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Where does that put Marty?
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Where does that put Marty?
Lawrence Wright's "Going Clear" on New York Times Bestseller List!
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Student of Trinity
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Re: WSJ review of Wright book
Yeah, I dunno. Calling Wright's book 'not fascinating' is probably fair, to be honest. The sense that Scientology is really a small-time cult and not all that interesting apart from its celebrity connections and big money, that kind of rings true to me, as an outsider. Some things about it are fascinating, but some really aren't.
This review is a bit lukewarm in some ways, a bit back-handed. It may cost some readers.
On the other hand, the comparison to In Cold Blood is heavy stuff. That thing's a real classic of its kind. A lot of people will avoid any book that sounds that highbrow, but a lot of people will probably now feel that the thing is a Must Read. For all New Yorker types, Wright's book has just become THE book on Scientology. How many New Yorker types are there? I dunno. Not as many as there are of a lot of other types, sure. But probably more than there are Scientologist types.
Plus, it's the Wall Street Journal. Wright's book is on the radar screen, for sure.
Yeah, I dunno. Calling Wright's book 'not fascinating' is probably fair, to be honest. The sense that Scientology is really a small-time cult and not all that interesting apart from its celebrity connections and big money, that kind of rings true to me, as an outsider. Some things about it are fascinating, but some really aren't.
This review is a bit lukewarm in some ways, a bit back-handed. It may cost some readers.
On the other hand, the comparison to In Cold Blood is heavy stuff. That thing's a real classic of its kind. A lot of people will avoid any book that sounds that highbrow, but a lot of people will probably now feel that the thing is a Must Read. For all New Yorker types, Wright's book has just become THE book on Scientology. How many New Yorker types are there? I dunno. Not as many as there are of a lot of other types, sure. But probably more than there are Scientologist types.
Plus, it's the Wall Street Journal. Wright's book is on the radar screen, for sure.
Anonycat
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Re: WSJ review of Wright book
Comparing it to what In Cold Blood did, is about as high a compliment as you can come up with.
Comparing it to what In Cold Blood did, is about as high a compliment as you can come up with.
HoraciotheOT8
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Re: WSJ review of Wright book
Sure, from your point of view it's honest, which point of view will be shared by Miscaviage himself and virtually the entire body of his Sea Org and OSA family. "it's not fascinating". Lol.
Now that commentary is down right funny SofT. "probably"? Lol! Hell there are more 'New Yorker' types in Omaha Nebraska then there are Scientologists in the entire sector of this galaxy.
It's 150,000 copies for openers. Probably 500,000 (worldwide) before the scientology carnage is through.
Horacio
Sure, from your point of view it's honest, which point of view will be shared by Miscaviage himself and virtually the entire body of his Sea Org and OSA family. "it's not fascinating". Lol.
Now that commentary is down right funny SofT. "probably"? Lol! Hell there are more 'New Yorker' types in Omaha Nebraska then there are Scientologists in the entire sector of this galaxy.
It's 150,000 copies for openers. Probably 500,000 (worldwide) before the scientology carnage is through.
Horacio
Rmack
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Article in L.A. Times today
There was an article on Lawrence Wrights new book 'Going Clear; Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief' in Today's (Sunday, 13th) L.A. times.
It seems there is no link yet at the Time's web site. They probably don't link stuff till a day or so after the current edition.
There was an article on Lawrence Wrights new book 'Going Clear; Scientology, Hollywood, and the Prison of Belief' in Today's (Sunday, 13th) L.A. times.
It seems there is no link yet at the Time's web site. They probably don't link stuff till a day or so after the current edition.
Idle Morgue
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Re: Article in L.A. Times today
the LA Times? Hip Hip Hooray - 2013 is our year exes - the year the CULT died! Idle Morgues - the truth revealed - no newbies - there can't be people leaving in droves - NO ONE IS LEFT!!
the LA Times? Hip Hip Hooray - 2013 is our year exes - the year the CULT died! Idle Morgues - the truth revealed - no newbies - there can't be people leaving in droves - NO ONE IS LEFT!!
Lermanet_com
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Re: Article in L.A. Times today
No Ots there, just a dwarf
No Ots there, just a dwarf
programmer_guy
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Re: Article in L.A. Times today
Yeah, I wonder how many currently involved CofS Scientologists there really are world-wide (staff & public) at this time.
(Hartley used to keep up with numbers estimates.)
Yeah, I wonder how many currently involved CofS Scientologists there really are world-wide (staff & public) at this time.
(Hartley used to keep up with numbers estimates.)
Boson Wog Stark
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Re: WSJ review of Wright book
Winning a Pulitzer Prize for writing a book as relevant and illuminating as THE LOOMING TOWER, supersedes being a New Yorker type writer or member of the literati/intelligentsia. For one thing, it's the book other thoughtful and influential people and media people will feel secure in referring to and quoting, whether it becomes mega popular or not. Librarians and schools across the country will respect it because it is by Wright.
