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Leaked video from The AO Sydney 1992

Megalomaniac

Silver Meritorious Patron
My first question would have been...Are you gay ?
Hey RandomX, the gay-basher's forum ain't here. Woops!

Yes, however we are given the choice about 'when' and 'if' we feel up to revealing how it 'was' or 'is' for us. My concern is, that this choice could or would be taken away in this circumstance, for some 'existing' and/or 'about to become' members. I don't believe that this would be a good thing.


I wasn't suggesting that she was. SHE may be hurt though, if she was a member or a future member of this board, by simply having it posted and/or having members 'comment' on what she had to say, back then when she was talking to a select few.

How many of us would feel totally cool about having vids of our 'OT Completion' announcements, or course completion announcements, posted on this board without our permission? And, how many of us would feel kosher if members here, slagged off about what we said at the time? - This is my concern, be it a 'vaild' one or not.

I got ya, Carmel. Two more things, though.

1. She might be hurt at first. But when she realizes what she helped encourage others to do, I bet she'd be willing to do a follow up video, telling her present viewpoint on that win, which could turn into a footbullet for CoS. Or, if she still feels the same way, she should not be embarrassed to repeat the same message to the world, and should answer up for the other stuff which she helped cover up or contributed to unknowingly.

2. The "slagging" I've seen so far, only reveals randomx's character, not the target of the slagging. People who shovel shit tend to do nothing more than shovel it on their own face.
 

Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
4. I guess this is really a tech question. I do not believe the OT 3 incident holds any water. So what the F*&K is she so radiant andhappy about? Being done with the "ethics handling, lower conditions, cramming and trouble" she had to get through? Is she energised by the idea of her new status? Does the level walk you through challenges with the idea that "after this you can handle anything?" Guesses?

Although the theory of OT3 is absurd, it does seem that there is something real being addressed by the procedure. The procedure has much added inapplicable significance in it, but still seems to address to some extent things which can benefit the invidual. Exactly what has not been well isolated, as far as I know. I mention a few of my ideas in the thread on "Paul's Body Thetans."

In addition to that, there are also the factors of being done with the damn thing if it's been going on for a while, and the status, and being able to do the next level — whoopie.
 

Feral

Rogue male
I am Opter's husband, not Opter.

I would not be surprised at all if these vidclips turned out to be OSA plants, as they project such a falsely positive image of the inside workings of an Advanced Org that a genuine critic of this mindfuck cult would be unlikely to post them.

Thus I feel that we ought to be very careful about how we approach these vidclips.

Speaking very generally however, I would like to contribute the following comments, hopefully as correctives to whatever positive impression might be created by these vidclips, which until proven otherwise, I can only regard as deliberate OSA plants.

I was on OT VII for a number of years until the "advent" of GAT, when I bailed out in disgust, because instead of getting a profuse apology for having been made to waste an enormous amount of time and money on the level for nothing, I was confronted at the GAT release event by a "pay up or else" aggressive shakedown for another fifty grand, as downpayment on what would no doubt have ballooned into another few hundred grands down the gurgler, had I not decided there and then to pull the plug and put an immediate stop to my scientology "career."

Looking back, one gets a very clearsighted view of what the OT levels are really about.

The purpose of each OT level is for the pre-OT to systematically mindfuck himself, whether with auditor assistance or by his own lonesome, into a state of high elation where he can be shaken down once more by the SO regges and readily intimidated into parting with the next several tens of thousands of dollars worth of "donations", whether for the next major level, for some some real estate acquisition, for becoming a patron, or whatever else happens to be on the SO menu at the time, including of course becoming an SO slave.

Up to OT V, the pre-OT has an auditor to assist in systematically mindfucking himself, on OT VI the pre-OT learns to do the job on himself by himself, and on OTVII he systematically mindfucks himself several times a day into a state of high elation, consequently generally fucks up in life, and goes back to Flag every six months for another series of shakedowns, in no small part to "handle" the fuck ups that were caused in his life first and foremost by getting himself into those states of high elation several times a day.

The whole thing is a fabulous little money spinner for Flag, the chaotic mecca of vapourware, bulldust and sheer unmitigated hokum, home to some of the world's finest intimidators and shakedown artists.

By the way, it is of course not at all difficult to attain states of high elation entirely without scientology, if that's what turns one on, and consequently to faithfully believe in one's own bullshit, without in any way having to fork out hundreds of thousands of dollars for the privilege.

Public attests and success stories are of course an integral and indispensable part of the scam.

There are four basic purposes to success stories and attests, as audited, written, examined and gushed about in public to a gathering of other mindfuckees that happen to be present in the org at the time. One is legal, to protect the "church" against any possible comebacks by the mark on not having been delivered the vapourware "product" that he has paid for, or in other words, been shaken down for and intimidated into forking over. The second is to lock the mark in psychologically, so any future backdown would make him look an idiot both to himself and his fellow mindfuckees. Three, to maintain the mark in a state of high elation at least until he can be shaken down once more for as much as the traffic can bear. Four, to hold out the vapourware carrot before the noses of the other mindfuckees in the org, in confirmation that the particular piece of vapourware being gushed about actually "works," so as to make them salivate for it, and thereby to further cement group solidarity, beliefs and morale.

