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[Leon]

Yep. I think you have summed it up pretty well. I reckon though that the distinction which Hubbard made between Ethics an Morals is a pretty good one, and as I wrote in that essay of mine, if you can express it as a rule to be followed then it is Morals and not Ethics.

Ethics is about where you are coming from and responsibility is right in there with that concept.

 

[Mojo]

....hello. Myself, I am not an official ex. scientologist as I was never in the church. I was introduced to the subject though back in the eighties by what you would call 'old timers'.

Hello Aiki.

....So I decided basically that due to bypassed charge and whatever else much of the data written wasn't well understood either inside or outside of the place.

You have a remarkable mind! If you were never 'in' Scientology and (or but) you were introduced to the 'subject' back in the eighties, and today you make-decisions based on 'by-passed-charge', again I say, you have a remarkable mind! If Scientology doctrinal theory (i.e. understanding the meaning of by passed charge for example) could be gotten via intellectual-osmosis you are a living example of its value! Kudo's to you.

Here on this thread I see Leon addressing the subject of Ethics and it seems a good reasoned approach to me and it reminds me that I found most of the bypassed charge stuff was on that subject in most of the people I met. Once again fascinating albeit understandable when reading the horror stories done in the name of it.

Shame really.

I like the subject myself but not as understood by most or as used by most either, it's just a fascinating subject. I look forward to any more insights on the subject myself.

Peace.Aiki.

One down side to (one particular aspect of) Scientology-Doctrinal-Theory is the theory of 'cleverly not telling the truth in the interest of furthering a personal or collective aim as being a principle/discovery of a spiritual-technology, worthy of our human aspiration. Which it is not. I would say.

Which is not to say you are not telling the truth Aiki. That's an old 'if the shoe fits wear it' type of thing. Which only you would know (and God, and Ron). I'm just mentioning it owing to your:

...I look forward to any more insights on the subject myself....

The reality of the Scientology Decree: 'cleverly not telling the truth in the interest of furthering a personal or collective aim as being a principle/discovery of a spiritual-technology worthy of our human aspiration' can be found with a bit of searching Scientology Scriptures. Some call it The-Acceptable-Truth (to save-all-of-mankind) doctrine. Others deny it even exists. Lol!

For me the essential question about Scientology and its Individual and Social philosophical ramifications comes down to this (as a metaphor): 'If You (or I) were starving of physical hunger (along with our respective families) and a man came to our door and offered us food, under the agreement that knowingly, or unknowingly, our acceptance of that food (equaling life for us and our loved ones) would necessarily demand/require that a number of our neighbors, either known or unknown, and 'their' loved ones, would pay a steep and painful price for it, would we do it?' Would you? Would I?

That is the question in its highest and greatest philosophical terms, for me.

Of course the food will feed me and my family (and will feed you and yours) and keep us alive. But for how long? and at what ultimate social/collective price to pay? (for it) In another thread on this board Scientology was called the Neitszcheism of Religion (in so many words). Which was actually quite an insightful quip. It is in the final analysis all about I and My Being (and where 'I' can help you, you matter, and where I can't, you don't). With the major break from Nietzsche coming in the form of the Scientology-cloaking of it's blatant pursuit of personal-spiritual-power in socially appealing terms. Lol. Which is to say, Nietzsche, at least, was honest.

Mojo

 

[Aiki]

Yep. I think you have summed it up pretty well. I reckon though that the distinction which Hubbard made between Ethics an Morals is a pretty good one, and as I wrote in that essay of mine, if you can express it as a rule to be followed then it is Morals and not Ethics.

Ethics is about where you are coming from and responsibility is right in there with that concept.

Yep, I agree with the distinction re: morals too.

Where you are coming from is there, I agree with that too. I also agree that there are various conditions and so you are at or in a condition and it's just a matter of knowing where you are.

So I look at the conditions as part of a cycle of progress so knowing where you are on that cycle regarding something is very useful as we tend to be tempted to put ourselves in the wrong place on the cycle.

Not saying anyone has to agree with the names given to the conditions per the Ethics book but the concept of different conditions being part of a progressive cycle I find useful and workable.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Aiki]

Hello Aiki.



You have a remarkable mind! If you were never 'in' Scientology and (or but) you were introduced to the 'subject' back in the eighties, and today you make-decisions based on 'by-passed-charge', again I say, you have a remarkable mind! If Scientology doctrinal theory (i.e. understanding the meaning of by passed charge for example) could be gotten via intellectual-osmosis you are a living example of its value! Kudo's to you.




