Knowing How to Know

[Good twin]

I was answering the thread about the Fixated Person R/D. I was looking at all the Flag only Rundowns I did. I think my favorite was the Knowledge R/D. It was fun.

I don't know about any tangible gains I got from it, but it was interesting and had me look at what I wanted from Scientology and what I expected from Scientology.

"Knowing how to know" A Scientologist can never allow himself to apply this even if he figures it out. It would involve looking and finding and evaluating and testing data.

For an ex Scientologist it really is like leaving the cult is the true way to EP Scientology.

Protest sign:

KNOWING HOW TO KNOW = READING THE INTERNET

TRUTH IS WHERE YOU AREN"T ALLOWED TO LOOK​

 

[Voltaire's Child]

The EP of Scn- and this isn't irony or anything like that- is to not need it anymore. A person should be able to handle things him or herself. Supposedly, that's what tech and policy are for. And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'll point out that they aren't used that way and that there's plenty of stuff written by LRH that justifies this crap and I do know that.

But really, tech-wise? If a person really learned something and attained something or other, he or she should then be able to go forth and be on his or her own.

And, of course, there's the other reason; which is this:

Anyone is better off being out of CofS because of the crap they pull and the constant harm they perpetrate.

 

[Good twin]

That's good Claire.

So to all the Exes who are upset I'd just like to indicate that you have been overrun on Scientology and should have left much sooner!

How's that?

 

[Voltaire's Child]

It is FREAKING AWESOME!!

 

[Ted]

[...]

But really, tech-wise? If a person really learned something and attained something or other, he or she should then be able to go forth and be on his or her own.

[...]

Before my time, but in the early days, an auditor was expected to know the basics and be able to roll his own processes for his pc's. This was obviously before the one-size-fits-all of the Bridge.

I think most experienced auditors can do that today once they realize they are no longer shackled.

 

[Carmel]

It's the constant irony with Scn - It has the potential to help ya to "look", "find", "test" and "evaluate" for yourself (and it helped give some the tools to do so), but if and when ya did so, you'd find yourself in the bad books and/or up shit creek without a paddle.

As well as not "needing" it anymore, the other 'EP' is not believing that everyone else "needs" it - I think it's the absence of the latter that made most of us stick with it for as long as we did.

 

[SchwimmelPuckel]

The EP of Scn- and this isn't irony or anything like that- is to not need it anymore. <snip>

Good post Claire! ... And I really thought that was the way it was, when I started out. Heh.. I aimed for 'clear' and 'that's it!'.. I had decided that the OT levels was too expensive, too time consuming and also too far out..

But actually, Dianetics is/was being hyped as a breakthrough mental therapy (not religion! That was just starting up at the time, with most of the scilon community being flippant or even BI's about it.)

If Dianetics can't make people NOT need therapy.. Or even makes them dependent on it.. That's one showstopper of a failure, as a mental therapy!

But then, I suspect that Hubbard designed the continuing need for processing!

At first there was the seemingly inexhaustible supply of engrams and implants from millions of past lives to audit.

But people started to attest to 'Clear'! - And consider themselves 'sane' and in commend of their mental faculties.

Then Hubbard invented Body Thetans! - The BT's have the same 'functionality' as the 'Reactive Mind'.. They have their own 'Reactive Minds' that masquerades as your own, without you being aware of it.. So the 'cashcow' was reestablished. You could still not trust your own mind and thus needed processing.

And BT's really are an inexhaustible source of.. hmm.. income!

 

[Good twin]

It's the constant irony with Scn - It has the potential to help ya to "look", "find", "test" and "evaluate" for yourself (and it helped give some the tools to do so), but if and when ya did so, you'd find yourself in the bad books and/or up shit creek without a paddle.

As well as not "needing" it anymore, the other 'EP' is not believing that everyone else "needs" it - I think it's the absence of the latter that made most of us stick with it for as long as we did.

Yep, Carmel. I think you hit the nail on the head here. This was most probably what kept me in. Thank you.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Scientology is a primitive and exotic tropical island where the elixir of immortality grows--legend has it.

Most perish on the long and difficult journey to its mystically remote location.

For those exhausted searchers that arrive, it is soon discovered that the island is overrun with poisonous snakes, reptiles and spiders. And virtually all the vegetation is terminally toxic.

Most never make it off the island. But they search for eternity with maps and books and word of mouth.

Precious few return. Not one of those has yet found the elixir.

Once in a while a survivor of that desolate place speaks fondly of the time they discovered a nutritious berry or seed.

One wonders when they describe its delicious taste if they are merely bragging about their cleverness in avoiding the poisonous fruits that so many others succumbed to.

 

[altruistichedonist]

HH. Are you saying that there's a lot of Ponce De Leon reincarnation bots about sellin' the fountain of eternal "never have to beat yourself up again for being human". pity.

Or am I reading volumes between the lines ?

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Stories from the shore of Paradise

HH. Are you saying that there's a lot of Ponce De Leon reincarnation bots about sellin' the fountain of eternal "never have to beat yourself up again for being human". pity.Or am I reading volumes between the lines ?

Greetings to you, Altruistichedonist, from this amazing tropical paradise! Wish you were here!

I am telling you this story from the shore where I am relaxing and sipping a cocktail right now!

I know that you, like me and all our friends here, are a devoted hedonist! Well, here on Scientology Island it is endlessly beautiful with everything you could ever want. The natives are sooooo theta and hot looking and they will cook for you, do your cleaning and have sex any time you want. The only exchange they want is your happiness. We just got satellite tv and the internet, too!

