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Leaked video from The AO Sydney 1992

Carmel

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Here is the first of many leaked videos from the Anvanced Org Sydney Australia from 1992.
And to begin with we have Shane Brockdorf the Senior C/S ANZO answering your questions about OT3.

My first question would have been...Are you gay ?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=angY0Q6rY7I
Thanks for posting, randomx.

This guy used to be a good kid. He joined the SO at 16 or so, and then soon after he disconnected from his mum (who was also in the SO, but got declared). The SO has been his life for nearly 30 years now.

I shared a house, trained, and worked with Shane. We were friends, until he came back from Flag one time on a big high horse and a different person. When it comes to people within the CofS who have "crimes", this guy is certainly one of them.
 

Megalomaniac

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Thanks for posting, randomx.

This guy used to be a good kid. He joined the SO at 16 or so, and then soon after he disconnected from his mum (who was also in the SO, but got declared). The SO has been his life for nearly 30 years now.

I shared a house, trained, and worked with Shane. We were friends, until he came back from Flag one time on a big high horse and a different person. When it comes to people within the CofS who have "crimes", this guy is certainly one of them.

This is sad Carmel. Do you know where he is now?

This video is totally real. I wasn't there, but I've been to other briefings. A Sea Org member, sharply dressed, certain, composed, friendly, talking about OT. No direct promises, only hints and LRH quotes and people's vague experiences. I was sold.
 

Carmel

Crusader
This is sad Carmel. Do you know where he is now?
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Yes it is sad, just like it was sad that he negated/denied his 'training' and spat on our old friendship, when he collaborated with RTC and did those three reverse auditing sessions on me, eleven years ago. No doubt, he did the same to others too.

From what I've heard, he is still C/Sing in the AO. I don't think he would have the gutz to 'look', let alone what it would take to leave.
 

Megalomaniac

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Yes it is sad, just like it was sad that he negated/denied his 'training' and spat on our old friendship, when he collaborated with RTC and did those three reverse auditing sessions on me, eleven years ago. No doubt, he did the same to others too.

From what I've heard, he is still C/Sing in the AO. I don't think he would have the gutz to 'look', let alone what it would take to leave.

:hmmph: :console:

The time will come. The story is not over.
 

Carmel

Crusader
Girl announced to the academy as a new OT3.
Man is she wired.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eFxJlEAHr0

More to come.
Visit this thread again real soon

For the record, this chick is genuine, IMO. She joined the SO soon after this, and she became a wonderful auditor. :bigcry:

On the aspect of these vids, and others to come, I'm wondering if it's kosher to post these (legal aspect aside). We have a stack of ex Sydney staff and crew on and lurking on this board, as well as members here with family still in the SO in Sydney. This last vid was personal. I for one am not now comfortable about it, and am hoping that if and while they are permitted, that our members here won't do any 'slagging' here on a personal level.

Anyways, I'm butting out of the thread - I'm concerned that it will hurt and hinder, as opposed to help.
 

Megalomaniac

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This last vid was personal.

Everything I've posted about myself was real and personal, too.

Most of the posts on this board are personal.

Yeah, this chick was for real. She really was happy. It's ok. I'm happy for her. Glad she had success with it. Some people have some disparaging comments, but that's also real life.

I'm happy to see some videos of REAL Scientology. This was really what it was like. What's wrong with the real deal? You'll never see a video like this from CoS. You'll never see a movie about Scientology that shows it this real.
 

Veda

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That works for either pro-Scientology or anti-Scientology propaganda. :goodorbad: What a mind bender we've been through!

The sense of relief at completing such cycles as OT 3, the SHSBC, or NOTs is often blended with more acceptable "wins" - but, clearly, she is just so pleased at being done with the level, a level which, if she were to fail at it, and not FN and not have VGIs, would doom her to an eternity of agony.

Of course, at the taping of the video, she hadn't been told, yet, that she really can't be herself until she completes NOTs.

Let's hope she makes it through the Scientology labyrinth OK, and eventually frees herself from the Hubbard hypno mind games.
 

Human Again

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(Need smiley of gently shaking head)

1. "Leaked" By whom? This runs like propaganda to me. It would not surprise me if this was OSA's new "handling for enteta boards" Leak us stuff that we can't help but put up and it's actually promo for the Church.

2. Why is is acceptable to ask "Is he gay?" Are we biased against gay people so that we use it as a covert insult? It's be easier to leave this alone and let it slide but really, I find it insulting. And Shane, no he's straight, confused, on a mission to nowhere, acting oh so gentle for the public when as Carmel has pointed out he had a hard and one eyed "we'd rather have you dead" core, but straight.

