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Larry Dossey, M.D.

Cat's Squirrel

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Going back to 2010, Ted and Roger made a couple of posts in the "Apollo" thread which relate to the work of Larry Dossey, M.D.

The discussion wasn't taken up from there but I think it deserves to be seen again;

Entire article here: Remote Human Functioning

Although Dr. Dossey believes premonitions can be an invaluable tool within the field of health and medicine, this may not be the most important take-home message from this phenomenon.

"Over the years, I have come to believe that even though these practices -- such as prayer, meditation and so on -- can give us a health advantage… I think the messages that are most important are what they imply about the destiny of human beings, and the nature of your own consciousness.

… If you have some non-local quality in your mind which says that it is infinite in space and time -- which I firmly believe is pointed to by the data -- that's a way of saying that there is some quality of human consciousness that's immortal, that is eternal; that is not located specifically to a point in time…

I think these studies in remote human functioning, psychologically speaking, point like an arrow to immortality.

… I think it totally turns around the old materialistic notion we've lived with for the past 200 years in science, which says that when you die; when your brain dies and your body rots, that's the end of everything.

These studies say that's not the end of everything. That's hardly the beginning. There is no beginning. There is no end… because we're not local with respect to time.

In some sense, we have an immortal quality to our consciousness. I think that's the biggest lesson we can gain from this work."


:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Very good info to see some in science are getting it right and embracing some higher level truths.

Dr. Mercola is one of my favourite, honest science people.:yes:

Good to have posted this Ted. It gives more validity and a more acceptable reality to the things we here see that some are wont to put down. :yes::yes:

Rog

and here's a link to Dr. Dossey's website;

http://www.dosseydossey.com/larry/default.html

See what you think.
 

JustSheila

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Thanks, Cat. I like that first quote.

Here are a few of my favourite quotes that are variants of the same sort of concept:

"Cogito ergo sum" Rene Descartes

"a belief in all-pervading spiritual agencies seems to be universal" Charles Darwin

"The things that we love tell us what we are." Thomas Aquinas
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WildKat

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"The things that we love tell us what we are." Thomas Aquinas
:)

I love cats. And cats (at least those contented cats who are "worshipped" by their "owners") are Zen Masters....ergo....I am a Zen Master...

...or at least trying to be!
 

JustSheila

Crusader
I love parrots.

There's a wild mother cockatoo with two babies with Beak and Feather disease. She keeps coming back here with the babies even though I haven't fed the wild ones in weeks. It has been raining a lot, and it's harder for them to feed themselves when it's this wet, too. Mama doesn't know what to do to help her babies (because they can't crack seed like normal cockies), so she brings them here.

Both babies have bad beaks, one much worse than the other, and that one was starving. The crying about drove me crazy with heartache. I had to give them something, but the babies don't trust me enough to catch them. Seeded bread is okay, but it makes the beaks worse much more quickly because the beaks get soft and infected from the stuck bread and yeast in it.

All I had that made sense was cooked white rice. So I put it out on the deck rails.

Mama had to teach the little ones that it was okay to eat. They were very happy with it. Ah, I love those birds so much. So they get another few weeks of life, of freedom, of family, love and flying.

I can give that much, right? It's hard to see wild diseased birds or animals like that who won't live long. The vets have all been ordered to destroy any beak & feather babies.

Animals don't think about that though. Every day of life is precious. They don't worry. Every day of life and freedom is a gift.
 

Cat's Squirrel

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I love cats. And cats (at least those contented cats who are "worshipped" by their "owners") are Zen Masters....ergo....I am a Zen Master...

...or at least trying to be!

Cats as Zen masters? Interesting theory, they could be. I used to rent a room in a house where the owner had a black cat, and sometimes I would see him crouched down low on the sofa looking forward, very still yet seemingly intensely alert, looking for or doing ... what? I never found or figured it out.

I've long had a theory that cats are four-legged martial arts masters. It's quite something to watch a cat make a big jump up onto a roof from a wall. It has remarkable grace and economy of movement, and doesn't waste any energy at all.

(The neighbours' cats still crap in my garden from time to time though. Boo!)
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
I love parrots.

