KHTK Essays

[Vinaire]

The final version of KHTK #4 VIEWPOINT has now been uploaded and is made available.


KHTK #5 is currently in the works.

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[me myself & i]

The final version of KHTK #4 VIEWPOINT has now been uploaded and is made available.


KHTK #5 is currently in the works.

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Very nicely done Vinaire. And thank you.

I will quote one of our most beloved teachers before I continue this post:

"All differences in this world are of degree, and not of kind, because oneness is the secret of everything".

Now it seems to me perhaps I can provide a perfect context for your material I so sincerely love (and may actually intellectualy need) that I can refer to Vivekananda to do it.

And maybe not.

We'll be in touch.

Lol.

Love,

mojo

 

[Vinaire]

Very nicely done. The purity of it strikes me as somehow being invaluable all by itself. That is to say the purity in your sharing of it with us.

I also did the KHTK #4 session. I intentionally/consciously did it twice. The first time was in the context/background of silence, the 2nd time in the context/background of music. The music was selected specifically for the process. I choose a piece by one of my most admired composers (which may have produced a biased result I understand, in hindsight).

The thing I experienced most distinctly between the two sessions was the relationship between the presence and absence of thought, relative to the subject I was addressing, i.e. bodies, relative to the music vs the silence. Which is to say where music was the background, my mental or intellectual or thought focus on bodies was seemingly hindered. And conversely where silence was the background the subject of bodies, mentally, was magnified. So to speak. If this is meaningful I do not yet know.

In both instances I came away with a distinct feeling of expansion. In the first case I could articulate it (to myself) while in the second I could not. Maybe the first was real and the second imaginary. I don't know.

Both sessions ended after 15 minutes, individually (which I pre-arranged with a timer to be sure).

mojo

That is great, mojo. Thanks for your feedback.

KHTK #4 allows as much flexibility as possible while practicing the priciples of KHTK. It reminds me of the 1969 Volkswagon Beetle that could be customized any which way and which was a smash hit among the students.

I shall be practicing KHTK #4 at increasingly deeper levels. Hopefully I shall get feedback from more people on ESMB.

Blessings from Buddha...

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[Vinaire]

Somebody sent this to me recently:

YOUR RELIGION

Take care of your thoughts because they become Words.
Take care of your Words because they will become Actions.
Take care of your Actions because they will become Habits.
Take care of your Habits because they will form your Character.
Take care of your Character because it will form your Destiny,
And your destiny will be your Life
And…

There is no religion higher than the Truth.

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[Vinaire]

I must acknowledge that it was IDENICS that got me started in the direction of KHTK. The intention behind KHTK is to get a grass roots movement going that is free and very accessible to everybody. I know I am far from getting that movement going, but I think I have made a start.

But I want to make it known that IDENICS is always there for those who need a bit more help than what KHTK can provide.

My many thanks to John Galusha for his work and to Mike Goldstein for the inspiration he has provided.

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[Vinaire]

THE OT LEVELS

I feel pretty good about my conclusion to do with OT Levels, after checking and rechecking.

OT levels are equivalent to doing lower levels again and again with KHTK approach.

Here is my last post on this subject.

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=411553&postcount=169

I may revisit OT Levels again; but at the moment I would like to look at the L’s with KHTK approach. I shall report on that shortly.

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[Vinaire]

L10

Here is the first question from “L10 Flow 0 List.”

Have you been too hard on yourself?

This is a very interesting question. If one looks at it from KHTK approach, it is very likely that some incident is sitting right there to be noticed. DO NOT COMPUTE UPON WHAT COMES UP. DO NOT RESIST ANY RESPONSE. END OFF WHEN THE ATTENTION IS OPTIMUM.

If more than one incident may come up. Simply use the KHTK approach. Let the mind unstack itself as it would.

A person can be hard on oneself for many reasons. But underlying all those reasons is a craving being generated by that person (Noble Truth #2 of Buddha), which the person is having a hard time dealing with. The correct action would be to spot that craving precisely as and when it comes up. If it doesn’t come up with the first question, it may come up on one of the subsequent questions on the “L10 Flow 0 List.”

Again, DO NOT COMPUTE UPON WHAT COMES UP. DO NOT RESIST ANY RESPONSE. END OFF WHEN THE ATTENTION IS OPTIMUM as you go through the “L10 Flow 0 List.”