3. The girl (who looks familiar, hmm) states "You can't be you until you have done OT 3. It's just not possible, you might even think you are you but you are not." WALOS. I am sure she believes this. I have no doubt about her sincerity or her care for the people she is addressing. She feels good and wants everyone else to feel good. This is Hubbard's next advertising campaign on two legs. But rolled and twisted in here is the message that without LRH and the OT levels humans cannot be themselves. EVIL DATA. WRONG DATA. All wrapped up in love and care and modesty and very palatable.

4. I guess this is really a tech question. I do not believe the OT 3 incident holds any water. So what the F*&K is she so radiant andhappy about? Being done with the "ethics handling, lower conditions, cramming and trouble" she had to get through? Is she energised by the idea of her new status? Does the level walk you through challenges with the idea that "after this you can handle anything?" Guesses?
 

Carmel

Crusader
Everything I've posted about myself was real and personal, too.

Most of the posts on this board are personal.

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Yes, however we are given the choice about 'when' and 'if' we feel up to revealing how it 'was' or 'is' for us. My concern is, that this choice could or would be taken away in this circumstance, for some 'existing' and/or 'about to become' members. I don't believe that this would be a good thing.

She appears to be happy and not harming anyone, so it's good for me.
I wasn't suggesting that she was. SHE may be hurt though, if she was a member or a future member of this board, by simply having it posted and/or having members 'comment' on what she had to say, back then when she was talking to a select few.

How many of us would feel totally cool about having vids of our 'OT Completion' announcements, or course completion announcements, posted on this board without our permission? And, how many of us would feel kosher if members here, slagged off about what we said at the time? - This is my concern, be it a 'vaild' one or not.
 

Human Again

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She appears to be happy and not harming anyone, so it's good for me.

Who is in the audience who is going to get a second mortgage on their house so they can do OT 3. Who is deciding they will disconnect from their PTS connection just so they can progress up the bridge and is just about to destroy their family? For whom is she scattering poisoned sweets of promise to lead them down the goldenbrick road to the Sea Org?

I am glad she is happy but I am convinced the bridge is a trap that causes the travellers to lose their sense of self and to adopt the perverted value system of a mission to "clear the planet" at the cost of their own families and lives. As far as I am concerned she is a victim of delusion - a happy one right now, but we all know where it leads.
 

Opter

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I am Opter's husband, not Opter.

I would not be surprised at all if these vidclips turned out to be OSA plants, as they project such a falsely positive image of the inside workings of an Advanced Org that a genuine critic of this mindfuck cult would be unlikely to post them.

Thus I feel that we ought to be very careful about how we approach these vidclips.

Speaking very generally however, I would like to contribute the following comments, hopefully as correctives to whatever positive impression might be created by these vidclips, which until proven otherwise, I can only regard as deliberate OSA plants.

I was on OT VII for a number of years until the "advent" of GAT, when I bailed out in disgust, because instead of getting a profuse apology for having been made to waste an enormous amount of time and money on the level for nothing, I was confronted at the GAT release event by a "pay up or else" aggressive shakedown for another fifty grand, as downpayment on what would no doubt have ballooned into another few hundred grands down the gurgler, had I not decided there and then to pull the plug and put an immediate stop to my scientology "career."

Looking back, one gets a very clearsighted view of what the OT levels are really about.

The purpose of each OT level is for the pre-OT to systematically mindfuck himself, whether with auditor assistance or by his own lonesome, into a state of high elation where he can be shaken down once more by the SO regges and readily intimidated into parting with the next several tens of thousands of dollars worth of "donations", whether for the next major level, for some some real estate acquisition, for becoming a patron, or whatever else happens to be on the SO menu at the time, including of course becoming an SO slave.

Up to OT V, the pre-OT has an auditor to assist in systematically mindfucking himself, on OT VI the pre-OT learns to do the job on himself by himself, and on OTVII he systematically mindfucks himself several times a day into a state of high elation, consequently generally fucks up in life, and goes back to Flag every six months for another series of shakedowns, in no small part to "handle" the fuck ups that were caused in his life first and foremost by getting himself into those states of high elation several times a day.

The whole thing is a fabulous little money spinner for Flag, the chaotic mecca of vapourware, bulldust and sheer unmitigated hokum, home to some of the world's finest intimidators and shakedown artists.

By the way, it is of course not at all difficult to attain states of high elation entirely without scientology, if that's what turns one on, and consequently to faithfully believe in one's own bullshit, without in any way having to fork out hundreds of thousands of dollars for the privilege.

Public attests and success stories are of course an integral and indispensable part of the scam.

