I can see it now.Oh they're really likely to send some local OSA person to try and "handle" Mike...
People are justly angry at Mike Rinder. He did hurt a lot of people.
I was wondering -
at what point could he get forgiveness from those angry, hurt, affected, etc- by his actions?
And I don't mean this sarcastically. And I'm not chiding anybody.
Would he need to "strike an effective blow" at the church to get forgiveness from some?
I think it's to his credit that he left.
He should have left much sooner. I don't know why he didn't. Might have been fear.
I've been seeing posts on various forums indicating that Rinder should be on the receiving end for a change, since he hurt so many people.
I can really understand this. But at what point do we say "good on ya for leaving the cult. We wish you well."
The text in bold is parts of a previous post BFG was replying to.
In regards to Mike Rinder - first of all, Rinder did not fall. His rose up and got out. Best thing he ever did for any of us or himself. When someone is at the Int Base, they have been brainwashed and poisoned by Dave Miscavige into thinking a certain way. In Mike’s eyes, he was doing what was best for the entire human race and all eternity. It took awhile, but through years of abuse, he was able to see that this was not the case and he got out.
So now that he is out and that is in the past, let’s try not to trash talk the hell out of him. He has to start his entire life over now. I would think that all that he has been subjected to over the last 30 years would be enough punishment for whatever wrong was done during that same time.
I agree 100 percent.
Also I think Rinder did one hell of a job for the Church. I don't care what Jason said about his persona , he was taught to lie, even drilled. He always looked like a million bucks on television and since he has left the Church has folded into an avalanche of out PR. He did a great job in PR, he could work anywhere in Beverly Hills for a PR firm with his experience. He should be running the PR for the White house. That he lied per his ordered checksheet in the name of saving mankind , O.K., he was duped like so many of the rest of us.
Also Dave is often working on 750,000 items at the same time.
What illusion that man generates! All of his products are overt products.
This is how most people are removed from post. From either submitting something to him that is so destructive to scientology that they must be removed from post, or they were someone on the submission routing who rubber stamped it and passed it on to Dave.
Good for him when his tone level can fluctuate from punishing bodies to blame.
Ray Mitoff approved the last Dianetics How–To video without even reading the CSW or watching the video!!!!!! This was the video that was going to teach millions of people how to audit Dianetics, and Ray did not even watch it. It was submitted through him to Dave for Technical side check. Needless to say, when quizzed on the video by Dave Miscavige, Ray did not fair to well and another staff beating was added to Dave’s long list.
Ray Mithoff has offered nothing valuable to the church either. As senior CS he sent all those people to do ot8 and they had to be told to go back onto 7 and three different versions of OT8 had to be released. What an idiot.
The point of all this is, that Dave was not distracted by the BBC thing or the Basics release. Dave is so psychotically dispersed onto the above list and 50,000 other things that he is on full time crazy mode and how he is able to do anything is a miracle.
I am beginning to suspect you are a PR plant for DM. (ha ha)
Tom is so hardcore that he poses a threat to Dave. He could publicly denounce Dave and then Dave would have a real big problem on his hand. Tom could also walk away and Dave would have an equally big problem on his hands. Dave has a very delicate situation with Tom Cruise now.
What a ptp!
Dave once had kept Mike up for days on a case and when Dave left and Mike had a chance, he put his face down on a desk in corner and slept. Dave knew that Mike would try and get some sleep so Dave had Jeff Baker (photographer) shoot about 50 photos of Mike sleeping so that Dave could show everybody what mike was doing while Dave was “working”. This is one of thousands of tactics that Dave would use to get people to work for days on end with no sleep. Dave showed these photos on at least 10 occasions afterwards, even YEARS later!
What a sadistic little bas.....
Super Power Building will not be released/opened until:
The super power rundowns have been getting delivered in the Freezone for quite some time now.
1. The rundown itself is completed.
The rundown was completed before Hubbard passed away. Otherwise you are suggesting super power is developed by someone else. It was not.
It has been being piloted for the last 20 years to no result.
The super power has been getting delivered in the Freezone with remarkable results.
Until next time… BFG
I disagree. I hold no particular grudge against Mike Rinder, but, it's not enough that he's saved his own skin, while allowing the wholesale atrocity to continue.
While an argument can be made that *every* Scientologist is both 'perpetrator' and 'victim' to some extent, Mike Rinder definitely falls hard to the perpetrator range and owes his fellow Scientologists and society as a whole far more than a mere escape and 'getting on with his life'.
More than most others, Rinder has it in his power to end the Cult once and for all, and, until he does so, by assisting police authorities in investigating and prosecuting the 'Church' and his fellow perps, he's a long way from off the hook.
Does that mean 'trash talking' him? No. Mike was a criminal in a criminal organization. That's not trash talk. I'm sure he's a really nice guy, in the right circumstances, but he owes.