I been independent for a year there are a lot of intolerant church scientologist reaching my universe, the mental and physical abuse I receive daily is disgusting, hard hold down, swollen ankles burst capillaries in my feet and the response, ITS TOUGH I'm getting in and if it's through you SO WHAT who you going to tell, no one will believe you. I smash back then get enturbulated on everyday purposes, like eating, overwhelmed by the person impinging their beingness. Facial features and movements not mine. Low scale beingness, I now walk with 2 canes and have to tell work colleagues and friends it's Arthiritis, very Civilised beingness.I started a thread to document the current abuses and crimes of David Miscavige and the current "Church" of scientology as these are continuing to this day and Karen #1 has done a wonderful job posting information on that.
However it started with Hubbard, and no matter the argument that he is long gone, the truth is that he is the source of the policies that are still followed and will continue to be until the whole truth is known. His attitudes, cruelty, and actions are responsible for the current and past dreadful abuses throughout scientology history and I want to bring together all the personal accounts of those who knew or were affected by them.
There is no question about the need to make Miscavige accountable for his crimes, the danger lies in thinking he alone is responsible and that suddenly all would be ok if he is removed when the original policy and attitudes remain.
I'll add to this thread tomorrow when I have time to research, meantime here are two videos from Hana Whitfield with her personal experience of Hubbard and how he treated staff.
(Background info first, stories start appox 7:00)
Maybe this will help...I been independent for a year there are a lot of intolerant church scientologist reaching my universe, the mental and physical abuse I receive daily is disgusting, hard hold down, swollen ankles burst capillaries in my feet and the response, ITS TOUGH I'm getting in and if it's through you SO WHAT who you going to tell, no one will believe you. I smash back then get enturbulated on everyday purposes, like eating, overwhelmed by the person impinging their beingness. Facial features and movements not mine. Low scale beingness, I now walk with 2 canes and have to tell work colleagues and friends it's Arthiritis, very Civilised beingness.
Someone somewhere has to pass laws where overts committed by church members can be reported and appropriate legal actions taken. If someone attacked you in person you could charge them with a crime, as theres no way to prove the assault apart from videos where enturbulation is occuring, even then maybe seen as a lunatic ranting at evil impingement. Get together report it, keep proof and hold to account the individuals responsible then make it publicly known so others can report and stop the abuse.
I am not an attorney but this isn't a legal situation. A person does not have to "resign" from the Church of Scientology! No one has any legal (or moral) obligation to the Church of Scientology at any time! If a person no longer agrees with the Church of Scientology, THAT'S IT. No further steps need to be taken, no notification needs to be given, no obligation or burden exists. You simply stop participating.Maybe this will help...
https://scientologymoneyproject.com...d-harming-its-own-members-and-how-to-stop-it/
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As an aside, what this tells us is that the Scientologist who wishes to resign from the Church in order to escape its oppression and abuse is free to do so by sending the Church a written statement of resignation that includes a specific withdrawal of one’s consent to be governed by Scientology’s doctrinal rules. (And please note that I am not an attorney; this article may not be relied upon for legal advice. Please consult a licensed attorney in your state for specific legal advice about your particular situation.)
The point here is that anyone desiring to resign from a church and withdraw their consent to be governed by the rules of that church must make a positive act. This means writing a letter to appropriate church officials specifically stating one’s resignation and withdrawal of consent. In the case of the Church of Scientology one needs to resign from the IAS, the Church of Scientology International, and all Orgs where one has signed membership services contracts and had services; the positive act should be as broad and sweeping as possible.
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A franchise mission 5 year staff contract can only be enforced, within Scientology, if the staffer wants to go back after blowing.<snip>
I do not know about a 2 1/2 year or 5 year "staff contract" but the "Sea Org Billion Year Contract" has ZERO legal status.
Many contracts are often signed when one is involved with the criminal cult of scientology. Until the cult is fully convicted in criminal court, then there is some merit to giving qualified legal consideration with respect to any contracts whether verbal or written involving that criminal cult.I am not an attorney but this isn't a legal situation. A person does not have to "resign" from the Church of Scientology! No one has any legal (or moral) obligation to the Church of Scientology at any time! If a person no longer agrees with the Church of Scientology, THAT'S IT. No further steps need to be taken, no notification needs to be given, no obligation or burden exists. You simply stop participating.
One can, and should, demand their money back -- good luck with that -- but that would be the extent of any legal actions and that is completely optional.
I do not know about a 2 1/2 year or 5 year "staff contract" but the "Sea Org Billion Year Contract" has ZERO legal status.
Yeah, that's a good idea when it comes to any legal action against the church, as we've seen. However, there is absolutely no obligation to "resign" from the church as the article stated. That's really stupid.Many contracts are often signed when one is involved with the criminal cult of scientology. Until the cult is fully convicted in criminal court, then there is some merit to giving qualified legal consideration with respect to any contracts whether verbal or written involving that criminal cult.
