Leah Remini's 'Scientology and Aftermath' Coming Back for Season Two!

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

I finally got to see it last night, and there was something that one of the gents said that really started banging around in my head. Maybe I need to rewatch it.

Anyway.... one of the guys was talking about how auditing unpins your moral compass (in so many words). It was some new thoughts for me. They talked about how you shouldn't be relieved of your pain and guilt because that what makes you human (in so many words: I've also been watching waaaaay too much Star Trek while having the flu).

Did that resonate with anyone else? I'm gonna see if I can get at just that slice and listen to it again.

There were several Star Trek episodes with the theme that humans were not meant to be without pain, trial and challenges. "This Side of Paradise" stands out in particular. I thought of that when Stephen Kent made the comment but I'm not sure I agree that auditing actually removes the effects of painful experiences so much as it provides a basis for rationalizing that they no longer effect a person. 6 of one and half a dozen of the other?

One of the big problems with this observation is a lot of Scientologists abandon their own moral compass in favor of Scientology's without doing much if any auditing. Everything needed to do this exists in the material and the culture without auditing.

I was very pleased to see Stephen, among others, participate. His web page is excellent:

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/kent/isc.html

P.S. Hope you feel better soon. If you use up all the Star Trek episodes before you're well, My Favorite Martian is on YouTube.

 

[hummingbird]

There were several Star Trek episodes with the theme that humans were not meant to be without pain, trial and challenges. "This Side of Paradise" stands out in particular. I thought of that when Stephen Kent made the comment but I'm not sure I agree that auditing actually removes the effects of painful experiences so much as it provides a basis for rationalizing that they no longer effect a person. 6 of one and half a dozen of the other?

THAT'S what it was!! Thanks, Blue! Yeah, the idea is that through auditing you become desensitized to your little points of pain (or big ones). How auditors are trained not to REACT at all, so anything goes. "I didn't eat breakfast" gets the same reaction as "I murdered someone," that is, an emotionless "Thank you. Is there an earlier similar incident?"

I did quite a bit of auditing while I was in, and it never dawned on me until now how "having your TRs in" dehumanizes you and the person you are auditing. And you are rewarded for that.

Call me a slow learner, I guess.

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

THAT'S what it was!! Thanks, Blue! Yeah, the idea is that through auditing you become desensitized to your little points of pain (or big ones). How auditors are trained not to REACT at all, so anything goes. "I didn't eat breakfast" gets the same reaction as "I murdered someone," that is, an emotionless "Thank you. Is there an earlier similar incident?"

I did quite a bit of auditing while I was in, and it never dawned on me until now how "having your TRs in" dehumanizes you and the person you are auditing. And you are rewarded for that.

Call me a slow learner, I guess.

The dissociation in TRs came to bother me after a while. I found it was distracting and not really helpful when I had to engage people or think through a problem. And once one learns how to turn it on it becomes rather easy so in auditing or a sec-check, like lucid dreaming, you develop a certain amount of control over it and can float the needle at will. But even LRH knew to stop the session with a persistent FN. The PC has left the building. I think more importantly is the indoctrination that we are essentially demigods, infinite in existence and potential. That rewrites the moral code completely to where everything becomes relative. The solution to every problem is somewhere between two extremes and that kind of thinking is absolutely extreme. The other extreme would be that we are mortal and nothing we do matters. Scientologists have lost the ability to define solutions between these two extremes.

BTW, Uncle Martin in My Favorite Martian makes the same point paraphrasing John Patrick: "Pain makes man think, thinking makes men wise, and wisdom makes life endurable."

There was a lot of wisdom embedded in the Science Fiction genre. It's easy to see how LRH would glibly sprinkle it through his own narrative.

 

[Terril park]

There were several Star Trek episodes with the theme that humans were not meant to be without pain, trial and challenges. "This Side of Paradise" stands out in particular. I thought of that when Stephen Kent made the comment but I'm not sure I agree that auditing actually removes the effects of painful experiences so much as it provides a basis for rationalizing that they no longer effect a person. 6 of one and half a dozen of the other?