While none of these people or groups will have the influence of Tom Cruise as an individual, collectively, it means a lot. I see the comparison to In Cold Blood, because it is a compelling mix of highbrow (Wright) and lowbrow (Cruise, Travolta, Scientology) that could be explosive. This mixture, and tying things together in one book, is what could be powerful.
For those of us who know the history of Scientology or follow the unfolding story, it may be hard to tell exactly how good Wright's book is -- I think some reviewers are struggling a little bit with that -- however for people who are less informed, if it is able to draw these stories together in a compelling way, it could be huge.
Scientology does not want the whole examined, as a sweep of history incorporating Hubbard's ideas and quotes, defining or revealing Scientology especially by someone the stature of Wright. They are still going for that percent of people that need to "see for themselves" and they'd like to keep their history sketchy and secret.
Scientology does not want the story of their most famous apostate, Paul Haggis, retold. Now, about 10 times as many people will know Paul Haggis's story, who didn't before, and that is going to be embarrassing too, especially the more Haggis himself speaks out.
In Hollywood, it is known that the writers and directors are the ones with the brains, not the actors. Although there are several very smart actors, until they become directors, they do not have the reputation as being thinkers. They are the vessels -- romantic, adventure, drama and sex objects. So, Haggis's story is embarrassing and the cult would rather bury it than have it immortalized in a book by a Pulitzer Prize winner.
Karin Pouw (or Miscavige rather) thinks that calling it "tabloid" because it has details about Cruise and Travolta, is going to kill people's interest in it? LOL, that's going to sell more copies of the book. Tabloid readers may even buy it. Plus, no one knows who the hell she is anyway as she has not even appeared in public once, because obviously, it would be too funny if she did. She's comical/absurd enough in her emails and denials.
Winning a Pulitzer Prize for writing a book as relevant and illuminating as THE LOOMING TOWER, supersedes being a New Yorker type writer or member of the literati/intelligentsia. For one thing, it's the book other thoughtful and influential people and media people will feel secure in referring to and quoting, whether it becomes mega popular or not. Librarians and schools across the country will respect it because it is by Wright.
While none of these people or groups will have the influence of Tom Cruise as an individual, collectively, it means a lot. I see the comparison to In Cold Blood, because it is a compelling mix of highbrow (Wright) and lowbrow (Cruise, Travolta, Scientology) that could be explosive. This mixture, and tying things together in one book, is what could be powerful.
For those of us who know the history of Scientology or follow the unfolding story, it may be hard to tell exactly how good Wright's book is -- I think some reviewers are struggling a little bit with that -- however for people who are less informed, if it is able to draw these stories together in a compelling way, it could be huge.
Scientology does not want the whole examined, as a sweep of history incorporating Hubbard's ideas and quotes, defining or revealing Scientology especially by someone the stature of Wright. They are still going for that percent of people that need to "see for themselves" and they'd like to keep their history sketchy and secret.
Scientology does not want the story of their most famous apostate, Paul Haggis, retold. Now, about 10 times as many people will know Paul Haggis's story, who didn't before, and that is going to be embarrassing too, especially the more Haggis himself speaks out.
In Hollywood, it is known that the writers and directors are the ones with the brains, not the actors. Although there are several very smart actors, until they become directors, they do not have the reputation as being thinkers. They are the vessels -- romantic, adventure, drama and sex objects. So, Haggis's story is embarrassing and the cult would rather bury it than have it immortalized in a book by a Pulitzer Prize winner.
Karin Pouw (or Miscavige rather) thinks that calling it "tabloid" because it has details about Cruise and Travolta, is going to kill people's interest in it? LOL, that's going to sell more copies of the book. Tabloid readers may even buy it. Plus, no one knows who the hell she is anyway as she has not even appeared in public once, because obviously, it would be too funny if she did. She's comical/absurd enough in her emails and denials.
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ILove2Lurk
Lisbeth Salander
Re: Lawrence Wright's new book January release date
New review:
www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/books/going-clear-by-lawrence-wright-examines-scientology
How romantic.
"Mr. Miscavige’s wife, Shelly, has reportedly not been seen in public in years.
She may be living in a cold climate: Mr. Miscavige is said to have sent
her a sweater and gloves as Christmas gifts."
She may be living in a cold climate: Mr. Miscavige is said to have sent
her a sweater and gloves as Christmas gifts."
New review:
www.nytimes.com/2013/01/14/books/going-clear-by-lawrence-wright-examines-scientology
How romantic.
Smurf
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Re: Lawrence Wright Book Excerpt Details Miscavige Role in Cruise-Kidman Split
There were rumors that David Miscavige bestowed "honorary membership" in the Sea Org to Tom, but there's been no evidence to substantiate this AFAIK.
There were rumors that David Miscavige bestowed "honorary membership" in the Sea Org to Tom, but there's been no evidence to substantiate this AFAIK.
ILove2Lurk
Lisbeth Salander
Re: Lawrence Wright's new book January release date
www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-14/
"According to Wright, the abuses have continued under Hubbard’s successor,
David Miscavige. More than two dozen people told Wright they had been slapped,
punched, kicked or choked by Miscavige, or had witnessed him abusing others."
