L. Ron Hubbard had "Combat Fatigue" ?

AnonKat

Crusader
Would explain alot actually

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/larry-wright-and-the-new-yorker/#comment-104720

RJ | February 8, 2011 at 6:38 pm | Reply

So Doc.

Where does he exactly say that these were “massive *combat* injuries” or even injuries related to actual combat in the following line?

“By 1948, through my own processing, and use of the principles I had isolated up to that time, was able to pass a 100% combat physical, which was very mysterious to the government, how had I suddenly become completely physically well, from being blind and lame.”
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Cat Daddy | February 10, 2011 at 6:56 pm | Reply

Interesting are you suggesting it was “Combat Fatigue”?
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RJ | February 10, 2011 at 7:49 pm |

Well this is very possible CD.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/127295/combat-fatigue

combat fatigue , also called battle fatigue, or shell shock, a neurotic disorder caused by the stress involved in war. This anxiety-related disorder is characterized by (1) hypersensitivity to stimuli such as noises, movements, and light accompanied by overactive responses that include involuntary defensive jerking or jumping (startle reactions), (2) easy irritability progressing even to acts of violence, and (3) sleep disturbances including battle dreams, nightmares, and inability to fall asleep. Although persons in combat differ widely in their susceptibility to combat fatigue, because of hereditary factors and previous training, most cases result from exposure to physical hardship, prolonged and excessive exertion, and emotional conflicts. The emotional conflicts usually are related to loss of comrades, leaders, and group support, together with other precipitating events in the battle setting. Most individuals are best treated by being kept near the front lines and given rest, food, and sedation, provided they are permitted to stay with their units. U.S. armed forces in the late 1960s claimed to have nearly eliminated the occurrence of combat fatigue, attributing their success to practices such as frequent troop rotations, regular hot meals and other comforts for troops in combat areas, rest and recreation leaves away from the war zone, quick evacuation of wounded and good medical care, and application of psychiatric techniques to whole units as well as to individuals. Despite these claims, however, the Vietnam War, especially after 1969, produced a large number of American veterans with behavioral and drug-abuse problems.
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
L Ron Hubbard never saw any action, don't know why he would have "combat" fatigue. Mind you, he was certainly looking for psychiatric help after the war:

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. . . its not like he didn't need it.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
L Ron Hubbard never saw any action, don't know why he would have "combat" fatigue. Mind you, he was certainly looking for psychiatric help after the war:

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. . . its not like he didn't need it.

I must say I don't like 1948 Psychiatry in the US, Lots of shit going on in the US back in the day to create "Normal Citizins"

That said, Anxiety about expected combat that never comes can still be devestating to certain individuals.
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
I must say I don't like 1948 Psychiatry in the US, Lots of shit going on in the US back in the day to create "Normal Citizins"

That said, Anxiety about expected combat that never comes can still be devestating to certain individuals.

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AnonKat

Crusader
pfrrrrt


Oh come on, lesbian girls getting shock treatment, forced to wear dresses and stuff. Everybody paranoid that the neighbour could be a commi.

And Hubbard was not the onley one in that Time to regard Homosexuality as an illness, to see blacks as inferior, to see asians as inferior. The Brittish actally shared alot of their ideas with the Nazi's when it came to race as did most of the western countries. For Example: Besides being a great war-hero churchill was a racist and a sexist.
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Oh come on, lesbian girls getting shock treatment, forced to wear dresses and stuff. Everybody paranoid that the neighbour could be a commi.

And Hubbard was not the onley one in that Time to regard Homosexuality as an illness, to see blacks as inferior, to see asians as inferior. The Brittish actally shared alot of their ideas with the Nazi's when it came to race as did most of the western countries. For Example: Besides being a great war-hero churchill was a racist and a sexist.

Trouble is, L Ron Hubbard's apologists *still* believe homosexuality is 1.1. But, yeah, for sure. L Ron Hubbard was an equal-opportunity government nark. Today he would be declaiming his enemies to the Department of Homeland Security as Al Queda. Communism is sooo last century. Bit like the tech, really.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
But still the unanswered question is: Did LRH have Combat Fatigue ?

