Let’s get the UK Rolling.

[mate]

While it is not yet a wrap in Australia, the momentum is there and unless there is some unforeseen development, the CofS as we know it, will be dismantled in Australia and New Zealand. Now, as you know, there are some flow-on effects to the CofS in the UK. I am, of course, referring to the multi-million pound money laundering being achieved through COSRECI. While fraud is involved, it actually goes deeper, in that not only is the CofS income tax-exempt through fraud, but 80 to 90% of their income flows out to the US and then to Antigua in Merril Lynch numbered accounts. The money is not used for charitable purposes.

In addition to which, the UK has what might be called, a fragile House of Commons. Before the recent election in Australia, the opposition effectively controlled the Senate, which certainly increased the power of the independents. The UK has a minority government since your recent election. I do appreciate that the House of Lords is not like the Australian Senate but I’m sure you have a Xenophon or two in the Commons as well as some influential Lords. If you’re not sure, have a chat with leading journalists in your key media, such as BBC’s Sweeny when you have some red-hot exposes, such as coerced family disconnection, coerced abortions, coerced perjury, covered up pedophilia and incest, physical abuse.

Because of this, the scientology operation in the UK should be our next target. So I am going to make some suggestions for what they are worth, on how former scientologists in the UK might approach this.

What happened in Australia was not planned. It started as a loose network of former associates who were posting on ESMB. This group included two key Opinion Leaders and from this, gained traction. Then threads were started on ESMB, which covered human rights abuses, which covered mainly Australian CofS activities. Carmel decided to contact the press, all newspapers, TV and so on. With one major newspaper, she struck gold. The journalist had been dealing with Senator Xenophon. And you, of course, know the rest of the story.

The first step is to connect up. If we can do it, you can do it, and now is the time.

Regards, David.

 

[La La Lou Lou]

Mate that's a worthy sentiment!

 

[RolandRB]

While it is not yet a wrap in Australia, the momentum is there and unless there is some unforeseen development, the CofS as we know it, will be dismantled in Australia and New Zealand. Now, as you know, there are some flow-on effects to the CofS in the UK. I am, of course, referring to the multi-million pound money laundering being achieved through COSRECI. While fraud is involved, it actually goes deeper, in that not only is the CofS income tax-exempt through fraud, but 80 to 90% of their income flows out to the US and then to Antigua in Merril Lynch numbered accounts. The money is not used for charitable purposes.

In addition to which, the UK has what might be called, a fragile House of Commons. Before the recent election in Australia, the opposition effectively controlled the Senate, which certainly increased the power of the independents. The UK has a minority government since your recent election. I do appreciate that the House of Lords is not like the Australian Senate but I’m sure you have a Xenophon or two in the Commons as well as some influential Lords. If you’re not sure, have a chat with leading journalists in your key media, such as BBC’s Sweeny when you have some red-hot exposes, such as coerced family disconnection, coerced abortions, coerced perjury, covered up pedophilia and incest, physical abuse.

Because of this, the scientology operation in the UK should be our next target. So I am going to make some suggestions for what they are worth, on how former scientologists in the UK might approach this.

What happened in Australia was not planned. It started as a loose network of former associates who were posting on ESMB. This group included two key Opinion Leaders and from this, gained traction. Then threads were started on ESMB, which covered human rights abuses, which covered mainly Australian CofS activities. Carmel decided to contact the press, all newspapers, TV and so on. With one major newspaper, she struck gold. The journalist had been dealing with Senator Xenophon. And you, of course, know the rest of the story.

The first step is to connect up. If we can do it, you can do it, and now is the time.

Regards, David.

What has happened in the antipodes has no consequences for the UK.

The Audit Commission in the UK have been active on this but it remains to be seen what they will do.

 

[Free to shine]

What has happened in the antipodes has no consequences for the UK.

The Audit Commission in the UK have been active on this but it remains to be seen what they will do.

Of course it has consequence, stop being a wet blanket.

 

[Panda Termint]

In a world full of glass-half-full/glass-half-empty people, Roland still chooses to shout, "Wake up people, there are no farkin' glasses!"

He's contrary that way.