There's a wild mother cockatoo with two babies with Beak and Feather disease. She keeps coming back here with the babies even though I haven't fed the wild ones in weeks. It has been raining a lot, and it's harder for them to feed themselves when it's this wet, too. Mama doesn't know what to do to help her babies (because they can't crack seed like normal cockies), so she brings them here.

Both babies have bad beaks, one much worse than the other, and that one was starving. The crying about drove me crazy with heartache. I had to give them something, but the babies don't trust me enough to catch them. Seeded bread is okay, but it makes the beaks worse much more quickly because the beaks get soft and infected from the stuck bread and yeast in it.

All I had that made sense was cooked white rice. So I put it out on the deck rails.

Mama had to teach the little ones that it was okay to eat. They were very happy with it. Ah, I love those birds so much. So they get another few weeks of life, of freedom, of family, love and flying.

I can give that much, right? It's hard to see wild diseased birds or animals like that who won't live long. The vets have all been ordered to destroy any beak & feather babies.

Animals don't think about that though. Every day of life is precious. They don't worry. Every day of life and freedom is a gift.

I hesitate to rain on your happiness at giving these birds some more time on this Earth, but is it really a good idea to give birds with a contagious viral disease more time to spread it into the environment?

Beak and Feather disease :
Transmission of the virus from one individual to another is primarily through direct contact, inhalation or ingestion of aerosols, crop-feeding, infected fecal material, and feather dust. The virus can also be transmitted via contaminated surfaces such as bird carriers, feeding formula, utensils, food dishes, clothing, and nesting materials. The viral particles, if not destroyed can remain viable in the environment for months, long after the infected bird is gone.
 

JustSheila

Crusader
I hesitate to rain on your happiness at giving these birds some more time on this Earth, but is it really a good idea to give birds with a contagious viral disease more time to spread it into the environment?

It's not contagious in that way, Enthetan, and not contagious to healthy, adult birds. It's also not that simple. I wish it were. The mother is healthy and normal, btw.

The nests are old, high up where nobody can reach them, and a lack of nests and high trees means they are re-used over & over again, and infected with the virus. They have found it is mainly the newborn babies that contract it in the nest, though old birds that are already sick and weak are susceptible.

But as I said, it's not that simple. It's extremely difficult to catch a cockatoo. I'm better at it than the environmental people I've had here in the past. I am trying, but the trust factor isn't there yet to get the babies close enough, mom isn't yet willing to let them go (on rare occasions, sometimes the wild ones actually do drop off sick, infected babies to me). The babies fly quite well - and I can't yet get within five feet of them without them flying off. From their behaviour, it's clear others have tried to catch them and failed, which makes it even harder.

I would much rather they were put down quietly and peacefully by a vet than die starving and in agony from internal problems from the disease or fall from the sky when they are too weak and lie there smashed and broken, suffering, waiting to die. That's what normally happens.

The flocks do not want them around and shoo them off, so there isn't much chance of even old, sick birds catching it. This isn't hearsay - I've spoken to the avian vets and also worked with aviaries that mixed hundreds of beak & feather diseased birds with regular birds and never once, in over 30 years, has a healthy bird gotten infected from a Beak & Feather bird in those aviaries.

It's not happiness, it breaks my heart. I know my responsibility and it's heavy on my heart. Strangely, I believe the mother knows she must eventually let them go to die with me, too. They are the only birds coming here now. It will take at least a week before I can get them to be close enough to me to catch. Hopefully by then, the mother will be willing to let them go so I can take them to be put down. They are parrots. They understand more than you think.


As I have segregated, cared for and eventually taken to be put down dozens of other wild birds infected with beak & feather disease over the last twelve years. They're sweet, they are babies, it tears me apart to do it. There's no joy in it, Enthetan, except to see the babies share their mother's love without the hunger for another day until the final day comes.

ADDED: Enthetan, I have a lot of experience at this and I'm very, very good. I'm no longer the tourist who moved to Australia 14 years ago. I've volunteered thousands of hours caring for these birds in the last 12 years, built and maintained dozens of aviaries and helped other aviaries for a very long time. I work together with all the vets, and I was trained by very experienced, knowledgeable people. I am an Australian wildlife carer and respected locally here for my skills and expertise with the wild parrots. I am doing my best. Hopefully I'll have the birds before I move out.
 
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