would know except for the guards and whomever did the filming.

I see no reason why the four (ladies) that told me, would have any reason to lie about Gay Porn videos.

It's outrageous, I know, but try digging yourself and see what you can find out. Again, this happened about 5 months ago.

 

[AnonOrange]

Picketers, keep an eye out for Ron Jeremy out there.. We need confirmation and hard facts for this to be of any use.

I have a pic of Ron Jeremy and I taken at the AVN awards. If you are REALLY nice to me, maybe, I'll dig it up and scan it.

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

Check out some of the resumes I find on the net about people that worked at Golden Era Productions. Note that people are'nt likely to say on their resumes: I WORKED ON A GAY PORN VIDEO ...

http://www.imodel.com/index.cfm?mid=4958&action=Resume&open=1
(little bit GAY, ya'think?)
"Dianetics--Businessman--Golden Era Productions
Dinamics--Bodybuilder--Golden Era Productions" I wonder if Pope know him. Pope has a website of bodybuilders.

They do hire nice girls too !
http://us.vdc.imdb.de/name/nm2758698/resume

This guy worked at Golden Era and Playboy TV.
http://www.artzfart.com/resume.html

What really needs to be exposed is their use of actors for their testimonials !
http://www.evanwecksell.com/ew_resume.html


It's likely that CoS being short of cash flow income and thinking they have the whole security thing down pat, they could sneak in actors (by the little dirt road, where I was attacked) directly to the studio castle in the evening for a quick Porn shoot. 1) DM may have wanted to watch it live, 2) it's a quick buck. Nobody on base would know except for the guards and whomever did the filming.

I see no reason why the four (ladies) that told me, would have any reason to lie about Gay Porn videos.

It's outrageous, I know, but try digging yourself and see what you can find out. Again, this happened about 5 months ago.

AO, you have moments of brilliance and moments of retardation...this one is firmly in the retardation zone.
Not one of those people or anything about them says Porn.
This speculation doesn't help your credibility.

 

[Lynn Fountain Campbell]

Come on, guise. Anybody can speculate. It's part of free speech, and it's a major advantage we have over the thought-policed scilons.

Lynn

 

[Zinjifar]

15 minutes of fame is enough for anyone; for an anon, it's 15 minutes too much according to the 'anon philosophy'

Speculation is fine, but, when dealing with Scientology it needs to be balanced against the very real PR machinery of the Cult that loves nothing more than to be able to 'discredit' any criticism.

Zinj

 

[Dulloldfart]

I see no reason why the four (ladies) that told me, would have any reason to lie about Gay Porn videos.

I live in the UK and am not likely to be checking this out personally, AO. Next time you are there, maybe you could get a title or two, sufficient to track down a copy of one or more of these supposed videos.

I'm sure someone could be found to do this research once a vid or two is in hand. If the vid was entirely an indoor shoot, it could be done in any old place. If it's being done in a fancy setting, then there will be exterior shots, buildings etc. Get some shots of the exterior views from the vids, or even interiors if they show the building or decor, and put them online. No need to show the T&A really. There must be enough exes around to identify any genuine Gold buildings used, and if that could be done, wow, that would be a PR flap and a half!

Paul

 

[AnonOrange]

AO, you have moments of brilliance and moments of retardation...this one is firmly in the retardation zone.
Not one of those people or anything about them says Porn.
This speculation doesn't help your credibility.

I CLEARLY said in a previous post. NOBODY WILL STATE ON THEIR RESUME THEY WORKED ON PORN.

duh.

 

[AnonOrange]

I live in the UK and am not likely to be checking this out personally, AO. Next time you are there, maybe you could get a title or two, sufficient to track down a copy of one or more of these supposed videos.

I DID try. In fact, that's what I worked on the most. I went to 6 porn shops and spoke to everybody I could.

I am pretty convinced this story is true. Like 95%.

Ive been on this for months, I just need help to prove it; I can't be watching gay porn all day !

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

I CLEARLY said in a previous post. NOBODY WILL STATE ON THEIR RESUME THEY WORKED ON PORN.

duh.

You want me to list the porn actors with resumes then?

Point is that there is no reason to go down that road. Even DM isn't dumb enough to do porn at Gold. If it were happening, the information would have already gotten out.
It's not happening.

 

[Dulloldfart]

I DID try. In fact, that's what I worked on the most. I went to 6 porn shops and spoke to everybody I could.

I am pretty convinced this story is true. Like 95%.

Ive been on this for months, I just need help to prove it; I can't be watching gay porn all day !

Oh! The dedication!

I guess the ladies in question didn't know the titles then. But aren't there hordes of suitable fellow researchers on WWP, for instance? Are there porn message boards where the crews and actors hang out where the word could be put out? You wouldn't have to do it all yourself. It would be much more fun than trying to dig up property records or something.

Paul

 

[AnonOrange]

AO, you have moments of brilliance and moments of retardation...

Actually, what have I done that's "brilliant" ? Nothing really.

However, I did not spend countless hours shooping other's pictures, write flaming posts and gossip endlessly.

I did attend raids and ALL Board of Directors meetings, write LOTS of letters to the medias, make calls, faxes, followup, go to govt agencies, get costumes and attend fundraisers . Basically all grunt work and nothing that requires special skills.

 

[Zinjifar]

I DID try. In fact, that's what I worked on the most. I went to 6 porn shops and spoke to everybody I could.

I am pretty convinced this story is true. Like 95%.

Ive been on this for months, I just need help to prove it; I can't be watching gay porn all day !

Trying to gather data to substantiate your own foregone conclusion is a common practice, but, it's *not* research or worth shit.

Zinj