One down side to (one particular aspect of) Scientology-Doctrinal-Theory is the theory of 'cleverly not telling the truth in the interest of furthering a personal or collective aim as being a principle/discovery of a spiritual-technology, worthy of our human aspiration. Which it is not. I would say.

Which is not to say you are not telling the truth Aiki. That's an old 'if the shoe fits wear it' type of thing. Which only you would know (and God, and Ron). I'm just mentioning it owing to your:



The reality of the Scientology Decree: 'cleverly not telling the truth in the interest of furthering a personal or collective aim as being a principle/discovery of a spiritual-technology worthy of our human aspiration' can be found with a bit of searching Scientology Scriptures. Some call it The-Acceptable-Truth (to save-all-of-mankind) doctrine. Others deny it even exists. Lol!

For me the essential question about Scientology and its Individual and Social philosophical ramifications comes down to this (as a metaphor): 'If You (or I) were starving of physical hunger (along with our respective families) and a man came to our door and offered us food, under the agreement that knowingly, or unknowingly, our acceptance of that food (equaling life for us and our loved ones) would necessarily demand/require that a number of our neighbors, either known or unknown, and 'their' loved ones, would pay a steep and painful price for it, would we do it?' Would you? Would I?

That is the question in its highest and greatest philosophical terms, for me.

Of course the food will feed me and my family (and will feed you and yours) and keep us alive. But for how long? and at what ultimate social/collective price to pay? (for it) In another thread on this board Scientology was called the Neitszcheism of Religion (in so many words). Which was actually quite an insightful quip. It is in the final analysis all about I and My Being (and where 'I' can help you, you matter, and where I can't, you don't). With the major break from Nietzsche coming in the form of the Scientology-cloaking of it's blatant pursuit of personal-spiritual-power in socially appealing terms. Lol. Which is to say, Nietzsche, at least, was honest.

Mojo

Hi Mojo. You seem very sceptical I try to keep a clear mind yes and as to remarkable well probably all minds are. I have met many ex. scientologists as I have said ie: I went to the aac east grinstead. Back then I couldn't get enough of the books and reading what this guy Ron said. I became very well ofai with the subject. I think I have quite a good understanding of it and that includes much of the lingo they used to used from bpc to db to pink sheets (must admit that one always made me laugh) the sheer stupidity of it.

Well your scene of starving family and the question you pose is easy for me to answer so I don't know how its such a great high philosophical thing. Doing something for selfish reasons which harms others is no good. Very simple to me.

The concepts of great spiritual power to me should be replaced with great spiritual, mental and physical well being. The word power itself has too much egotistical significance to it as far as I am concerned.

Then we have the concept of OT. Well 90% of those I spoke to and met saw that as some super identity lo! More ego. Actually I prefered the word theta and thus the aim would be to be more thetaful if that's a word. In Aikido we use the term Ki and tai chi would call it chi. Still even there it's the same story really for most get the idea they want super powers like superman or something.

If you really want to know I have in myself considered myself buddhist. Even as I kid I did which didn't make sense really seeings I was brought up in London and generally christian. This has never changed , no wonder I liked that hymn of asia

So in essence I see it all as self development.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Thanks for allowing us to do better. Very gracious of you.

The last CO$ scientologists I met, and about the only ones I met in
20 years,were picketing Sam Domingo's house when she was giving a Party
for Mike Rinder. Despite my friendly overtures they wouldn't even talk to me.

For examples of scientologists doing better, any stories of their leaving CO$
would be examples. In fact very similar to the stories of exes leaving CO$.

Terril,

I wasn't 'allowing you to do better' I was pointing out (quote below) that having left the cofs and being free of cofs restraints and stress the person is then back in the real world where people 'do better' as a matter of course, or not depending on circumstance and inclination.

Indies/FreeZoners etc are (factually) ex scientologists and are entirely free to 'do better' (live like normal people without the restraints and stress that the cofs imposes on them) so they don't count.

so the point of scientology is to leave scientology?

Well said, it seems that way to me too.

if one wishes to keep on with Scn its essential to leave CO$

Terril, you didn't leave ... you were thrown out, as many of the more inflammatory and pushy Indies (here) were.

It is not a matter of doing better than anyone else - it's a matter of doing better than you were able to do before. Compare yourself to yourself only, how you are now as compared to how you were before.