I don't know about you, but I would be inclined to assess these vidclips solely in light of these cold and unsentimental daylight considerations.

:hattip:

"G'day Mr Opter and welcome.:D

One thing though, please don't hold back like that in your next post. Tell us what you really think!

I did get it BTW and great posting.:thumbsup:
 

Free to shine

Shiny & Free

I was going to stop the video before the 'handclap for LRH' cause that makes me sick - and laughed my head off at the pic! Well done Anon.

Isn't it interesting that the subject of this is actually the stats - the "points"? It's a very good insight into how it was - is - and I hope some of the people in this video are now out and can see that the promises of a golden future were all so much hot wind.
 

Opter

Silver Meritorious Patron
In the video the man says that they need more auditors. Well, I was an auditor and they have lost me!:happydance: :cheerleader: :woohoo: :sing: :party: .

I always maintain that it is their loss and my GAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11:wow: :thewinner: :thewave:

No wonder that auditors in the field do not flood the orgs to audit PCs - the "party" line is that the so called "failed audutors'" have MUs bla.bla, bla - but the truth is, that if you audit for the org on a voluntary basis, they demand more and more of your time and use the "Ethics Tech", as intimidation, to force you to comply.:angry:

You give them a finger and they want your all body+.

Opter
 

Human Again

Silver Meritorious Patron
I am Opter's husband, not Opter.

I would not be surprised at all if these vidclips turned out to be OSA plants, as they project such a falsely positive image of the inside workings of an Advanced Org that a genuine critic of this mindfuck cult would be unlikely to post them.

Thus I feel that we ought to be very careful about how we approach these vidclips.

Speaking very generally however, I would like to contribute the following comments, hopefully as correctives to whatever positive impression might be created by these vidclips, which until proven otherwise, I can only regard as deliberate OSA plants.

I was on OT VII for a number of years until the "advent" of GAT, when I bailed out in disgust, because instead of getting a profuse apology for having been made to waste an enormous amount of time and money on the level for nothing, I was confronted at the GAT release event by a "pay up or else" aggressive shakedown for another fifty grand, as downpayment on what would no doubt have ballooned into another few hundred grands down the gurgler, had I not decided there and then to pull the plug and put an immediate stop to my scientology "career."

Looking back, one gets a very clearsighted view of what the OT levels are really about.

The purpose of each OT level is for the pre-OT to systematically mindfuck himself, whether with auditor assistance or by his own lonesome, into a state of high elation where he can be shaken down once more by the SO regges and readily intimidated into parting with the next several tens of thousands of dollars worth of "donations", whether for the next major level, for some some real estate acquisition, for becoming a patron, or whatever else happens to be on the SO menu at the time, including of course becoming an SO slave.

Up to OT V, the pre-OT has an auditor to assist in systematically mindfucking himself, on OT VI the pre-OT learns to do the job on himself by himself, and on OTVII he systematically mindfucks himself several times a day into a state of high elation, consequently generally fucks up in life, and goes back to Flag every six months for another series of shakedowns, in no small part to "handle" the fuck ups that were caused in his life first and foremost by getting himself into those states of high elation several times a day.

The whole thing is a fabulous little money spinner for Flag, the chaotic mecca of vapourware, bulldust and sheer unmitigated hokum, home to some of the world's finest intimidators and shakedown artists.

By the way, it is of course not at all difficult to attain states of high elation entirely without scientology, if that's what turns one on, and consequently to faithfully believe in one's own bullshit, without in any way having to fork out hundreds of thousands of dollars for the privilege.

Public attests and success stories are of course an integral and indispensable part of the scam.

There are four basic purposes to success stories and attests, as audited, written, examined and gushed about in public to a gathering of other mindfuckees that happen to be present in the org at the time. One is legal, to protect the "church" against any possible comebacks by the mark on not having been delivered the vapourware "product" that he has paid for, or in other words, been shaken down for and intimidated into forking over. The second is to lock the mark in psychologically, so any future backdown would make him look an idiot both to himself and his fellow mindfuckees. Three, to maintain the mark in a state of high elation at least until he can be shaken down once more for as much as the traffic can bear. Four, to hold out the vapourware carrot before the noses of the other mindfuckees in the org, in confirmation that the particular piece of vapourware being gushed about actually "works," so as to make them salivate for it, and thereby to further cement group solidarity, beliefs and morale.

I don't know about you, but I would be inclined to assess these vidclips solely in light of these cold and unsentimental daylight considerations.

:hattip:


Nice to know youa re out there Mr Opter, speaking your truth and shining the light on the smoke and mirrors that you have been in and through.

For someone who gave all her early life to the SO thinking people were benefitting from her work, the bitterness is, no doubt, a different flavor than someone who was sampling the wares, however I think we have a lot in common now.

Anyhow, thanks again, it helps me a great deal to hear how it really was for those travelling the train.
 