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[Vinaire]

I have now revised KHTK#3 to make it more readable.

You may access the KHTK essays through my signature.

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[Vinaire]

Here are couple of posts which I think should be linked on this thread:

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=414813&postcount=120

http://www.forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=414824&postcount=121

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[Vinaire]

KHTK #5 is developing along the following lines:

When we were small it was natural to think, “My dad is the greatest in the world,” or “My mom is the most wonderful ever,” because our parents took care of all our needs and provided a window to the world, explaining it to us.

We had no experience of our own, so we looked at the world through our parents’ experience. We imitated their actions and moods and pretended to be like them. But as we gained our own experience, we become aware of some of our parent’s filters, and we outgrew them.

Similarly, as we move through our lives, we are influenced by others, especially in those areas where they help us through our lack of experience. Beset with problems of life, many people start to follow charismatic leaders who promise solutions to their problems. A follower becomes very dedicated to a charismatic leader, whose viewpoint, somehow, helped them resolve some of his problems, and he even starts to look at life increasingly through that leader’s “viewpoint.”

However, as a person gathers his own experience, he outgrows such influences too. But, he may not do so when such an influence encourages dependency, and prevents him from having his own experience. A person then becomes unhappy without able to spot the source of that unhappiness.

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[Vinaire]

Posts to do with KHTK

Instead of duplicating my posts on two forums, I shall simply provide the following link to the thread where I shall be writing my posts on the subject of KHTK:

The Secret of Achieving Gains in Auditing

The KHTK #5 is going to be about MINDFULNESS as prescribed by Buddha.

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[Vinaire]

VINAIRE'S BLOG

I thought that the KHTK Essays needed a blog. So, I have finally managed to set up a blog for myself.

Here it is:

VINAIRE'S BLOG


You are welcome to visit this blog and leave your comments. I am still fooling around with the settings. So, please be patient.

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[namaste]

I thought that the KHTK Essays needed a blog. So, I have finally managed to set up a blog for myself.

Here it is:

VINAIRE'S BLOG


You are welcome to visit this blog and leave your comments. I am still fooling around with the settings. So, please be patient.

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That's great, Vinaire. Thank you for all you do and share.

 

[Vinaire]

That's great, Vinaire. Thank you for all you do and share.

Thank you, namaste. I think I finally have the blog the way I want it.

 

[Vinaire]

VINAIRE'S BLOG

The VINAIRE'S BLOG has a new look.

I plan to add a category of Music where I would post the very few musical pieces that happen to evoke wonderful emotions in me.

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[Vinaire]

Random Thought

The red stripe in the title area of Vinaire’s Blog represents a LAYER OF THOUGHT.

The square window at the left of the title represents a HOLE in that layer of thought.

When one looks through that hole one sees A NEW UNIVERSE.

Beyond our thoughts there is a whole new universe to be experienced.

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[Vinaire]

KHTK #5

KHTK #5 has now been published on VINAIRE'S BLOG.

These exercises are straight from Buddha. A continual practice of these exercises may lead to a permanent state of exteriorization. But exteriorization means something different here.

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[Vinaire]

Beginning of the universe

The following post on Vinaire's Blog created the subsequent response below:

The Philosophical Beginning of Universe

I'm copy/pasting this so I can look at it while I reply to Vinaire.


To have a universe it must be considered first. And it must be considered from a NULL viewpoint that is beyond consideration.

A universe would consist of beingness, awareness, space, time, energy and matter. The NULL viewpoint would be beyond beingness, awareness, space, time, energy and matter.

Implication here is that these all get mocked up in fell swoop. An all or nothing scene. When I was stomping around this area of track with Robert Ducharme some years ago it seemed to me more that we started of with simply an awareness of self, then awareness of others came into it. No space here, but clearly time was beginning already. Then the idea of perceptions creeped into it all and with that the beginnings of space, though not space as we know it. Then communication with the others (no space here, all telepathy type exchange, so there is time) and then creations to be viewed in a "space" seperate to our own "locations", which all brought about some more space.