 

[GreyWolf]

It is certainly going to have to happen in Great Britan because that American govenment doesn't have the balls for it.

 

[RolandRB]

Of course it has consequence, stop being a wet blanket.

Xenophon is not known in the UK. Dirty Harry the psychic crocodile, yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9YC6erO6jM

If Dirty Harry predicts the cult goes down then I am all for it.

 

[secretiveoldfag]

I'm all for clearing the UK.

Time they knew what was going on in other places, if they don't already.

 

[hartley]

the multi-million pound money laundering being achieved through COSRECI. While fraud is involved, it actually goes deeper, in that not only is the CofS income tax-exempt

It is not. It would like to be, but it isn't. As Roland says, the Australian events are an example of what can be done but won't have any direct effect in the UK. Australia will be adopting anti-cult measures the UK already has in place!

The UK has a minority government since your recent election.

It's a coalition government, between the largest and third place parties in the last election.

BBC’s Sweeny

Foreigners misunderstand John Sweeney's occupation. He is a PRESENTER on BBC Panorama and does not get to decide what he reports on. There are journalists who know about the CoS and they get any help we can give them.

The first step is to connect up. If we can do it, you can do it, and now is the time.

http://forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=12178
No signs of that happening! I'm not an ex-member. Without them we can only harass, we have CoS(UK) down to less than 2,000 members but further we cannot go given their few rich members and the CoS obligation to keep Saint Hill open until the bitter end.

 

[Zinjifar]

It is not. It would like to be, but it isn't. As Roland says, the Australian events are an example of what can be done but won't have any direct effect in the UK. Australia will be adopting anti-cult measures the UK already has in place!

I'm not directly cognizant of the real legal conditions in *either* country, but, my impression is that the 'Church' of Scientology manages to evade exactly the UK anti-cult measures because of a reciprocal treaty obligation with Australia.

If that's the case, what happens in Oz *will* have effect in the UK in general.

Zinj

 

[Free to shine]

In a world full of glass-half-full/glass-half-empty people, Roland still chooses to shout, "Wake up people, there are no farkin' glasses!"

He's contrary that way.

That really cracked me up Panda!

 

[mate]

OK, Roland, I wasn’t strictly correct, so let me correct these points.

While the CofS in the UK does not have a tax-exemption, it has circumvented this by having COSRECI registered as a foreign company, when in fact it is only a registered Australian association, and claiming it has tax exemption in Australia, which it does not and indeed cannot. All UK CofS income is deposited into COSRECI accounts and 10% or so is then transferred into local CofS accounts and I assume that they are paying tax on these accounts. The balance of up to 90%, is transferred to a Merril Lynch account in the US … etc. So the CofS in the UK effectively has given itself tax-exemption, but it is in fact, money-laundering. I trust this is more to your liking.

While Xenophon is not a household name in the UK, you would be surprised of the members of the Lords and the Commons, who have been fully briefed on what has happened here, not to mention HMRC.

The Coalition to survive, is dependent upon the minor party, the Liberal Democrats, agreeing. While a long-term coalition can survive, a new coalition is much less likely and there is indeed, a major gap between the policies of the two parties. Yes, you do have a minority government.

I did not suggest, nor am I suggesting, that what happens in Australia will have an impact of the UK. What I am saying, is that as a result of the COSRECI investigation, the CofS is coming or about to come, under some major pressure, and so will be distracted.

Regards, David.

 

[RolandRB]

OK, Roland, I wasn’t strictly correct, so let me correct these points.

While the CofS in the UK does not have a tax-exemption, it has circumvented this by having COSRECI registered as a foreign company, when in fact it is only a registered Australian association, and claiming it has tax exemption in Australia, which it does not and indeed cannot. All UK CofS income is deposited into COSRECI accounts and 10% or so is then transferred into local CofS accounts and I assume that they are paying tax on these accounts. The balance of up to 90%, is transferred to a Merril Lynch account in the US … etc. So the CofS in the UK effectively has given itself tax-exemption, but it is in fact, money-laundering. I trust this is more to your liking.

While Xenophon is not a household name in the UK, you would be surprised of the members of the Lords and the Commons, who have been fully briefed on what has happened here, not to mention HMRC.