It goes to Evidence. I like things explored, explained and not: "Hubbard lied about everything so alsoo about this". That is DOGMA. That would be hypocritical of Anon claiming to go after the truth and knowledge and claiming to be all for science. Historical research is after all alsoo a science.

Trouble is, L Ron Hubbard's apologists *still* believe homosexuality is 1.1. But, yeah, for sure. L Ron Hubbard was an equal-opportunity government nark. Today he would be declaiming his enemies to the Department of Homeland Security as Al Queda. Communism is sooo last century. Bit like the tech, really.
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
But still the unanswered question is: Did LRH have Combat Fatigue ?

It goes to Evidence. I like things explored, explained and not: "Hubbard lied about everything so alsoo about this". That is DOGMA. That would be hypocritical of Anon claiming to go after the truth and knowledge and claiming to be all for science. Historical research is after all alsoo a science.

It is impossible for L Ron Hubbard to have suffered combat fatigue. He *never* saw *any* combat.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
granted

It is impossible for L Ron Hubbard to have suffered combat fatigue. He *never* saw *any* combat.

http://www.holysmoke.org/sdhok/war-rec.htm

As part of my research into L. Ron Hubbard's career in the US Navy (due to be published on the web in about two weeks' time), I've asked three serving British military officers of my acquaintance to comment on Hubbard's performance records. I asked three officers - an Army Brigadier, a Royal Air Force Wing Commander and a Royal Navy Commander - the same question:

"You have an officer under your command, of lieutenant/captain/flight lieutenant rank [as appropriate], for a period of four years. He has had average performance reports for most of that period. However, over an 18-month period he is relieved of duty three times, twice for poor performance and arguing with his superiors and once for disobeying orders, for which he is formally admonished. How do you rate him at the end of his service?"

This is what they said:

Brigadier, Army:

Being relieved of duty is a very serious matter. If it happened repeatedly it would normally result in the officer being sacked. An officer with that sort of record would hopefully see the writing on the wall before it reached that stage. However, the system can be merciful. People can be victims of personality clashes or unsuitable postings. Tours of duty can be terminated prematurely without ending careers.

Wing Commander, RAF:

A very poor officer, obviously obstreperous and very difficult to manage. At that level you would expect to be able to give him tasks to do unsupervised. You would have to micro-manage him if you wanted to get good work out of him. If he is repeatedly relieved from duty in different posts, that is a clear message that he has a problem taking commands from his superiors. I would not want him working for me. I would seek to give him an administrative discharge or perhaps a court-martial if he misbehaved again. Indiscipline is a court- martialable offence, if you have clear and persistent evidence.

Commander, RN:

He sounds like a poor officer. Average reports do not cancel out repeatedly being relieved of duty. You would need to supervise him closely. A lot depends on the circumstances. Perhaps he just had a bad spell - e.g. as a result of adverse personal circumstances, like a close relative being killed - which may offer some mitigation.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Where Hubbard stole the 2% rule, or for ex-staff Why you never got promoted in Scient

http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/hubbard2percentrule.htm

Where Hubbard stole the 2% rule, or for ex-staff
Why you never got promoted in Scientology

From pages 28 and 29 of William Sargant's
Battle for the Mind - a physiology of conversion and brainwashing
ISBN 1-883536-06-5
Essential reading for all combatants

"In November, 1944, Swank still felt that an occasional soldier, "perhaps less than 2%", belonged to the group capable of withstanding combat stress for an inordinate length of time. But we find him reporting in 1946:"

"This seemed true...in November 1944. Since then we have concluded that all normal men eventually suffer combat exhaustion in continuous and severe combat. The exception to this rule are psychotic (insane) soldiers, and a number of examples of this have been observed."