And in this regard one has to exclude everything that is happening and has happened to guys in the Sea org and CofS style "Cult-ology" for the last 20 and more years, since for the most part they have not been doing any Scientology.

Yes Leon, I knew that (I recall the promo about making the 'able more able') but it's not just the last 20 years or more that the cofs has been a cult ... it was cultic from the start and how you fail to see that (now) is astonishing, there are stories and dox all over the Internet some of which date from the very start.

Neither of you can come up with a single, simple example of how someone 'does better' in the cofs so I'll assume that you both had significant, unwanted issues that cofs tech resolved and that allowed you to then do better in life, which is good.

Many exes don't seem to have had issues in the first place though (or they were insignificant) and they were/are the people the cofs really wants. People with issues (and being a 'know best' is one of the worst issues you could have in the cofs) are considered a pain in the arse and usually end up getting thrown out because they are inflammatory, noisy and non compliant ... troll like.

The cofs is an organisation of people that believe they have all the answers and always know best ... and many Indies seem to be people that also believe they have all the answers and know best. The cofs (understandably) didn't need or want them because trolling is a pointless distraction to saving planets ... so eventually, you all came here instead.

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[Leon]

Yes dear. BTW I much prefer your earlier avatar. Could we have it back please?

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Yes dear. BTW I much prefer your earlier avatar. Could we have it back please?

Yes petal, I'll put it back soon ... here's one for you, Roger and Terril to fight over.

 

[Terril park]

Terril, you didn't leave ... you were thrown out, as many of the more inflammatory and pushy Indies (here) were.

I left and wasn't thrown out. Where did you get that idea?

 

[Aiki]

Hi Leon.
I thought of another factor basically in alignment with what you were saying re: Ethics and conditions and my 'defining' of good and that is discipline.

From my view in life and in Aikido for example there is getting the data, understanding, applying and practicing, gaining competence and skill all part of a cycle. All good. Then there is points let's say in Aikido training for example when you hit something like a wall. You know what to do, you understand analytically and yet try as you might you just can't get the technique to work. This is where discipline comes in, you could equate it with drills. You just have to get through the barrier, takes effort and maybe even restimulation but that's the way through at that point rather than stay questioning and questioning and getting nowhere and end up blaming etc.

So when your car isn't working and you know what the problem is and how to fix it you may sit there and complain and put off doing something about it and, and and. But the simple truth is you have a choice. That's what makes it personal. It's your choice. You know it's going to take discipline and effort. You know it's condition needs improving. You know that without doing so it will affect other areas (or dynamics if you like) You, we, know this. Thus as it is then to do with improving the condition and scene from the viewpoint of good it thus comes under the subject of ethics. Discipline is required to fix the problem.

So inherent in Ethics is this factor of discipline and with it lots of effort.

Funny how so many who complain about many things in life when checked in my experience seem to lack this factor. Mmmmmm.

My thoughts.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Leon]

Seems to = the willingness to apply force + control.

 

[Aiki]

Seems to = the willingness to apply force + control.

Mmm. Sort of. I'd call it the willingness to use effort and discipline to improve something. Effort being a much better word than force and to improve leaves out the very misunderstood concept and misuse of control.

I don't believe the symbol of krc is very ethical or serves any good purpose myself.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[Mojo]

Hi Mojo. You seem very sceptical I try to keep a clear mind yes and as to remarkable well probably all minds are. I have met many ex. scientologists as I have said ie: I went to the aac east grinstead. Back then I couldn't get enough of the books and reading what this guy Ron said. I became very well ofai with the subject. I think I have quite a good understanding of it and that includes much of the lingo they used to used from bpc to db to pink sheets (must admit that one always made me laugh) the sheer stupidity of it.

Well your scene of starving family and the question you pose is easy for me to answer so I don't know how its such a great high philosophical thing. Doing something for selfish reasons which harms others is no good. Very simple to me.

Nice. The reason I consider it to be a great high philosophical thing is because so many people over the years (around the world) have made the choice that you (and I) seemingly wouldn't. I think a better example (at the moment) where Scientology 'tech' is concerned would be something along the lines of: If the 'tech' were a newly discovered vaccine that had proven tremendous potential for alleviating human suffering (of primarily the mental emotional, i.e. spiritual) variety, But, it contained a host of virus's that were equally well known to do much damage to individuals taking it (and even family and friends) I would prefer that 'vaccine' be kept off the market for public consumption until the virus's could be removed. Idealistic I understand. Nonetheless it captures my take on it.