The Coalition to survive, is dependent upon the minor party, the Liberal Democrats, agreeing. While a long-term coalition can survive, a new coalition is much less likely and there is indeed, a major gap between the policies of the two parties. Yes, you do have a minority government.

I did not suggest, nor am I suggesting, that what happens in Australia will have an impact of the UK. What I am saying, is that as a result of the COSRECI investigation, the CofS is coming or about to come, under some major pressure, and so will be distracted.

Regards, David.

Having a clear picture of what happens to money collected in the UK would be useful. The bank accounts and where the money gets transferred to. I guess the unaudited financial statements are a fabrication. They still show an income of 12 million a year which does not make sense. What do you think?

Were you one of the banking officers? If so then I would like a brief description of the set-up and how money gets transferred and how the unaudited financial statements get written and I would like to include that in my document somehow. Or was anyone else here a banking officer at St Hill who could write this up? If it is suitable I could include it in section 4.8 of my document.

 

[I told you I was trouble]

Xenophon is not known in the UK. Dirty Harry the psychic crocodile, yes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9YC6erO6jM

If Dirty Harry predicts the cult goes down then I am all for it.

Almost a done deal.

Dirty Harry is now on tape snappily asking the question "do you feel lucky, cult ... well do ya?"

It's really just a matter of time now.



DOF or Freewill may know about the banking set up that you are interested in.

 

[mate]

I was not an FBO, I received the information, as set out below, from an FBO, who wishes to remain anonymous but is a very reliable source. You are probably aware of this thread and the developments in it. The following information is the first posting on the thread, “UK's Scientology's Tax Evasion and Money Laundering” which was started on 23rd December 2009. The following is a link to that thread.
http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?t=15489

I would suggest that all of the financial data lodged by the CofS, is not only pure fiction, but that it was developed by GO/OSA staff who had absolutely no understanding of standard double entry bookkeeping and balance sheets. This was very obvious from the CofS NZ OSA, in their presentation at the Senate Committee hearing in Canberra, last May.

David.

The Church of Scientology has registered the name, “Church of Scientology Religious Education College Incorporated”. This is a South Australian registered association (Registration Number A5172), which I believe has a registered office in the Church of Scientology of Adelaide at 18 Waymouth St, Adelaide, SA 5000.

Overseas corporate accounts were set up with the National Westminster Bank in the UK. The accounts were/are called Church of Scientology Religious Education College Incorporated AOSHUK Finance Office No 1 Account, Church of Scientology Religious Education College Incorporated AOSHUK Finance Office Account No 2. As far as I can determine, the funds in those two accounts were dispersed to other overseas corporate accounts with the National Westminster Bank called the Church of Scientology Religious Education College Incorporated Main Accounts, Church of Scientology Religious Education College Incorporated Reserve Accounts, Church of Scientology Religious Education College Incorporated HCO Accounts of the various scientology organisations in the UK, however, most of the money was remitted to the US. None of the funds were remitted to Australia, whatsoever, and no tax was paid in Australia. It should also be noted that I suspect that the use of the name “Church of Scientology Religious Education College Incorporated” was chosen because it would have led the UK bank, the National Westminster Bank to consider it a genuine corporation rather than a registered association, and so bound by corporate law rather than having few, if any, rules. So as a result the bank would assume that income tax would be paid in Australia, which of course, it wasn’t.

As I understand it, the system was set up in the early ‘70s, by Herbert G. Parkhouse who was the Deputy Guardian for Finance in the Guardian Office World Wide, and this was not only prior to the scientology corporation being granted tax exemption in Australia in 1983, but it was probably before the Whitlam Labor government recognized the Church of the New Faith, as the scientology corporation was then known in Australia, as a religious organization and could provide a marriage service in 1973.

It should also be noted that Church of Scientology Religious Education College Incorporated was never registered as a charity nor did it apply for such.

Not only is this tax evasion, but also it is money laundering.

Having a clear picture of what happens to money collected in the UK would be useful. The bank accounts and where the money gets transferred to. I guess the unaudited financial statements are a fabrication. They still show an income of 12 million a year which does not make sense. What do you think?