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"Combat Exhaustion"

( a curve, indicating combat efficiency that rises for 20 days, the first ten days allows the combatant to become "battle-wise", entering a period of peak performance described as "period of maximum efficiency", then combat efficiency starts to drop off as he enters a period of overconfidence, and then a hyper-reactive stage (where the slightest incident provokes and enormous response).. his efficiency starts to drop rapidly entering a period called emotional exhaustion, which bottoms out at zero combat efficiency -The vegetative phase )

(The description of the stages above, gives us many clues - it provides the 'why' for both scientology's PR/de-popularization/harassment AND baratrous litigation tactics, Hubbard knew that if enough pressure and stress was applied, constantly, that the target would p[ass through each of these stages. It would be when the target reached emotional exhaustion or vegetative state, that settlement talks would be started, for example..)

"Since certain techniques of religious and political conversion can be made quite as fearful and as exhausting to the brain as active combat experiences, the importance of Swank's findings must be very heavily stressed. His statistical clinical facts should be brought home especially to those who believe that the avoidance of breakdown in battle, or under brain-washing, is simply a matter of excercising sufficient will-power and courage. On the contrary, the continued excercise of will-power and courage may, in certain circumstances, exhaust the brain and hasten a final collapse. When dogs co-operate in testing their tolerance to stress they are all the easier to break down: the loyal efforts they make prove their own undoing."

"Normally it seems, the human nervous system, like the dog's, is in a state of dynamic equilibrium between excitation and inhibition. But if subjected to excessive stimulation it can pass into the same states of excessive excitation or excessive inhibition which Pavlov described in his dogs. the brain then becomes incapable, for the time being, of its usual intelligent functioning."

(it will be at this point that Scientology will want to make that video depostion, or record as evidence of character, something that the target said or did after being induced by Scientology's own tactics to reach this point, will be turned into an albatross, that the target will be forced to wear until the end of time.)

(Swanks findings provide combatants in the war to expose scientology with other valuable clues:

(1) providing us with the "why" scientology seems to like to recruit and encourage nutballs to partake in their efforts on their behalf .

(2) Provides us with the "why" some people get promoted in scientology. This is also the "WHY" for the terrific and constant internal stress levels inside this scam. For example, Hubbard's Statistics and management by condition formula, place a staff member in an impossible situation, an extraordinarily stressful situation. Did you ever wonder what the point of it was? Increasing "production" was his "shore story", Careful reading and understanding of the previous paragraphs leads me to conclude that Hubbard's management by statistics and harsh conditions and penalties, causes the real "2 percenters" to rise to the top of this organization like scum.

And that's where he wanted them, because he knew they could produce more without stopping, and he knew how to control them, because he knew Sargant, Swank and Pavlov's technologies and observations.

Hubbard also lived in constant fear, that his scam would all come crashing down someday, which was another reason he wanted everything done "NOW".

This is what we are dealing with.

Sincerely

Arnie Lerma
(c) 2003 Arnaldo Lerma

In psychology, Transmarginal inhibition, or TMI, is an organism's response to overwhelming stimuli.

Ivan Pavlov enumerated details of TMI on his work of conditioning animals to pain. He found that organisms responded had different levels of tolerance. He commented "that the most basic inherited difference among people was how soon they reached this shutdown point and that the quick-to-shut-down have a fundamentally different type of nervous system."

The sudden conversion methods of mental conditioning rely heavily on TMI. Of the ten elements of control (environment control, physical fatigue, mental fatigue, tension or uncertainty, confession, superstimulation, crisis, euphoria, proselytization, and restimulation), six can be seen as stimulation toward TMI. Organizations that practice sudden conversion, such as military boot camps, prisons, and extreme psychiatric treatments, often have individuals enter TMI states which may result in permanent psychological damage.

Patients who have reached this shutdown point often become socially dysfunctional or develop one of several personality disorders. Often patients who dissociate during and after the experience, will more easily dissociate or shut down during stressful or painful experiences, and may experience post traumatic stress disorder for the remainder of their lives.