The concepts of great spiritual power to me should be replaced with great spiritual, mental and physical well being. The word power itself has too much egotistical significance to it as far as I am concerned.

Agreed. Ditto with the word 'God', for me. With the upshot being the word 'God' (unwittingly in most cases) points to exactly that: a huge egotistical being constructed by the mind of spiritually sleeping man. My opinion. And if God is real, well then, she can deal with it and deal with me (and my blasphemous speech) however she see's fit. Whenever shes good & ready. lol.

Then we have the concept of OT. Well 90% of those I spoke to and met saw that as some super identity lo! More ego. Actually I prefered the word theta and thus the aim would be to be more thetaful if that's a word. In Aikido we use the term Ki and tai chi would call it chi. Still even there it's the same story really for most get the idea they want super powers like superman or something.

Nice again. You are fortunate Aiki, on more than one front (which I sense you realize). On 1 (for example) you imply 10% of the OT's you have met are authentically spiritually awakened beings at best, or are decent non-egomaniac type individuals at worst. Is that a mis-characterization of what you said (about the 90%)? If so, my bad. Lol. If not, I have yet to meet a living OT that wasn't wounded spiritually/psychologically by their experience with the church of scientology. Which admittedly does not cover a broad swatch of territory, but is nonetheless true. Actually I have not yet met a real OT outside of their 'still dealing with the consequences of their engagement with the church as they struggle to separate delusion from inspiration, to get to the OTness of what they are, in present time. Muddy sentence, I know. The essential point being you are fortunate. From my point of view.

If you really want to know I have in myself considered myself buddhist. Even as I kid I did which didn't make sense really seeings I was brought up in London and generally christian. This has never changed , no wonder I liked that hymn of asia

You got me there Aiki. lol. That Hubbard would have the balls (and or the gall) to 'imply' not only that 'he' was the Buddha, lol, but that he is 'worshipped best' in certain physical-locations, is beyond my capacity to casually endure (without whispering 'bull shit' to myself....loudly) let alone admire. But hey, that's the beauty of having both chocolate and vanilla ice cream available to enjoy. So to speak. To each their own.

So in essence I see it all as self development.

Peace.Aiki.

In essence, I do too.

Which brings me to Leon. And brings me here, to his page. I have never met Leon in person, but I have met him in a round about way, through his words. And I cannot help but feel he is one of those 10% you speak of. To wit: Leon is a good and decent OT. The role I am playing (think implanted or assigned lol) in Leon's life (in this passing moment) is one of expanding Leon's sense of his Personal Individual Being to Being that which Includes all of Humanity (the good the bad and the indifferent). Which is to say, in metaphoric terms: If life were a garden, Leon is the tree, at the center of that garden, & everyone else are mere leaves and fruits of that tree of Life, called he, Leon. Damn it, muddy again. lol. Nonetheless, such 'expansion' may never happen (in this lifetime) given Ron's trashing of our Universal Spiritual Connectedness via his 'airy-fairy' 'A=A', 'we are not connected beings', diatribe, that so many of Ron's (otherwise intelligent) followers simply mis-perceive, to be true. Which they must mis-perceive to be true, of course, so the world of Ron can be saved (from itself).

Which is akin to me of a surgeon about to perform an operation on a human being (were the whole world spiritually represents one human being) and when asked what surgery he was about to perform, the surgeon replies, 'well, I'm going to remove his ass-hole'. WHY? the questioner asks, to which the surgeon replies: 'because its stinky and does nothing but produce shit'. Not realizing that every part of the individual and collective body of Our Individual Spiritual Being is playing an essential role. He operates.

Mojo

 

[Aiki]

Nice. The reason I consider it to be a great high philosophical thing is because so many people over the years (around the world) have made the choice that you (and I) seemingly wouldn't. I think a better example (at the moment) where Scientology 'tech' is concerned would be something along the lines of: If the 'tech' were a newly discovered vaccine that had proven tremendous potential for alleviating human suffering (of primarily the mental emotional, i.e. spiritual) variety, But, it contained a host of virus's that were equally well known to do much damage to individuals taking it (and even family and friends) I would prefer that 'vaccine' be kept off the market for public consumption until the virus's could be removed. Idealistic I understand. Nonetheless it captures my take on it.