Were you one of the banking officers? If so then I would like a brief description of the set-up and how money gets transferred and how the unaudited financial statements get written and I would like to include that in my document somehow. Or was anyone else here a banking officer at St Hill who could write this up? If it is suitable I could include it in section 4.8 of my document.

 

[mate]

Hi Roland, just to clarify a point, all the accounts were with the National Westminster Bank and I believe were originally set up at the East Grinstead branch and were there some three years ago and probably still there. The movement of funds was simply between accounts. I do not know how the bulk of the income was remitted to the US, but almost certainly was another account in the National Westminster Bank, probably now called Sea Org Reserves or SOR.

David.

 

[RolandRB]

Hi Roland, just to clarify a point, all the accounts were with the National Westminster Bank and I believe were originally set up at the East Grinstead branch and were there some three years ago and probably still there. The movement of funds was simply between accounts. I do not know how the bulk of the income was remitted to the US, but almost certainly was another account in the National Westminster Bank, probably now called Sea Org Reserves or SOR.

David.

May I wrote freely from your last two posts in this thread? I might want to put it in my document (I am not sure yet).

Edit: I tried it out and the quote from the FBO is sufficient so I'll use that.

 

[mate]

Hi Roland, you are most welcome to use it and anything else on that thread.

Regards, David

May I wrote freely from your last two posts in this thread? I might want to put it in my document (I am not sure yet).

Edit: I tried it out and the quote from the FBO is sufficient so I'll use that.

 

[scooter]

While it is not yet a wrap in Australia, the momentum is there and unless there is some unforeseen development, the CofS as we know it, will be dismantled in Australia and New Zealand. Now, as you know, there are some flow-on effects to the CofS in the UK. I am, of course, referring to the multi-million pound money laundering being achieved through COSRECI. While fraud is involved, it actually goes deeper, in that not only is the CofS income tax-exempt through fraud, but 80 to 90% of their income flows out to the US and then to Antigua in Merril Lynch numbered accounts. The money is not used for charitable purposes.

In addition to which, the UK has what might be called, a fragile House of Commons. Before the recent election in Australia, the opposition effectively controlled the Senate, which certainly increased the power of the independents. The UK has a minority government since your recent election. I do appreciate that the House of Lords is not like the Australian Senate but I’m sure you have a Xenophon or two in the Commons as well as some influential Lords. If you’re not sure, have a chat with leading journalists in your key media, such as BBC’s Sweeny when you have some red-hot exposes, such as coerced family disconnection, coerced abortions, coerced perjury, covered up pedophilia and incest, physical abuse.

Because of this, the scientology operation in the UK should be our next target. So I am going to make some suggestions for what they are worth, on how former scientologists in the UK might approach this.

What happened in Australia was not planned. It started as a loose network of former associates who were posting on ESMB. This group included two key Opinion Leaders and from this, gained traction. Then threads were started on ESMB, which covered human rights abuses, which covered mainly Australian CofS activities. Carmel decided to contact the press, all newspapers, TV and so on. With one major newspaper, she struck gold. The journalist had been dealing with Senator Xenophon. And you, of course, know the rest of the story.

The first step is to connect up. If we can do it, you can do it, and now is the time.

Regards, David.

This is pretty much how it all happened here and I'm sure it can be done elsewhere as well.

There are politicians in the UK who know what's been happening here in Oz and will work on busting the cult if they are helped, particularly by ex-scilons.

I'm sure this could also apply to any other country infested by OSAspawn.

What Mate has said is what worked here and is having spectacular results in "Clearing" Oz.

There's plenty of Aussies here on the Board if you need any advice or help-from-afar.

 

[Freeminds]

<snip> The Coalition to survive, is dependent upon the minor party, the Liberal Democrats, agreeing. While a long-term coalition can survive, a new coalition is much less likely and there is indeed, a major gap between the policies of the two parties. Yes, you do have a minority government.

<snip>

Would that be those same Liberal Democrats who threw the Scn front group 'Citizens Commission for Human Rights' out of the exhibitors hall at their last annual conference, about 48 hours before the event started?

UK politicians are not as uninformed as we might fear.