In the case that Jeffrey cites my impression is that by giving notice they were setting the groundwork for a case and it worked. Maybe the notice in itself isn't the basis for legal action but if someone is stalking you or committing libel such a notice establishes that there is a known situation which the stalker knowingly and deliberately continues. In other words, you are removing their argument that it was a one off incident attributable to some clerical error or irresponsible underling, etc.I am not an attorney but this isn't a legal situation. A person does not have to "resign" from the Church of Scientology! No one has any legal (or moral) obligation to the Church of Scientology at any time! If a person no longer agrees with the Church of Scientology, THAT'S IT. No further steps need to be taken, no notification needs to be given, no obligation or burden exists. You simply stop participating.
One can, and should, demand their money back -- good luck with that -- but that would be the extent of any legal actions and that is completely optional.
I do not know about a 2 1/2 year or 5 year "staff contract" but the "Sea Org Billion Year Contract" has ZERO legal status.
Don't forget that current contracts call the staff member a "volunteer" (which makes absolutely no sense).I am not an attorney but this isn't a legal situation. A person does not have to "resign" from the Church of Scientology! No one has any legal (or moral) obligation to the Church of Scientology at any time! If a person no longer agrees with the Church of Scientology, THAT'S IT. No further steps need to be taken, no notification needs to be given, no obligation or burden exists. You simply stop participating.
One can, and should, demand their money back -- good luck with that -- but that would be the extent of any legal actions and that is completely optional.
I do not know about a 2 1/2 year or 5 year "staff contract" but the "Sea Org Billion Year Contract" has ZERO legal status.
It makes total sense if you don't intend to pay them anything.Don't forget that current contracts call the staff member a "volunteer" (which makes absolutely no sense).
Or you don't want labor laws to apply.It makes total sense if you don't intend to pay them anything.
Yes and no.I am not an attorney but this isn't a legal situation. A person does not have to "resign" from the Church of Scientology! No one has any legal (or moral) obligation to the Church of Scientology at any time! If a person no longer agrees with the Church of Scientology, THAT'S IT. No further steps need to be taken, no notification needs to be given, no obligation or burden exists. You simply stop participating.
One can, and should, demand their money back -- good luck with that -- but that would be the extent of any legal actions and that is completely optional.
I do not know about a 2 1/2 year or 5 year "staff contract" but the "Sea Org Billion Year Contract" has ZERO legal status.
Welcome new member!I been independent for a year there are a lot of intolerant church scientologist reaching my universe, the mental and physical abuse I receive daily is disgusting, hard hold down, swollen ankles burst capillaries in my feet and the response, ITS TOUGH I'm getting in and if it's through you SO WHAT who you going to tell, no one will believe you. I smash back then get enturbulated on everyday purposes, like eating, overwhelmed by the person impinging their beingness. Facial features and movements not mine. Low scale beingness, I now walk with 2 canes and have to tell work colleagues and friends it's Arthiritis, very Civilised beingness.
Someone somewhere has to pass laws where overts committed by church members can be reported and appropriate legal actions taken. If someone attacked you in person you could charge them with a crime, as theres no way to prove the assault apart from videos where enturbulation is occuring, even then maybe seen as a lunatic ranting at evil impingement. Get together report it, keep proof and hold to account the individuals responsible then make it publicly known so others can report and stop the abuse.
The agreements are all designed to protect the church from any and all liability. That is, they are all designed to protect the church from you. And, I don't think that "resigning" legally negates any such agreements. After all, you can't just "resign" from your mortgage and magically erase your debt. The Garcias, for instance, were no longer Scientologists but were still bound by the agreements they signed while in.Yes and no.
Over the years where you were a Scientologist, you signed stacks and stacks of agreements giving up various rights. It makes sense to legally notify them that you regard all such agreements as now being void.
Leland said:Perhaps some lawyer could draft a sort of catch-all document to legally sever any ties for an individual from the cult? A uniform doc would be interesting.
I think the reason this isn't discussed much on this forum is probably because most of us think it is bunkum. Scientologists don't have any special powers to engage in spiritual or mental attacks.Welcome new member!
I too function under continual spiritual, mental and physical attacks from the Cult. I left about 17 years ago....and it started then. It has never stopped ....
Not much is talked about these types of attacks on this forum. It seems that not all ex-s have to bare up under this sort of thing....but I believe many do.
Good luck to you.
Exactly, like voodoo -- it only works if you believe it works and are told it is being done. Whenever I hear from someone about "Scientologists" conducting "mental attacks" I get upset. THERE ARE NO OTs.I think the reason this isn't discussed much on this forum is probably because most of us think it is bunkum. Scientologists don't have any special powers to engage in spiritual or mental attacks.
If you think someone can affect you mentally then you will be affected. If you think they can't then you won't. Simple as that IMO.