David Miscavige. More than two dozen people told Wright they had been slapped,
punched, kicked or choked by Miscavige, or had witnessed him abusing others."
www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-01-14/
ILove2Lurk
Lisbeth Salander
Re: Lawrence Wright's new book January release date
http://www.latimes.com/features/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-lawrence-wright-20130113,0,5406147.story
Rasputin-like.
This is one well-written and entertaining review!
"To anyone who gets a sugar rush from Hollywood gossip,
the chapters on Tom Cruise and John Travolta will feel like
eating a case of Ding Dongs."
"Hubbard claimed his method was scientific yet came from revelations.
He told friends that while undergoing oral surgery at the dentist's office,
he'd died, traveled to an alternate dimension, unlocked the secrets of
the universe and returned in order to reveal them."
"Since Hubbard's death in 1986, Cruise has become Scientology's leading
pitchman. Wright portrays him as being in the thrall of David Miscavige,
the Rasputin-like figure who now runs the church."
the chapters on Tom Cruise and John Travolta will feel like
eating a case of Ding Dongs."
"Hubbard claimed his method was scientific yet came from revelations.
He told friends that while undergoing oral surgery at the dentist's office,
he'd died, traveled to an alternate dimension, unlocked the secrets of
the universe and returned in order to reveal them."
"Since Hubbard's death in 1986, Cruise has become Scientology's leading
pitchman. Wright portrays him as being in the thrall of David Miscavige,
the Rasputin-like figure who now runs the church."
http://www.latimes.com/features/books/jacketcopy/la-ca-jc-lawrence-wright-20130113,0,5406147.story
Rasputin-like.
This is one well-written and entertaining review!
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Type4_PTS
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Re: Lawrence Wright's new book January release date
Yesterday when Atlantic published some CoS Propaganda some of their own staff were infuriated and shortly thereafter one of their writers, Jeffrey Goldberg published on their site this review of Lawrence Wright:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national...out-scientology-by-a-wonderful-writer/267178/
Yesterday when Atlantic published some CoS Propaganda some of their own staff were infuriated and shortly thereafter one of their writers, Jeffrey Goldberg published on their site this review of Lawrence Wright:
http://www.theatlantic.com/national...out-scientology-by-a-wonderful-writer/267178/
ILove2Lurk
Lisbeth Salander
Re: Lawrence Wright's new book January release date
New Rock Center video up today. Haggis and Wright. Pretty good.
http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news...-fear-says-going-clear-author-lawrence-wright
New Rock Center video up today. Haggis and Wright. Pretty good.
http://rockcenter.nbcnews.com/_news...-fear-says-going-clear-author-lawrence-wright
ChurchOfCylontology
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Re: Lawrence Wright Book Excerpt Details Miscavige Role in Cruise-Kidman Split
Thanks, Smurf. That part of the quote bothered me because I'm thinking (if by chance) anyone 'In' should see that, they would negate the entire article's content because this part wasn't true. Not that tabloids are every completely true but this was something I hadn't read before and I would hate for anyone to question the truth of the article based on that tidbit.
Thanks, Smurf. That part of the quote bothered me because I'm thinking (if by chance) anyone 'In' should see that, they would negate the entire article's content because this part wasn't true. Not that tabloids are every completely true but this was something I hadn't read before and I would hate for anyone to question the truth of the article based on that tidbit.
FlagEmDown
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Re: Lawrence Wright's new book January release date
Can't post a new thread, but here is a long expose on sci's real estate scam.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/alexklein/is-scientology-self-destructing
Can't post a new thread, but here is a long expose on sci's real estate scam.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/alexklein/is-scientology-self-destructing
ILove2Lurk
Lisbeth Salander
Re: Lawrence Wright's new book January release date
15 Scientology Revelations From Lawrence Wright’s ‘Going Clear’
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...tions-from-lawrence-wright-s-going-clear.html
15 Scientology Revelations From Lawrence Wright’s ‘Going Clear’
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articl...tions-from-lawrence-wright-s-going-clear.html
ILove2Lurk
Lisbeth Salander
Re: Lawrence Wright's new book January release date
Let the games begin.
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Smurf
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Re: Lawrence Wright's new book January release date
The book was the topic of Chelsea Handler's jokes on her show last night. She showed a photo of Tom Cruise and called the book "50 Shades of Cray Cray" (crazy). She said Katie Holmes must have freaked out after having sex with Tom Cruise to learn they were covered in aliens (BTs).
One of the comedians replied that Katie was being screwed by an alien. (Tom)
The book was the topic of Chelsea Handler's jokes on her show last night. She showed a photo of Tom Cruise and called the book "50 Shades of Cray Cray" (crazy). She said Katie Holmes must have freaked out after having sex with Tom Cruise to learn they were covered in aliens (BTs).
One of the comedians replied that Katie was being screwed by an alien. (Tom)
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