There are three stages passed through for state of TMI to be reached. The first, equivalent phase, is when the response matches the stimuli, which is considered the normal baseline behavior. The paradoxical phase occurs when small stimuli receive major response and a major stimuli elicit small responses. Finally, the ultra-paradoxical stage where negative stimulation results in positive responses and vice versa. Additional research on these phases was done by William Sargant in his work on shell-shocked servicemen.

An organism can progress through these stages by increased stimulation, random negative stimulation, reversing positive and negative stimulation, or physically debilitating the organism.

How much can the human nervous system withstand, when dianetics/scientology also assimilates, "excessive excitation" with electricity from the E-Meter and "excessive inhibition" through the constant use of suggestion and hypnosis?

More on William Sargant:
Scientology and Communism

Sources of Scientology

"Communism is the death of the soul. It is the organization of total conformity--in short, of tyranny--and it is committed to making tyranny universal."

[Adlai E. Stevenson]

...as is Scientology
 

Infinite

Troublesome Internet Fringe Dweller
Huh? Perhaps you should look up non sequitur . . .

Thank you, though, for proving, once again, that L Ron Hubbard was nothing but a troublesome and incompetent soldier. Even as your quote proves, L Ron Hubbard *never* saw *any* combat - thus, it is impossible for him to have suffered combat fatigue.

The most likely explanation of his behaviour while in uniform is that he was nutty even prior to his service.
 

AnonKat

Crusader
LOL

Huh? Perhaps you should look up non sequitur . . .

Thank you, though, for proving, once again, that L Ron Hubbard was nothing but a troublesome and incompetent soldier. Even as your quote proves, L Ron Hubbard *never* saw *any* combat - thus, it is impossible for him to have suffered combat fatigue.

The most likely explanation of his behaviour while in uniform is that he was nutty even prior to his service.

Just looking at both sides , Seems he couldn't take any pressure well.
 
Just looking at both sides , Seems he couldn't take any pressure well.

I can't quite think of anyone else who spent the majority of their life in hiding or anyone else who created a fake navy and sets of to sea to hide from facing his problems, or anyone let his wife go to prison rather than face his problems. Hubbard spent his entire adult life inebriated fantasy and then drifted into insanity. Reality and Hubbard were certainly not friends, in fact reality terrified Hubbard so much that he created a role playing fantasy game known as Scientology to hide from it, and set a goal to drag as many people into it with him as possible.


To say Hubbard was a weak-minded individual who couldn't handle pressure well would be a huge understatement
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Impressive

In that light it is Impressive what he created to not face his own problems


I can't quite think of anyone else who spent the majority of their life in hiding or anyone else who created a fake navy and sets of to sea to hide from facing his problems, or anyone let his wife go to prison rather than face his problems. Hubbard spent his entire adult life inebriated fantasy and then drifted into insanity. Reality and Hubbard were certainly not friends, in fact reality terrified Hubbard so much that he created a role playing fantasy game known as Scientology to hide from it, and set a goal to drag as many people into it with him as possible.


To say Hubbard was a weak-minded individual who couldn't handle pressure well would be a huge understatement
 
In that light it is Impressive what he created to not face his own problems

He was ambitious, there is no denying that and he was a gifted con man,

after reading his affirmations, Hubbard had to become famous, this was not optional for him, if he didn't accomplish anything worthy of fame he would just pretend he did.

There is little doubt that his parents messed his head up something awful,
 

The Great Zorg

Gold Meritorious Patron
He was ambitious, there is no denying that and he was a gifted con man,

after reading his affirmations, Hubbard had to become famous, this was not optional for him, if he didn't accomplish anything worthy of fame he would just pretend he did.

There is little doubt that his parents messed his head up something awful,

Something messed Hubbard up severly! He was at least, insane, prolly from buying into the pure delsuional world that he "mocked up". :confused2:

That can happen when one dabbles with evil and it's spells and conjourings. :confused2:
 

AnonKat

Crusader
Now, there's something that would explain a lot. Certainly Hubbard's misogyny and his eagerness to shatter any semblance of family life within his cult.

Not always true, he did life the family life up to a point. But it became different when his children devellopped minds of their own
 
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