One of the big problems with this observation is a lot of Scientologists abandon their own moral compass in favor of Scientology's without doing much if any auditing. Everything needed to do this exists in the material and the culture without auditing.

As it does for jihadists. I think one may make a case that indoctrination
is senior to auditing/therapy.

 

[Lulu Belle]

How do you watch this if you don't have a "TV Provider"? We're strictly streaming.

 

[Churchill]

There were several Star Trek episodes with the theme that humans were not meant to be without pain, trial and challenges. "This Side of Paradise" stands out in particular. I thought of that when Stephen Kent made the comment but I'm not sure I agree that auditing actually removes the effects of painful experiences so much as it provides a basis for rationalizing that they no longer effect a person. 6 of one and half a dozen of the other?

One of the big problems with this observation is a lot of Scientologists abandon their own moral compass in favor of Scientology's without doing much if any auditing. Everything needed to do this exists in the material and the culture without auditing.

I was very pleased to see Stephen, among others, participate. His web page is excellent:

https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Library/Shelf/kent/isc.html

P.S. Hope you feel better soon. If you use up all the Star Trek episodes before you're well, My Favorite Martian is on YouTube.

FYI, in my case I had a considerable amount of auditing...while at FOLO EUS. I received Power, and a shitload of other auditing. The GO had special auditors and C/Ses who had the security clearance to audit B-1 staff and B-1 Guardians Activity Staff.

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

FYI, in my case I had a considerable amount of auditing...while at FOLO EUS. I received Power, and a shitload of other auditing. The GO had special auditors and C/Ses who had the security clearance to audit B-1 staff and B-1 Guardians Activity Staff.

To my thinking, auditing or any kind of therapy done with a counselor must develop trust. Trust in the counselor and anyone with access to the information. My own experience was a progressive deterioration of trust in the organization on many levels. Especially since the transition from auditing or sec-checks, which looked a whole lot like auditing, to punishment was frequent and arbitrary as a Sea Org member. I also saw first hand how cavalierly personal information was handled. The longer I was in, the only real predictability that I had was that there was no predictability. This must have a cumulative effect on auditing. Perhaps part of the inclination "to go whole track" in session is for the exact reason that it isn't real.

How many of us blew up planets in a past life to get through a session if it meant not having to spill your guts about your real life?

I know part of the indoctrination is to get people to overshare with the Church but how comfortable can one really be getting auditing from the GO?

...and very impressed with your contribution to the show. The Church and Scientologists can't be real but you helped people understand that people working their way out of it are.

 

[JustSheila]

P.S. Hope you feel better soon. If you use up all the Star Trek episodes before you're well, My Favorite Martian is on YouTube.

Oooh! Another Star Trekkie!

Hulu just got Supernatural Season 12. I love that series... talk about two guys with the best intentions getting their moral compasses whipped around! Crowley is back straight away in the first episode. So glad to see it - Mark Sheppard is outstanding as Crowley.

The dissociation in TRs came to bother me after a while. I found it was distracting and not really helpful when I had to engage people or think through a problem.

Spot on! Thanks, BB. I don't remember anyone else ever mentioning it. I also found it hard to always "be in the moment" with TRs, but then be able to shift gears like a normal person to think and compare past experiences/emotions/information to judge for myself with my own moral compass. The continual use of TRs made it automatic to grab all that L Ron BS that was drilled into my brain because it made it hard to compare other things I'd learned in the past - and that past became increasingly distant, too.

I think more importantly is the indoctrination that we are essentially demigods, infinite in existence and potential. That rewrites the moral code completely to where everything becomes relative. The solution to every problem is somewhere between two extremes and that kind of thinking is absolutely extreme. The other extreme would be that we are mortal and nothing we do matters. Scientologists have lost the ability to define solutions between these two extremes.