There are four basic purposes to success stories and attests, as audited, written, examined and gushed about in public to a gathering of other mindfuckees that happen to be present in the org at the time. One is legal, to protect the "church" against any possible comebacks by the mark on not having been delivered the vapourware "product" that he has paid for, or in other words, been shaken down for and intimidated into forking over. The second is to lock the mark in psychologically, so any future backdown would make him look an idiot both to himself and his fellow mindfuckees. Three, to maintain the mark in a state of high elation at least until he can be shaken down once more for as much as the traffic can bear. Four, to hold out the vapourware carrot before the noses of the other mindfuckees in the org, in confirmation that the particular piece of vapourware being gushed about actually "works," so as to make them salivate for it, and thereby to further cement group solidarity, beliefs and morale.

I don't know about you, but I would be inclined to assess these vidclips solely in light of these cold and unsentimental daylight considerations.

:hattip:
 
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Tiger Lily

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I am Opter's husband, not Opter.

I would not be surprised at all if these vidclips turned out to be OSA plants, as they project such a falsely positive image of the inside workings of an Advanced Org that a genuine critic of this mindfuck cult would be unlikely to post them.

Thus I feel that we ought to be very careful about how we comment on these vidclips.

Speaking very generally, however, I would like to contribute the following comments, hopefully as correctives to whatever positive impression might be created by these vidclips, which until proven otherwise, I can only regard as deliberate OSA plants.

I was on OT VII for a number of years until the "advent" of GAT, when I bailed out in disgust, because instead of getting a profuse apology for having been made to waste an enormous amount of time and money on the level for nothing, I was confronted at the GAT release event by a "pay up or else" aggressive shakedown for another fifty grand, as downpayment on what would no doubt have ballooned into another few hundred grands down the gurgler, had I not decided there and then to pull the plug and put an immediate end to my scientology "career."

Looking back, one gets a very clear-sighted view of what the OT levels are really about.

The purpose of each OT level is for the pre-OT to mindfuck himself, whether with auditor assistance or by his own lonesome, into a state of high elation where he can be shaken down by the regges for the next several tens of thousands of dollars of "donations", whether for the next major level, for some some real estate acquisition, for becoming a patron, or whatever else happens to be on the SO menu at the time, including of course becoming an SO slave.

Up to OT V, the pre-OT has an auditor to assist in mindfucking himself, on OT VI the pre-OT learns to do the job on himself by himself, and on OTVII he mindfucks himself several times a day into a state of high elation, consequently generally fucks up in life, and goes back to Flag every six month for another series of shakedowns, in no small part to handle the fuck ups caused in his life by getting himself into high elation several times a day.

By the way, it is of course not at all difficult to attain states of high elation entirely without scientology, if that's what turns one on, and consequently to faithfully believe in one's own bullshit, without however having to fork out hundreds of thousands of dollars for the privilege.

Public attests and success stories are of course an integral and indispensable part of the scam.

There are four basic purposes to success stories and attests, audited, written, examined and gushed about in public to a gathering of other mindfuckees that happen to be present in the org at the time. One is legal, to protect the "church" against any possible comebacks by the mark on not having been delivered the vapourware "product" that he has paid for. The second is to lock the mark in psychologically, so any future backdown would make him look an idiot both to himself and his fellow mindfuckees. Three, to maintain the mark in a state of high elation at least until he can be shaken down (again) for as much as the traffic can bear. Four, to hold out the carrot before the noses of the mindfuckee community within the org in confirmation that the particular piece of vapourware being gushed about actually "works," make them salivate for it, and thereby further cement group solidarity, beliefs and morale.

I don't know about you, but I assess these vidclips in light of these fairly cold, but objective considerations.

:hattip:

Great post Opter's husband!!! That says a TON!!! If I can figure out how, I'm going to link to this from another thread on Success stories. Very well stated. :yes:

:)TL
 

Wisened One

Crusader
Who is in the audience who is going to get a second mortgage on their house so they can do OT 3. Who is deciding they will disconnect from their PTS connection just so they can progress up the bridge and is just about to destroy their family? For whom is she scattering poisoned sweets of promise to lead them down the goldenbrick road to the Sea Org?

I am glad she is happy but I am convinced the bridge is a trap that causes the travellers to lose their sense of self and to adopt the perverted value system of a mission to "clear the planet" at the cost of their own families and lives. As far as I am concerned she is a victim of delusion - a happy one right now, but we all know where it leads.

:goodposting:
 

Wisened One

Crusader
Watching that vid of that girl giving her OT3 wins kinda was hard to watch...it was quite personal. It brought back all the memories of listening to others' OT wins in graduations, etc...

I also remember how 'vague' most of their wins had to be, due to them not being allowed to get more specific...

And to whoever posted the original vid...Well....YEAH when
people were in 'big wins' of any kind, they did tend to look like they're high....cuz they were/are! (on the auditing).

That vid made me sad, actually. So many emotions, really. :unsure:
 
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