Agreed. Ditto with the word 'God', for me. With the upshot being the word 'God' (unwittingly in most cases) points to exactly that: a huge egotistical being constructed by the mind of spiritually sleeping man. My opinion. And if God is real, well then, she can deal with it and deal with me (and my blasphemous speech) however she see's fit. Whenever shes good & ready. lol.



Nice again. You are fortunate Aiki, on more than one front (which I sense you realize). On 1 (for example) you imply 10% of the OT's you have met are authentically spiritually awakened beings at best, or are decent non-egomaniac type individuals at worst. Is that a mis-characterization of what you said (about the 90%)? If so, my bad. Lol. If not, I have yet to meet a living OT that wasn't wounded spiritually/psychologically by their experience with the church of scientology. Which admittedly does not cover a broad swatch of territory, but is nonetheless true. Actually I have not yet met a real OT outside of their 'still dealing with the consequences of their engagement with the church as they struggle to separate delusion from inspiration, to get to the OTness of what they are, in present time. Muddy sentence, I know. The essential point being you are fortunate. From my point of view.



You got me there Aiki. lol. That Hubbard would have the balls (and or the gall) to 'imply' not only that 'he' was the Buddha, lol, but that he is 'worshipped best' in certain physical-locations, is beyond my capacity to casually endure (without whispering 'bull shit' to myself....loudly) let alone admire. But hey, that's the beauty of having both chocolate and vanilla ice cream available to enjoy. So to speak. To each their own.



In essence, I do too.

Which brings me to Leon. And brings me here, to his page. I have never met Leon in person, but I have met him in a round about way, through his words. And I cannot help but feel he is one of those 10% you speak of. To wit: Leon is a good and decent OT. The role I am playing (think implanted or assigned lol) in Leon's life (in this passing moment) is one of expanding Leon's sense of his Personal Individual Being to Being that which Includes all of Humanity (the good the bad and the indifferent). Which is to say, in metaphoric terms: If life were a garden, Leon is the tree, at the center of that garden, & everyone else are mere leaves and fruits of that tree of Life, called he, Leon. Damn it, muddy again. lol. Nonetheless, such 'expansion' may never happen (in this lifetime) given Ron's trashing of our Universal Spiritual Connectedness via his 'airy-fairy' 'A=A', 'we are not connected beings', diatribe, that so many of Ron's (otherwise intelligent) followers simply mis-perceive, to be true. Which they must mis-perceive to be true, of course, so the world of Ron can be saved (from itself).

Which is akin to me of a surgeon about to perform an operation on a human being (were the whole world spiritually represents one human being) and when asked what surgery he was about to perform, the surgeon replies, 'well, I'm going to remove his ass-hole'. WHY? the questioner asks, to which the surgeon replies: 'because its stinky and does nothing but produce shit'. Not realizing that every part of the individual and collective body of Our Individual Spiritual Being is playing an essential role. He operates.

Mojo

Nice one Mojo.

The hymn of asia I did love as it was a poem and so I gave him poetic licence there. Something about it I loved was especially the message that you can love, be positive, on all dynamics. It rang true with my personal what I called Buddhist point of view. Another thing I found fascinating is that it was so 'unronlike' and even joked with myself that it must have come through him rather than from him.

The OT thing or rather percentage you've got me looking at again now lol. The charachterisation is fine yes.

Definitely in my experience I met plenty who boasted their otness but seemed to me to be as ot as my little finger and that would be without doubt at least 90% of them. The more capable folk didn't boast at all and many were even not aware of just how capable they were by my observations.

The 10%?Yes many were hurt by and injured by their involvement with the church that's true. I haven't met any who were in it who were not now you mention it. But there again if you aint got injured somewhere along the line you probably didn't do much. It can be injurous just seeing the madness of others to others looking from a flow perspective but still the real injury first and foremost is our own resistance, karma, locked up chi or charge or whatever else you want to call it on said flow.

But hey, to improve we gotta learn to even love and understand our enemies and those of unethical behaviour and stop being so negative before we can even see for real let alone improve really good abilities. Such is my view.

Like your views anyway, good on ya.

Peace.Aiki.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

I left and wasn't thrown out. Where did you get that idea?

I can't remember ... most of the noisier Indies do seem to have been slung out though or were in heavy 'ethics' situations just prior to 'leaving' and possibly were about to be. Hey, you were apparently the bright ones ... right up until you spoiled it all by reinventing the tek and later plastering it all over ESMB with more fervour than the cofs!