The universe would start with the assumption of BEINGNESS. At the core of this beingness would reside the NULL viewpoint

NOTE: The phrase “NULL viewpoint” is a placeholder like “zero.” No definition for “NULL viewpoint” is provided here other than that it is beyond beingness, awareness, space, time, energy and matter.

If there is no awareness there nor any beingness, then how could we even know it once existed? I could just as easily say that all of my actions are caused by a little red dot nine inches in front of my nose which is beyond all possibility of being perceived in any way by anyone ever. What would be the usefulness of such a claim? Zilch. I think the same goes for saying that at the core of beingness is a null point. It serves no purpose at all.

The moment universe comes into BEING it becomes AWARE of itself. Thus, it acquires a VIEWPOINT.

One can be aware of oneself without viewing anything. There can be awareness without any viewpoint at all.

This universe has scope. That scope defines its SPACE.

A mere play on words. How is it different to saying "A universe has SPACE. That space defines its scope"?

This universe persists. That persistence defines its TIME.

No. An unchanging object can be timeless. Time is shown through change and through sequence and through memory of what was which can then be compared to what is and differences perceived. Knock out any one of these three and time disappears.

This universe symbolizes creative activity. That activity defines its ENERGY.

"Symbolizes"? This may be an odd choice of a word. Do you have a better one?

This universe is something. That somethingness defines its MATTER.

Same play onn words as earlier - "something" and "matter" are interchangeable; therefor you have a tautol;ogy.

The universe, which comes into existence, is a system of BEINGNESS, AWARENESS (viewpoint), SPACE, TIME, ENERGY and MATTER.

Well, this mest one yes. But there can be universe which contain none of these. Consider your own universe of Mathematics - it has patterns and relationships but has none of the words you have capitalised in the para above.


The components of BEINGNESS and AWARENESS (viewpoint) are regarded as “spiritual.”

Again, the word "components" here is troublesome. Do you have a better one?

Oh wait - I thought you meant that there are components which together make up Beingness. But maybe you mean that beingness and AAwareness are two components of the universe and these two are both spiritual components.

The components of SPACE, TIME, ENERGY and MATTER are regarded as “physical.”

“Spiritual” and “physical” are two aspects of the same system.

OK. Up to here for now.

cheers,

L

Vinaire's response:

I do feel that these all get mocked up in one fell swoop... the definitions we are using seems to be different. I am not regurgitating Hubbard's Factors.

To me awareness implies some sort of a viewpoint. A viewpoint is a point of awareness. One cannot be aware without a viewpoint. This is my understanding.

To me persistance cannot take place without the consideration of time even when nothing is changing. Change simply adds another dimension to time.

Self is the universe when it gets mocked up. Further mockups simply add to this universe.

Awareness of self is an aspect of perception.

Scope of that awareness is space.

In my view, space is the introduction of dimensions in terms of awareness. One becomes aware in different ways and that is space. From this point of view time is just another dimension of awareness, hence, an aspect of space.

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I hope Leon will continue with this discussion on this thread where this subject has its own space.

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[Vinaire]

My opinion is that Hubbard has been very astute in reorganizing existing knowledge. He filtered away a lot of irrelevant stuff. But there are either inconsistencies in his work, or ambiguities. These kinks needs to be ironed out.

I find the following definition of viewpoint quite consistent and unambiguous:

VIEWPOINT, 1. a point of awareness from which one can perceive. (PAB 2)

My understanding is that if there is awareness then there must be a viewpoint, and there must also be perception.

When there is awareness of self, one is perceiving self in some manner, and one has a viewpoint from which one is perceiving self.

I believe there is a NULL viewpoint that is beyond beingness, awareness, space, time, energy and matter. Maybe Hubbard tried to describe something like it with the term "Static" but then he also attributed a beingness to "Static." In that respect, a NULL viewpoint is different from "Static" because it is beyond any beingness. The language is inadequate to express it.

Maybe a NULL viewpoint assumes beingness later and that is the kind of viewpoint we are most familiar with. But I feel that a viewpoint dissociated with any and all beingness is possible. I would like to consider that as the state of Nirvana... but then this is just a consideration and not the real thing.

It seems impossible to describe anything beyond consideration, because any description would be a consideration.

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[Voltaire's Child]

Me myself and I are both Vinaire fans!

(though I suspect both of you have FAR more mathematical minds than does yrs truly)