Let's retake our church

[Pascal]

I never stated that deaths from scientology were the norm. That is your strawman. Your second statement is clearly a personal attack.

Nice backpedaling with Lisa...

Psychology and Psychiatry have way higher numbers in suicides and crime yet they are the "authorities" and receive billions of taxpayer dollars all around the world.

Yet you pick on a poor lost Church run by a moronic dwarf barely able to apply the scriptures to a mediocre end.

 

[dexter gelfand]

OK,...

That's really not what I asked, to paraphrase, "Do you consider that the survival and well being of yourself, others, and Mankind, depend on Scientology?"

Do I think that everything will explode and disintigrate without Scientology? Nope. We've all muddled along since the beginning of our existence as a race.

I think Scientology, properly applied can create big and wonderful effects, and make life better, and that it is not any kind of trap or trick, although certain warped people aren't above promoting and corrupting the subject for their own purposes.

I also believe that there are people who would be upset to hear reports that anybody has done or is doing well through Scientology, and would feel a need to say anything that might act to prevent such success from being believed or accepted, or experienced by others.

Love, Dex

 

[Dulloldfart]

You know how many people die in hospitals every day? Does that mean medicine kills?

Logically no, but here's a relevant article re one published in July 2000 in the Journal of the American Medical Association on doctors being the third leading cause of death in the US:

http://www.healingdaily.com/Doctors-Are-The-Third-Leading-Cause-of-Death-in-the-US.htm

Paul

 

[Smitty]

reply to Pascal

Nice backpedaling with Lisa...

No backpedaling on my part. I do note that YOU backpedalled on your personal attack on me.

Psychology and Psychiatry have way higher numbers in suicides and crime yet they are the "authorities" and receive billions of taxpayer dollars all around the world.

Please cite the statistics per capita for suicides and crime in psychology, psychiatry, and scientology. Let's do the comparison.

Yet you pick on a poor lost Church run by a moronic dwarf barely able to apply the scriptures to a mediocre end.

It is neither a church, poor or lost.

 

[Smitty]

comment to dexter gelfand

I also believe that there are people who would be upset to hear reports that anybody has done or is doing well through Scientology, and would feel a need to say anything that might act to prevent such success from being believed or accepted, or experienced by others.
Love, Dex

Exactly who are those people?

 

[uniquemand]

They are SPs, Smitty! Probably psych-products. EEEVIL!

 

[Terril park]

At first it can, then it slowly places the person at effect.

In the Freezone also?

 

[Smitty]

comment to uniquemand

They are SPs, Smitty! Probably psych-products. EEEVIL!

I want to see if Dexter Gelfand has any fact and substance behind his statement. I am asking him to "Show me the SPs!"

 

[Smitty]

comment to Terril Park

In the Freezone also?

In the Freezone also.

 

[dexter gelfand]

Not quite

They are SPs, Smitty! Probably psych-products. EEEVIL!

I don't throw that "SP" phrase around much at all. The CoS has so over-used it that all its come to mean is, somebody is not genuflecting on demand. A person doesn't have to be an "SP" to have a bad attitude, or to in general be non-productive or counter-productive, or be bad news to have around.

But its nothing to be proud of either, Unique.

Love, Dex

 

[Veda]

In the Freezone also?

Yes. The Scientology Freezone is Scientology-lite, including, as the person descends further into the subject, mind f__k-lite.

 

[Smitty]

comment to dexter gelfand

I don't throw that "SP" phrase around much at all. The CoS has so over-used it that all its come to mean is, somebody is not genuflecting on demand. A person doesn't have to be an "SP" to have a bad attitude, or to in general be non-productive or counter-productive, or be bad news to have around.
But its nothing to be proud of either, Unique.
Love, Dex

It is a fiction. If you dispute that, then show me ONE person who has most of the 12 SP characteristics that Hubbard claimed, most of the time.
If you cannot do that, then let us forever end the discussion of boogeymen that do not exist.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Psychology and Psychiatry have way higher numbers in suicides and crime yet they are the "authorities" and receive billions of taxpayer dollars all around the world.

Not an apt analogy, Pascal. Since those predisposed to suicide are often referred for psychiatric assistance when identified as such their "stats" would be expected to reflect an "unusually high" rate of suicides. Similarly for those with mental problems which predispose to some form of criminal behavior.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Mark A. Baker]

It is a fiction. If you dispute that, then show me ONE person who has most of the 12 SP characteristics that Hubbard claimed, most of the time.
If you cannot do that, then let us forever end the discussion of boogeymen that do not exist.

Dick Cheney?


Mark A. Baker

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

As I said in chat...anyone that believes Scientology can make this planet much better is absolutely delusional.

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

Not an apt analogy, Pascal. Since those predisposed to suicide are often referred for psychiatric assistance when identified as such their "stats" would be expected to reflect an "unusually high" rate of suicides. Similarly for those with mental problems which predispose to some form of criminal behavior.


Mark A. Baker

Let's see what would happen to the death rate if all those people were handed over to Scientology.

 

[Smitty]

comment to Mark A. Baker

Dick Cheney?
Mark A. Baker

Does he have a majority of Hubbard's 12 anti-social characteristics most of the time? Has that been documented?

 

[Iknowtoomuch]

Does he have a majority of Hubbard's 12 anti-social characteristics most of the time? Has that been documented?

He was joking Smitty.

 

[Smitty]

He was joking Smitty.

I saw the jest, but my point is this: Not one scientologist has ever been able to document one person who has a majority of Hubbard's 12 SP characteristics most of the time. It is a fiction used to demonize those who disagree with or object to any part of scientology.

 

[Pascal]

As I said in chat...anyone that believes Scientology can make this planet much better is absolutely delusional.

Anything could make this planet better. We've reached bottom centuries ago.