The part I bolded, especially. Which is another reason I love Supernatural. Great episodes when the angels lost their moral compass and didn't know what to do without God as boss, especially when Castiel decided to be God and lead the angels and completely screwed up, turning into something more dangerous, destructive and cold-hearted than even Crowley. There were so many deep themes at work there.

BTW, Uncle Martin in My Favorite Martian makes the same point paraphrasing John Patrick: "Pain makes man think, thinking makes men wise, and wisdom makes life endurable."

There was a lot of wisdom embedded in the Science Fiction genre. It's easy to see how LRH would glibly sprinkle it through his own narrative.

It was a good series. Some good stuff to watch between Leah Remini episodes.

I don't know how you guyz make it without Hulu or one of those, or why anyone would do anything else. I dropped the cable service over a year ago, signed onto two networks and get news and everything else for about $22/month and no commercials (not counting basic Internet service, which I'd be paying anyway.) Maybe I just hate commercials and cable company ripoffs way more than you do?

 

[Churchill]

To my thinking, auditing or any kind of therapy done with a counselor must develop trust. Trust in the counselor and anyone with access to the information. My own experience was a progressive deterioration of trust in the organization on many levels. Especially since the transition from auditing or sec-checks, which looked a whole lot like auditing, to punishment was frequent and arbitrary as a Sea Org member. I also saw first hand how cavalierly personal information was handled. The longer I was in, the only real predictability that I had was that there was no predictability. This must have a cumulative effect on auditing. Perhaps part of the inclination "to go whole track" in session is for the exact reason that it isn't real.

How many of us blew up planets in a past life to get through a session if it meant not having to spill your guts about your real life?

I know part of the indoctrination is to get people to overshare with the Church but how comfortable can one really be getting auditing from the GO?

...and very impressed with your contribution to the show. The Church and Scientologists can't be real but you helped people understand that people working their way out of it are.

Thanks. I should have clarified that these were regular auditors and C/Ses, who, in addition to auditing and C/Sing regular Public, were trusted to audit B-1 personnel. Bruce Gaines, a Cl VIII C/S in New York was one. His wife, Joyce, was in the G.O.
So what we have here is the "tech" being used to buttress and lend enhancement to the criminal policies and actions that were engaged in, on behalf of Hubbard and Co.
Of course, the average public person was completely unaware of this, but among the freezoners and Indies it would've selectively been known, I suspect. It just wasn't considered a disqualification of the validity of the tech, or the morality of Scientology in general. It was simply the greatest good for the greatest # of dynamics.

 

[HelluvaHoax!]

Thanks for the link.


This one will become the Event Horizon for the scientology rabbit hole.

LOL.

A veritable Black (V) Hole from whence no being returns. . .

"Black V" - (Scientology Dictionary): 1. "...a heavily occluded case characterized by mental pictures consisting of masses of blackness. The term black V came from application of SOP 8 (Standard Operating Procedure 8), wherein the auditor tested the preclear at each step of the process to find a step the preclear could do and began processing at that step. SOP 8 consists of seven steps; a preclear who had to be started at step V of the process was called a "Case V." This level of case could not get mock-ups but only blackness, hence "black V." This case, by the way, was the blackest black V that you ever classified as a Black V when they should have been classified as a black XVIII, and yet we got some change on the case. —Practicalities of a Practical Religion (3 June 55)" - L. Ron Hubbard 2.The urgently morbid case condition wherein the auditor asks the PC to close their eyes and describe what they see--and the PC answers "blackness". Whereupon, they are to immediately be declared a "Black V" and rushed to the registrar to buy ten emergency intensives of auditing before they suddenly succumb and die from a blackness implant. It is technically imperative that this Black V PC is not confused with normal PCs--who likewise are all rushed to the registrar to buy ten emergency intensives of auditing when the org's gross income stat is down.

