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Lawrence Wright's "Going Clear" on New York Times Bestseller List!

Miss Ellie

Miss Ellie
Re: Lawrence Wright's new book January release date

I just read the whole thing, cover to cover, in less than 24 hours. Some I knew some I didn't... gave me a lot to chew on. I walked out when I was 18 - I was just gone & never made a big deal out of it. Had family & friends still in. As they came out I could relax - some took longer than others.

I understand that not everything every ex says is true... but I damn sure know that nothing the church says is true. The person speaking may think it is true but he is a parrot repeating the verse given by the church.

One day the lid will blow…. COB will vanish with money & everyone else will be holding the bag. I personally think they will go down trying to keep the emperor happy – and no one has the nerve to tell him he has no clothes.
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
Going Clear, page 36.

He also wrote of his concerns about masturbation, which at the time was considered a sign of moral weakness that could also lead to many physical ailments, such as weak eyesight, impotence and insanity.

So... Hubbard...

Living proof that masturbation does indeed cause weak eyesight, impotence and insanity? Or merely the exception that proves the rule?
 

Red Valiant

Patron with Honors
Going Clear, page 36.



So... Hubbard...

Living proof that masturbation does indeed cause weak eyesight, impotence and insanity? Or merely the exception that proves the rule?

Hub's was soooo into mental masterbation, at some he lost his connection to those things physical in the real world. If he were alive today, Dr's would have hayday with his infinite contemplations.
 

Gib

Crusader
Hubbard himself even had a term for such a larger view of things - the "multiple viewpoint system" (from the Data Series and "evaluator tech"). It is a good way to deal with things, except that in Scientology they DON'T!!!!!!!!! Just another contradiction within Hubbard's overall contrary subject.

In Scientology multiple viewpoints are not tolerated - ONLY Ron's is allowed, and only Scientology management's is forwarded. Any other viewpoint is attacked and handled.

Hubbard positioned himself nicely by dedicating some books to Will Durant and others. I well remember when I first read the hubbard books back in 1987 and I had the thoughts that I guess he read all those books by the authors he mentioned and organized the data so that us laymen could understand. But it's funny because there are no footnotes in any books mentioning where he got the data. And because I thought he read them all, why I didn't need to verify any of it. Oh my, me stupid, hook line and sinker, I got hooked alright.

When I first read Dianetics, I did not know he was a science fiction writer.

And then coupled with the PTS tech and PTS A-J, and Hard Sell being applied to me and not even knowing about Hard Sell, why there went my critical thinking skills into looking at other sources, and I didn't even realize it. I completely lost my critical thinking skills regarding scientology, but not in other things like just buying a car to see which one is best.
 

HelluvaHoax!

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OMG, I did not know that the Jo'burg contained a question about having sex with a member of another race! WTF!!


When I had a Jo'burg it read on that question. That "other race" thing stumped me but then I remembered that I had sex with a Homo Novis with big breasts who worked in central files.

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OMG, I did not know that the Jo'burg contained a question about having sex with a member of another race! WTF!!

yeah, that's the johannesburg security check PR. at the time of it's writing one of the apartheid laws forbade interracial sex. actually i think some southern states in america still had anti-miscegenation laws on the books as well

the best of ron's writings have a true timeless quality to them but CoS is increasingly hamstrung as the years go by from writings which become increasingly dated.
 

ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
Re: Lawrence Wright's new book January release date

New 45-min Lawrence Wright interview (with phone calls).

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http://onpoint.wbur.org/2013/02/12/the-secret-world-of-scientology
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
yeah, that's the johannesburg security check PR. at the time of it's writing one of the apartheid laws forbade interracial sex. actually i think some southern states in america still had anti-miscegenation laws on the books as well

the best of ron's writings have a true timeless quality to them but CoS is increasingly hamstrung as the years go by from writings which become increasingly dated.

I guess people got chitted for going out-apartheid.
 
OMG, I did not know that the Jo'burg contained a question about having sex with a member of another race! WTF!!

Given the time & customs it's actually not that surprising. What is now seen as nothing especially noteworthy, gay sex, interracial sex, private masturbation, etc., was commonly viewed from a much more judgemental aspect at the time. As a result, something of that nature could act as a "withhold" in a session setting and interfere with a pcs progress.

The real question boils down to whether the pc sees the event as some sort of "overt" or other item which "must be withheld". If so then identifying the issue can be helpful in an auditing session, and Jo'burgs are often given in auditing. I've known pcs to give up "overts" and "withholds" which really weren't anything terribly shocking or "sinful" but about which the pc himself felt "shame" or had some sort of feeling of discomfort in "being found out".

In every instance discussing the "withhold" improved the session communication and the pc's attitude and sense of well-being. In fact, it often enough lead to some subsequent cognition relevant to the circumstance.

Jo'burgs are not innately "punitive" in themselves. Even when given in ethics. It's a matter of how they are delivered and what treatment results from their administration. They can be quite enjoyable. It's all a matter of intention.


Mark A. Baker
 

Purple Rain

Crusader
Given the time & customs it's actually not that surprising. What is now seen as nothing especially noteworthy, gay sex, interracial sex, private masturbation, etc., was commonly viewed from a much more judgemental aspect at the time. As a result, something of that nature could act as a "withhold" in a session setting and interfere with a pcs progress.

The real question boils down to whether the pc sees the event as some sort of "overt" or other item which "must be withheld". If so then identifying the issue can be helpful in an auditing session, and Jo'burgs are often given in auditing. I've known pcs to give up "overts" and "withholds" which really weren't anything terribly shocking or "sinful" but about which the pc himself felt "shame" or had some sort of feeling of discomfort in "being found out".

