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Basic reason I'm here: to compare Thelema and Scientology. I'm pretty darn sure Thelema isn't a dangerous cult, but I still think there could be commonalities.
1) First off, as I understand it, OT3 is the big secret of Scientology, and when you achieve that level, you can't blab about it. Is that true of other levels, as well? Are there certain things that, for example, clears are not allowed to talk about with preclears?
2) I am aware that there are levels in Scientology, but I can't seem to find, like, a PDF or whatever, outlining each one and what is to be achieved in it. How many are there?
3) I have researched the idea of being clear some. As I understand it, it is the death of the reactive mind. This leads me to ask: what else is there? Clearly if you can lose your reactive mind, there must be something better that steps in and takes control. I heard the term "analytical mind" once or twice. Is that it? Is the force that (in theory) should exist in and control all clear Scientologists in any way considered divine? In any way at all. Does it have godlike powers, by any chance? Also, is it seen as somewhat external? Could someone say they were "listening" to their "analytical mind" or whatever it is, or talking with it?
4) Maybe that's not it. I hear the term thetan a lot, as a Scientology equivalent of soul. Would it be accurate to say a person IS their thetan, but they don't realize it without auditing? Is the thetan what is left when the reactive mind is gone? Is the thetan by any chance divine?
5) I have researched the OT levels, but most places really only describe OT3. Other places describe the OT levels as, really, an unpleasant experience. Hubbard calls it the "Wall of Fire," right? Which implies that it is a barrier to be crossed. What do the OT levels do to the ego or identity (in theory)? Do they by any chance destroy it? As I understand it, the goal of the OT3 and higher is to audit out body thetans, thus the big secret being that we're all composed of many beings. It seems to me that this belief would do... something to the ego.
6)Does Scientology have a concept of destiny? I don't mean determinism. I mean, do Scientologists believe that everyone has a certain way that they should live their lives in order to be in accord with the universe, and that this is unique to every person?
7) Do Scientologists have any beliefs concerning the basic rights of humans?
8) Scientologists believe that clears can leave their bodies, right? And go anywhere in the physical universe... is it only the physical universe, or is there another dimension to it? What other things can clears supposedly do?
And whoa, the dynamics. Really surprised he went with eight instead of four, lol. Guess he wanted to be unique. Of course, it could be that I'm just forcing things to fit when they really don't.
1) First off, as I understand it, OT3 is the big secret of Scientology, and when you achieve that level, you can't blab about it. Is that true of other levels, as well? Are there certain things that, for example, clears are not allowed to talk about with preclears?
2) I am aware that there are levels in Scientology, but I can't seem to find, like, a PDF or whatever, outlining each one and what is to be achieved in it. How many are there?
3) I have researched the idea of being clear some. As I understand it, it is the death of the reactive mind. This leads me to ask: what else is there? Clearly if you can lose your reactive mind, there must be something better that steps in and takes control. I heard the term "analytical mind" once or twice. Is that it? Is the force that (in theory) should exist in and control all clear Scientologists in any way considered divine? In any way at all. Does it have godlike powers, by any chance? Also, is it seen as somewhat external? Could someone say they were "listening" to their "analytical mind" or whatever it is, or talking with it?
4) Maybe that's not it. I hear the term thetan a lot, as a Scientology equivalent of soul. Would it be accurate to say a person IS their thetan, but they don't realize it without auditing? Is the thetan what is left when the reactive mind is gone? Is the thetan by any chance divine?
5) I have researched the OT levels, but most places really only describe OT3. Other places describe the OT levels as, really, an unpleasant experience. Hubbard calls it the "Wall of Fire," right? Which implies that it is a barrier to be crossed. What do the OT levels do to the ego or identity (in theory)? Do they by any chance destroy it? As I understand it, the goal of the OT3 and higher is to audit out body thetans, thus the big secret being that we're all composed of many beings. It seems to me that this belief would do... something to the ego.
6)Does Scientology have a concept of destiny? I don't mean determinism. I mean, do Scientologists believe that everyone has a certain way that they should live their lives in order to be in accord with the universe, and that this is unique to every person?
7) Do Scientologists have any beliefs concerning the basic rights of humans?
8) Scientologists believe that clears can leave their bodies, right? And go anywhere in the physical universe... is it only the physical universe, or is there another dimension to it? What other things can clears supposedly do?
And whoa, the dynamics. Really surprised he went with eight instead of four, lol. Guess he wanted to be unique. Of course, it could be that I'm just forcing things to fit when they really don't.
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