 

[JackStraw]

Oooh! Another Star Trekkie!
{snip}
- Mark Sheppard is outstanding as Crowley.

{snip}

Ahh... He'll always be Badger, to me!

Jack

 

[TheOriginalBigBlue]

Bethany is back...

https://thefederalist.com/2017/05/3...sode-proves-shes-mission-destroy-scientology/

Actress-turned-activist Leah Remini may be the worst thing to happen to Scientology in its short but tumultuous history. The first season of her groundbreaking and immensely popular series for A&E, “Scientology and the Aftermath,” will come back in the fall for a second season. Because the network was so eager to get another fresh episode on air, Remini and her partner, former Scientologist spokesman Mike Rinder, produced a bonus episode, which aired the evening of Memorial Day.
One would expect an episode sandwiched between the two seasons to basically function as a teaser for the second season. With the exception of commercial interludes featuring clips from season two, however, that was not the case. Season two appears to focus on instances of sexual violence and child abuse, crimes which if found to be genuine could land Scientology and its practitioners in legal hot water.

(snipped)

 

[Knows]

I hope Leah Remini and Mike Rinder talk about Grant Cardone on the show.

Reliable sources tell us that Grant Cardone has tried to scrub his affiliation with Scientology out of his internet blogs, postings etc.

What are you hiding Grant Cardone???

Let's help Grant "get his ethics IN"

Cuz you know the tech can't get in unless ethics are in....

and let's be ruthless with Grant's ethics...getting in....

 

[CommunicatorIC]

VIDEO PREVIEW - Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath Season 2 - Alleged Rape and Child Abuse.

[video=youtube;FYcEfsX_ac8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYcEfsX_ac8[/video]

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Scientology, Rape, and Child Abuse: Police Get Involved

Scientology Aftermath

Published on May 31, 2017

Victims reveal fresh accusations of rape and child abuse against Scientology, and police get involved.

These promotional clips are from a special Season 2 preview episode of "Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath." Season 2 is tentatively scheduled to premiere in summer 2017.

The preview episode this came from is Season 1, Episode 9, "Merchants of Fear," and is available on A&E for free to cable and satellite subscribers:
http://www.aetv.com/shows/leah-remini-scientology-and-the-aftermath/season-1/episode-9

Otherwise, the cheapest place to buy it is Google Play.
$1.99: https://play.google.com/store/tv/show?id=AHLr-qAYAig

It's also available on Amazon.
$2.99: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01NARXR5B

And iTunes.
$2.99: https://itunes.apple.com/us/tv-season/leah-remini-scientology-and-the-aftermath/id1173621511

Category
People & Blogs

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[CommunicatorIC]

Mark Ebner: "#Scientology agent phones & asks where he can "score some smack" & where to serve notice for a "black girl" that I raped. Me: Call my agent."

https://twitter.com/MarkEbner59/status/870412872257490944

 

[CommunicatorIC]

Leah Remini Joins ‘Kevin Can Wait’ Season 2 as Series Regular

Variety: Leah Remini Joins ‘Kevin Can Wait’ Season 2 as Series Regular

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/kevin-can-wait-season-2-leah-remini-1202452704/

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Joe Otterson
TV Reporter
@JoeOtterson

Leah Remini is joining the Kevin James sitcom “Kevin Can Wait” as a series regular for Season 2, Variety has learned.

The series stars James as a New York cop who retires after 20 years on the force, only to discover retirement is not as easy as he thought it would be. Remini previously appeared in the Season 1 finale as Vanessa Cellucci, an undercover cop and the former partner of James’ character. She will reprise that role for the show’s second season this fall. James and Remini previously starred together as husband and wife for nine seasons on the hit series “The King of Queens,” which also aired on CBS.