 

[Mojo]

Nice one Mojo.

Thanks Aiki. (smile) Right back at you.

The hymn of asia I did love as it was a poem and so I gave him poetic licence there. Something about it I loved was especially the message that you can love, be positive, on all dynamics. It rang true with my personal what I called Buddhist point of view. Another thing I found fascinating is that it was so 'unronlike' and even joked with myself that it must have come through him rather than from him.

Nice. 3 beautiful (and powerful) points (that I can see).

#1. "Something about it I loved was especially the message that you can love, be positive, on all dynamics."

What you loved was what you saw of yourself in 'it' my friend. The beauty & goodness of your own spiritual being appearing in the form of 'another'. That's what you saw. And what I see. And that's what all see. Eventually. The perversity of 'it' lies in the fact that you (and I) at some level of our spiritual being call for the thief to steal our own spiritual goods (in the middle of the night) and sell them back to us, in order that we might experience spiritually, what it 'means' to actually lose anything (and or to actually lose everything, in Life (and in Being). We do not know. And we cannot know. Not in the absence of our humanly-suffering our spiritual-ignorance can we overcome this precise type and kind of manifest game called 'the world on earth' circa (fill in the blank) May 26th, 2013, where human individuals imagine their personal greatness to supersede the spiritual greatness of those conscious-beings that preceded (and followed) them. I imagine and believe.

Which some call know.

But hey, to improve we gotta learn to even love and understand our enemies and those of unethical behaviour and stop being so negative before we can even see for real let alone improve really good abilities. Such is my view.

Your 'Spirit of Goodness & Peace' my (unknown) Friend, travels faster than the speed of light.

Like your views anyway, good on ya.

envision mirror......lol!

Peace.Aiki.

Understanding Joy.
Mojo

 

[Leon]

Which brings me to Leon. And brings me here, to his page. I have never met Leon in person, but I have met him in a round about way, through his words. And I cannot help but feel he is one of those 10% you speak of. To wit: Leon is a good and decent OT. The role I am playing (think implanted or assigned lol) in Leon's life (in this passing moment) is one of expanding Leon's sense of his Personal Individual Being to Being that which Includes all of Humanity (the good the bad and the indifferent). Which is to say, in metaphoric terms: If life were a garden, Leon is the tree, at the center of that garden, & everyone else are mere leaves and fruits of that tree of Life, called he, Leon. Damn it, muddy again. lol. Nonetheless, such 'expansion' may never happen (in this lifetime) given Ron's trashing of our Universal Spiritual Connectedness via his 'airy-fairy' 'A=A', 'we are not connected beings', diatribe, that so many of Ron's (otherwise intelligent) followers simply mis-perceive, to be true. Which they must mis-perceive to be true, of course, so the world of Ron can be saved (from itself).

Which is akin to me of a surgeon about to perform an operation on a human being (were the whole world spiritually represents one human being) and when asked what surgery he was about to perform, the surgeon replies, 'well, I'm going to remove his ass-hole'. WHY? the questioner asks, to which the surgeon replies: 'because its stinky and does nothing but produce shit'. Not realizing that every part of the individual and collective body of Our Individual Spiritual Being is playing an essential role. He operates.

Mojo

Could someone translate this into English for me please.

 

[Mojo]

Could someone translate this into English for me please.

It means, in English, the ability to discern the presence of 'gibbersh' is an acknowlegement of the presence of intelligence (discerning the gibberish) being its opposite. Get it?

No?

Ok. It's all good.

Carry on.

Mojo

 

[In present time]

It means, in English, the ability to discern the presence of 'gibbersh' is an acknowlegement of the presence of intelligence (discerning the gibberish) being its opposite. Get it?

No?

Ok. It's all good.

Carry on.

Mojo

Are assholes like thetans, I wonder? I mean in Leons case, does he HAVE one, or IS he one?

 

[degraded being]

Are assholes like thetans, I wonder? I mean in Leons case, does he HAVE one, or IS he one?

Not necessarily referring to Leon here:
It could be useful with transferring sci-cult indoc skills to other areas of life.
"You are not your body or your thetan. And you do not have an arsehole, you are an arsehole.....why don't you sign up for some counselling right now and I will see that if this is not real to you, it soon will be."
Wotcha fink?

 

[Aiki]

Seems there's a bit of bpc on Leon

Mmmm, leads to non optimum communications:wink2:

Peace.Aiki.