But, oh yeah, I am forgetting...we found endless supplies of elixir of immortality. One sip does it! I supposed you could make trillions selling it to the rest of the world if you are into that mest kind of thing.

So, try to get here by Thursday and tell them that you are my selectee, okay?

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Careful ... are there any volcanoes on that lovely (Hawaiian?) Island ... I once heard a really silly scary story about those ... do try to stay very alert at all times HH and be prepared to swim if approached by any nutters clutching H bombs ...

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Good post Claire! ... And I really thought that was the way it was, when I started out. Heh.. I aimed for 'clear' and 'that's it!'.. I had decided that the OT levels was too expensive, too time consuming and also too far out..

But actually, Dianetics is/was being hyped as a breakthrough mental therapy (not religion! That was just starting up at the time, with most of the scilon community being flippant or even BI's about it.)

If Dianetics can't make people NOT need therapy.. Or even makes them dependent on it.. That's one showstopper of a failure, as a mental therapy!

But then, I suspect that Hubbard designed the continuing need for processing!

At first there was the seemingly inexhaustible supply of engrams and implants from millions of past lives to audit.

But people started to attest to 'Clear'! - And consider themselves 'sane' and in commend of their mental faculties.

Then Hubbard invented Body Thetans! - The BT's have the same 'functionality' as the 'Reactive Mind'.. They have their own 'Reactive Minds' that masquerades as your own, without you being aware of it.. So the 'cashcow' was reestablished. You could still not trust your own mind and thus needed processing.

And BT's really are an inexhaustible source of.. hmm.. income!

I definitely think he wanted to keep the customers on the hook. But I also think he kept finding out that after each EP, people weren't free of having to be in a body, weren't in total control. He wasn't in total control.

My opinion of him, FWIW, (that and 3.50 USD will get you a latte) is that he had mixed motives. Wanted the money and power and was willing to compromise self and others to get it, but I think he also believed in his product and kept trying to fix it.

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Before my time, but in the early days, an auditor was expected to know the basics and be able to roll his own processes for his pc's. This was obviously before the one-size-fits-all of the Bridge.

I think most experienced auditors can do that today once they realize they are no longer shackled.

Got it. Makes sense.

 

[HCObringOrder?]

It's the constant irony with Scn - It has the potential to help ya to "look", "find", "test" and "evaluate" for yourself (and it helped give some the tools to do so), but if and when ya did so, you'd find yourself in the bad books and/or up shit creek without a paddle.

As well as not "needing" it anymore, the other 'EP' is not believing that everyone else "needs" it - I think it's the absence of the latter that made most of us stick with it for as long as we did.

I believe less an absence than the constant button pushing of "helping others".
Reading some of the OT material, it seemed that exorcising BTs was helping the BTs also.

To some extent we are still doing that here.
I am not saying that the empathy for others is bad, only that the extreme sacrifice of "only helping others" is bad.
The balance of self and others is good.

A major difference here is we are aiming for a much more realistic target.
A few thousand as opposed for a few billion.

 

[Blue Spirit]

I wish I Had An Auditor Like That

Before my time, but in the early days, an auditor was expected to know the basics and be able to roll his own processes for his pc's. This was obviously before the one-size-fits-all of the Bridge.

I think most experienced auditors can do that today once they realize they are no longer shackled.

I wish I had an auditor like that !

 

[Blue Spirit]

Protest Sign

I was answering the thread about the Fixated Person R/D. I was looking at all the Flag only Rundowns I did. I think my favorite was the Knowledge R/D. It was fun.

I don't know about any tangible gains I got from it, but it was interesting and had me look at what I wanted from Scientology and what I expected from Scientology.

"Knowing how to know" A Scientologist can never allow himself to apply this even if he figures it out. It would involve looking and finding and evaluating and testing data.

For an ex Scientologist it really is like leaving the cult is the true way to EP Scientology.

Protest sign:

KNOWING HOW TO KNOW = READING THE INTERNET

TRUTH IS WHERE YOU AREN"T ALLOWED TO LOOK​

I like your protest sign, and it is the truth.


Thank you for your opinion on the Flag Case Resolution Rundowns.

Like anything else there their quality of application over the years must

have dropped precipitously.

 

[Blue Spirit]

HELP !

That's good Claire.

So to all the Exes who are upset I'd just like to indicate that you have been overrun on Scientology and should have left much sooner!
How's that?

Well I have certainly been overrun on NOT getting the help

I needed in Scientology. VERY OVERRUN.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Careful ... are there any volcanoes on that lovely (Hawaiian?) Island ... I once heard a really silly scary story about those ... do try to stay very alert at all times HH and be prepared to swim if approached by any nutters clutching H bombs ...

I can stop you right there. I am familiar with those materials. When I first got here the natives used to be all freaked out about those volcanoes, so much so that it was ruining their idyllic lives! Apparently a strange tubby man with flowing red hair in a sailor suit from the West came here on a big boat, long ago, and scared the living hell out of them with a nightmarish story about demonic space ghosts and such.

Using Scientology Tech, I briefed them and they instantly spotted that the storytelling guy was a total Merchant of Chaos! So, they disconnected from that evil SP and since that time the whole place here has been one non-stop party! If it wasn't for Ron none of these huge wins would have ever happened!!!

 

[altruistichedonist]

Is there a sea org there. I got no money. Just a silly ring that makes me invisible when I put it on. We hates it.