Human Again

Silver Meritorious Patron
Although the theory of OT3 is absurd, it does seem that there is something real being addressed by the procedure. The procedure has much added inapplicable significance in it, but still seems to address to some extent things which can benefit the invidual. Exactly what has not been well isolated, as far as I know. I mention a few of my ideas in the thread on "Paul's Body Thetans."

In addition to that, there are also the factors of being done with the damn thing if it's been going on for a while, and the status, and being able to do the next level — whoopie.

Thanks Paul, and also to Mr Opter, his answer was clearly a flavor I like but I also want to balance my bias when I can see it.
 

Opter

Silver Meritorious Patron
Nice to know youa re out there Mr Opter, speaking your truth and shining the light on the smoke and mirrors that you have been in and through.

For someone who gave all her early life to the SO thinking people were benefitting from her work, the bitterness is, no doubt, a different flavor than someone who was sampling the wares, however I think we have a lot in common now.

Anyhow, thanks again, it helps me a great deal to hear how it really was for those travelling the train.

You are most welcome, Human Again!

:wave: (Opter's husband)
 

Opter

Silver Meritorious Patron
By the way, Human Again, I have no bitterness toward the cult, only contempt.

:yes:

It was my decision to get involved and stay involved with the cult for over two decades, and bitterness was not at all on the menu when I decided to bail out, and neither has it been on the menu at any time since.

One does not feel bitter toward a used car salesman who sold one a lemon or toward a financial adviser who gave one a bum steer.

Because one is always accountable for one's decisions, even for poor decisions placing trust in fraudsters.

It was a commercial decision to get involved in scientology for reasons of self-interest and a measure of curiousity, and a commercial decision to bail out when I decided to cut my losses.

I have always regarded the losses incurred through the time and money spent on scientology as simply a commercial write-off on a bad investment.

My situation is therefore quite different from those who committed themselves to scientology for religious-spiritual reasons and to "save humanity."

I never had that kind of emotional investment in scientology.

I bought into scientology as a supposedly turbocharged self-improvement method that would help me be successful and achieve the goals I set myself in life.

And I kept running after the carrot in front of my nose until I got to the top of the bridge to nowhere, where after having given it a genuine go to the tune of almost a thousand VWD hours of solo auditing on OT VII, I gradually but very surely realised that I have been had.

When I finally got out, I left scientology with an equal measure of relief for having got out and contempt for what I was leaving behind.

:wave: (Opter's husband)
 
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Opter

Silver Meritorious Patron
Although the theory of OT3 is absurd, it does seem that there is something real being addressed by the procedure. The procedure has much added inapplicable significance in it, but still seems to address to some extent things which can benefit the invidual. Exactly what has not been well isolated, as far as I know. I mention a few of my ideas in the thread on "Paul's Body Thetans."

In addition to that, there are also the factors of being done with the damn thing if it's been going on for a while, and the status, and being able to do the next level — whoopie.

Methinks you vastly overcomplicate.

So let's demistify.

OT II and OT III train the pre-OT to get long series of reads on the meter.

This results in powerful floating needles and leads to the light hypnotic, delusional states of high elation that go with powerful F/Ns.

The long series of reads are attributed to BTs blowing off, and the BTs that supposedly blow off are supposedly stirred up by the commands pertaining to supposed implants on OT II and the commands pertaining to the supposed "incidents" on OT III, i.e. Incident II (Xenu) and Incident I (Chariot).

But I guarantee you that I can easily train anyone to generate reads at will on the meter, and produce a rapid series of falls, exactly the same as on OT III.

As background and stimulus for the exercise, any old story will do, that grabs their attention some way.

And they will experience the F/Ns and the light hypnotic, delusional states of high elation exactly the same as on OT III.

And they don't even need to be scientologists, and the meter does not even have to be an official scientology e-meter.

The implants, Xenu, Chariot and BTs are just hokum, there to impress the hapless mindfuckees and give a supposed purpose and supposed meaning to the exercise.

But you are right, having paid a small fortune for the privilege, then having got through a whole obstacle course of hoops and high jumps to become an initiate of the "mystery sandwich" of secrecy and mistique that scientology wraps OT III in, and finally the hoopla and high in-group status accorded to an OT III graduate at the end, all play a huge role in giving OT III the aura it has among scientologists.

:yes: (Opter's husband)
 
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Dulloldfart

Squirrel Extraordinaire
Senior Case Supervisor talking about OT3.
Rated: OT 2 and above only.
Watch at your own risk.
More to come.

I was curious to see if he revealed any OT3 data on camera, which would get him debarred from Advanced Courses forever according to Hubbard. Plus who would go to a briefing for OT2s only (OT3s wouldn't be that interested)? There aren't that many about.

He didn't reveal any confidential data. I assume it was just a general briefing to Clears to hot them up to be regged. There is a shot of the first page of the confidential OT3 pack, but that was added by the YouTube video creator, not in the original.

Paul
 

randomx

Patron with Honors
All the above videos have currently been pulled down by youtube due to
a copyright violation complaint from the "Church" of Scientology. New Zealand.

Any thoughts or suggestions I can hand on to the anon who posted them would be greatly appreciated.
 
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