In every instance discussing the "withhold" improved the session communication and the pc's attitude and sense of well-being. In fact, it often enough lead to some subsequent cognition relevant to the circumstance.

Jo'burgs are not innately "punitive" in themselves. Even when given in ethics. It's a matter of how they are delivered and what treatment results from their administration. They can be quite enjoyable. It's all a matter of intention.


Mark A. Baker

Well, this is another reason why it's not good to have immutable, "infallible" "tech". If it had been started long enough ago there would probably be some question about if you'd failed to put your woman in an iron branks for backflashing you. But as far as shame and witholds go, I am ashamed that I did not even notice these sorts of questions. I'm not sure whether I've ever had a Jo'burg but I have had sec checks including the 2D sec check. Is that question on there? What shocks me is that I was not shocked and outraged - that I could EVER have supported such an organisation. I mean it was not the 1950s it was the bloody 1980s and 90s that I was in. I'm still WTFing on this.
 

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something of that nature could act as a "withhold" in a session setting and interfere with a pcs progress.

The real question boils down to whether the pc sees the event as some sort of "overt" or other item which "must be withheld". If so then identifying the issue can be helpful in an auditing session, and Jo'burgs are often given in auditing.

-snip-

Amazing.


Have you ever.....?

Hubbard abolished privacy and took ownership of people's thoughts, and used the pretense of "mental healing" to do so.

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A small sampling of some of Hubbard's Sec Check questions:



Have you ever had any unkind thoughts about L. Ron Hubbard?

Have you ever done anything your mother would be ashamed to find out?

Have you ever had anything to do with pornography?

Have you ever practiced homosexuality?

Have you ever exhibited yourself sexually?

Have you ever practiced sodomy?

Have you ever made a practice of having sex with a member of your own sex?

Do you collect sexual objects?

Have you ever practiced masturbation?


Are you withholding anything?

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HelluvaHoax!

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Given the time & customs it's actually not that surprising. What is now seen as nothing especially noteworthy, gay sex, interracial sex, private masturbation, etc., was commonly viewed from a much more judgemental aspect at the time. As a result, something of that nature could act as a "withhold" in a session setting and interfere with a pcs progress.

The real question boils down to whether the pc sees the event as some sort of "overt" or other item which "must be withheld". If so then identifying the issue can be helpful in an auditing session, and Jo'burgs are often given in auditing. I've known pcs to give up "overts" and "withholds" which really weren't anything terribly shocking or "sinful" but about which the pc himself felt "shame" or had some sort of feeling of discomfort in "being found out".

In every instance discussing the "withhold" improved the session communication and the pc's attitude and sense of well-being. In fact, it often enough lead to some subsequent cognition relevant to the circumstance.

Jo'burgs are not innately "punitive" in themselves. Even when given in ethics. It's a matter of how they are delivered and what treatment results from their administration. They can be quite enjoyable. It's all a matter of intention.


Sec checks "can be quite enjoyable"?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Surveying some new TrollTech there Baker?

LURKERS NOTE: Baker has been trying to handle his "case" for over 30 years using the "tech". He seems to finally be on to something for you masochists out there.
 

Freeminds

Bitter defrocked apostate
Sec checks "can be quite enjoyable"?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Surveying some new TrollTech there Baker?

LURKERS NOTE: Baker has been trying to handle his "case" for over 30 years using the "tech". He seems to finally be on to something for you masochists out there.

It's weird, I know... but some people consent to (or even pay money for) a "golden shower". Some adults consent to being shackled, and flogged - with every appearance of enjoyment.

There really is no accounting for taste. Some people apparently enjoy nipple clamps, and humiliation... and some people surrender themselves to Scientology.

The trouble with the Scientology kink is that it was always about LRH's pleasure, although some sadists manage to piggy-back their own gratification onto it. Be warned, Scientology does not respect the existence of a "safe word".
 

HelluvaHoax!

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It's weird, I know... but some people consent to (or even pay money for) a "golden shower". Some adults consent to being shackled, and flogged - with every appearance of enjoyment.

There really is no accounting for taste. Some people apparently enjoy nipple clamps, and humiliation... and some people surrender themselves to Scientology.

The trouble with the Scientology kink is that it was always about LRH's pleasure, although some sadists manage to piggy-back their own gratification onto it. Be warned, Scientology does not respect the existence of a "safe word".



LOL.

If a Scientologist can have "wins" on being interrogated with a sec check, imagine the case gain their 2D can enjoy when they apply e-meter alligator clip tech.

If Baker is not a troll he is one demented individual to promote the pleasure of cult interrogation tech to former Scientologists. I believe wogs call it sadism.
 
Well, this is another reason why it's not good to have immutable, "infallible" "tech". If it had been started long enough ago there would probably be some question about if you'd failed to put your woman in an iron branks for backflashing you. But as far as shame and witholds go, I am ashamed that I did not even notice these sorts of questions. I'm not sure whether I've ever had a Jo'burg but I have had sec checks including the 2D sec check. Is that question on there? What shocks me is that I was not shocked and outraged - that I could EVER have supported such an organisation. I mean it was not the 1950s it was the bloody 1980s and 90s that I was in. I'm still WTFing on this.

I've one gay friend who use to cackle in telling about his experience of his first Jo'burg. When asked if he was a practicing homosexual he said "No. I perfected it years ago.". It didn't cause him any difficulties. He later went on to "clear" and then subsequently left involvement with the church in the late '70s due principally to lack of further interest. He never saw his orientation as problematic and so it didn't serve as a problem for him during his auditing.


Mark A. Baker
 
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