Remini has been in the news frequently the past few years for her very public departure from the Church of Scientology. She has become an outspoken critic of the Church, publishing her memoir “Troublemaker: Surviving Hollywood and Scientology” in 2015. In 2016, her docu-series “Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath” debuted on A&E. That series was recently picked up for a second season.

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[Type4_PTS]

Leah Remini Joins ‘Kevin Can Wait’ Season 2 as Series Regular

Variety: Leah Remini Joins ‘Kevin Can Wait’ Season 2 as Series Regular

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/kevin-can-wait-season-2-leah-remini-1202452704/

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Joe Otterson
TV Reporter
@JoeOtterson

Leah Remini is joining the Kevin James sitcom “Kevin Can Wait” as a series regular for Season 2, Variety has learned.

The series stars James as a New York cop who retires after 20 years on the force, only to discover retirement is not as easy as he thought it would be. Remini previously appeared in the Season 1 finale as Vanessa Cellucci, an undercover cop and the former partner of James’ character. She will reprise that role for the show’s second season this fall. James and Remini previously starred together as husband and wife for nine seasons on the hit series “The King of Queens,” which also aired on CBS.

Remini has been in the news frequently the past few years for her very public departure from the Church of Scientology. She has become an outspoken critic of the Church, publishing her memoir “Troublemaker: Surviving Hollywood and Scientology” in 2015. In 2016, her docu-series “Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath” debuted on A&E. That series was recently picked up for a second season.

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Sounds like her stats are straight up and vertical!

I watched her two hour special a couple days ago. I have immense gratitude for Leah, Mike, and all those who have contributed in any way to making this series happen. Including Len and all the other great guests.

If there was just ONE OT in this sector of the universe, just one, this show (Scientology and the Aftermath) would not exist. That it does exist and is delivering great ratings for A & E is evidence that Scientology is a scam.

Thank Xenu for the A & E network which has received constant threats from the "church" and hasn't backed down.

 

[scooter]

Just caught up on the latest episode - wow !!!!

Thank you Len for saying what "we" all should be saying - the moral compass as a cult member gets smashed and one does stuff they wouldn't in any other circumstance and yes, I also acted like a terrorist or a Nazi in carrying out my "duties" as a card-carrying Hubbardian minion.

I've now been out for nearly 9 years and I doubt I could ever forget what I've done to enable this toxic cult - but I surely can and will continue to expose what I can of its cancerous practises and policies and the damage they do to good people.

It's the least that I can do.

This show is truly exposing the belly of the Beast to the world - a very big thank you to all involved.

FUCK YOU, OSA !!!

You continue to carry out the murderous policies of your long-dead guru in the face of all evidence that would cause decent people to look and turn away from these disgusting brain-farts of the psychopathic malignant narcissist you worship.

Your one saving grace is you continue to get your stats up of "enemies made" week upon week upon week.

Getting $cientologists to practise $cientology in front of witnesses will cause its ultimate demise.

And THAT can't come soon enough.

 

[Type4_PTS]

Breaking News at the Bunker this morning...

Leah Remini’s ‘Troublemaker’ will become a Lifetime movie

It’s Leah Remini’s world and we’re all just living in it. The King of Queens actress continues to surprise us after she defected from the Church of Scientology in 2013, wrote a bestseller about it in 2015 (Troublemaker: Surviving Scientology and Hollywood), and then rolled the dice last year with an A&E television series, Scientology and the Aftermath, that became a huge hit for the cable network.

Season two of her series — which she executive produces — is being filmed now, and Leah has also been reunited with her King of Queens co-star, Kevin James, on his CBS series, Kevin Can Wait, where she will become a regular cast member in the show’s second season.

And now, as if that weren’t enough, we received confirmation that Leah will be producing a Lifetime movie version of Troublemaker that we cannot imagine is going to make Tom Cruise and the gang very happy. <snip>

Full Story: http://tonyortega.org/2017/06/07/le...become-a-lifetime-movie-who-plays-tom-cruise/

 

[Free Being Me]