Let's retake our church

[Pascal]

Sex Check

I see no problem with sec checks. It's what happens after..

Although I did have a newbie give me a sec check and I got red tagged. There was serious out-tech involved and I almost thrashed that intern.

In any case CoS is desperate in most of their actions. Like the NRA says...

Scientology doesn't harm people.

People harm people.

 

[dexter gelfand]

Yup.

And, that's the tautology.
Every time the 'Tech' is *not* just fine, it's, per doctrine, due to incorrect and unappropriate application.

That's how you can tell when it's incorrect and unappropriate; it's not 'just fine'.

Ipso dictum.

Scientology Works! Except when it doesn't, and, then, you did it wrong!

Poifect

Zinj

That's true Zinj, that is the doctrine. BUT it is also my personal experience, as an auditor.

Love, Dex

 

[Smitty]

comment to Pascal

I see no problem with sec checks. It's what happens after..

After an authority in organized scientology determines that 'you need a sec check'.

In any case CoS is desperate in most of their actions. Like the NRA says...
Scientology doesn't harm people.
People harm people.

No, a slogan of the NRA is "Guns do not kill people, people kill people."
And it is documented fact that scientology has contributed to the deaths of many people. Google 'Lisa McPherson'. Google 'Quentin Hubbard'.

 

[Veda]

Scientology has been a mental-healing-coated devious & abusive personality-cult since the 1960s. No amount of spin will change that.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_w-YWwC1lI

 

[Pascal]

After an authority in organized scientology determines that 'you need a sec check'.

No, a slogan of the NRA is "Guns do not kill people, people kill people."
And it is documented fact that scientology has contributed to the deaths of many people. Google 'Lisa McPherson'. Google 'Quentin Hubbard'.

Someone committed out-tech on her. You can only blame people. People are cause and responsible.

The thing with Lisa is that she's the only one. If the Ls were evil you'd have dead people all the time. Duh.

You know how many people die in hospitals every day? Does that mean medicine kills?

Your arguments are sophomoric.

 

[dexter gelfand]

Good question

Do you agree with 'KSW' that "the whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman, and Child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years depends on... Scientology?"

Hi Veda,

I don't feel the need to defend every statement Ron Hubbard ever made. In fact he has said and done things I disagree with (whattaya know, kinda like every other person who ever was!).

I don't believe that the fate of the universe specifically hangs by the thread of my (or your) every next decision or action. But I believe every decision and action makes a difference one way or another, that there are better and worse decisions and actions. I have found for myself that Scientology tech, correctly applied, is a very good thing, and that alterations and omissions, to a greater or lesser degree, compromise those results.

Love, Dex

 

[Pascal]

Man needs religion

Scientology has been a mental-healing-coated devious & abusive personality-cult since the 1960s. No amount of spin will change that.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_w-YWwC1lI

If a guy nailed on a stick after getting his ass kicked can claim to be the son of the supreme being and have his philosophy adopted by most of this planet then Scientology will rule soon enough.

Sorry, this is MEST, not your home universe.

I feel your pain though.

 

[Smitty]

reply to Pascal

Someone committed out-tech on her. You can only blame people. People are cause and responsible.

Exactly what was the 'out-tech' and who did it?

The thing with Lisa is that she's the only one. If the Ls were evil you'd have dead people all the time. Duh.

Is she the only person who died as a result of scientology? "If the Ls were evil..." is your strawman. I said no such thing.

You know how many people die in hospitals every day? Does that mean medicine kills?

Sometimes it does. That is documented fact.

Your arguments are sophomoric.

My arguments are based on facts. Your statement is your opinion.

 

[Smitty]

comment to Pascal

If a guy nailed on a stick after getting his ass kicked can claim to be the son of the supreme being and have his philosophy adopted by most of this planet then Scientology will rule soon enough.

Where is the evidence that there was such a person? Explain how the spread of Christianity implies that scientology (which is not a religion) "will rule soon enough".

Sorry, this is MEST, not your home universe.
I feel your pain though.

Those statements are non-sequitur.

 

[Pascal]

Exactly what was the 'out-tech' and who did it?
Is she the only person who died as a result of scientology? "If the Ls were evil..." is your strawman. I said no such thing.
Sometimes it does. That is documented fact.
My arguments are based on facts. Your statement is your opinion.

Your facts are odd events, not the norm. Hence a generalization, Sheesh...

 

[Veda]

Hi Veda,

I don't feel the need to defend every statement Ron Hubbard ever made. In fact he has said and done things I disagree with (whattaya know, kinda like every other person who ever was!).

I don't believe that the fate of the universe specifically hangs by the thread of my (or your) every next decision or action. But I believe every decision and action makes a difference one way or another, that there are better and worse decisions and actions. I have found for myself that Scientology tech, correctly applied, is a very good thing, and that alterations and omissions, to a greater or lesser degree, compromise those results.

Love, Dex

That's really not what I asked, to paraphrase, "Do you consider that the survival and well being of yourself, others, and Mankind, depend on Scientology?"

 

[Pascal]

Where is the evidence that there was such a person? Explain how the spread of Christianity implies that scientology (which is not a religion) "will rule soon enough".

Those statements are non-sequitur.

Anything is possible with religion. Scientology just needs it's Constantine, Justinian, Aquinus, etc... They will come. Religions go through the same cycle. Right now Scientology is with Mohammad in Medina... Soon they will take Mecca.

My statements are sequitur to someone knowledgeable in Scientology, which you are most certainly not.

 

[Terril park]

That's really not what I asked, to paraphrase, "Do you consider that the survival and well being of yourself, others, and Mankind, depend on Scientology?"

Scientology enhances livingness.

You agree Veda?

 

[Smitty]

reply to Pascal

Anything is possible with religion. Scientology just needs it's Constantine, Justinian, Aquinus, etc... They will come. Religions go through the same cycle. Right now Scientology is with Mohammad in Medina... Soon they will take Mecca.

Except that scientology is not a religion.

My statements are sequitur to someone knowledgeable in Scientology, which you are most certainly not.

On the contrary, I most definitely am knowledgeable in scientology.

 

[Smitty]

comment to Terril Park

Scientology enhances livingness.

I think that depends on the person and circumstances. In my experience, it degrades 'livingness'.

 

[Smitty]

reply to Pascal

Your facts are odd events, not the norm. Hence a generalization, at least try not to act like an SP, learn to hide your nature. Sheesh...

I never stated that deaths from scientology were the norm. That is your strawman. Your second statement is clearly a personal attack.

 

[Veda]

Scientology enhances livingness.

You agree Veda?

At first it can, then it slowly places the person at effect.

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=177122&postcount=41

And the question has still not been answered.

http://forum.exscn.net/showpost.php?p=196236&postcount=171

 

[uniquemand]

Steer Clear!

 

[Pascal]

Except that scientology is not a religion.
On the contrary, I most definitely am knowledgeable in scientology.

Romans and Jews said the same about Christianity.

I believe it's a religion and so do many experts and governments. It's an atheistic religion like Buddhism.

 

[Smitty]

reply to Pascal

Romans and Jews said the same about Christianity.

Which Romans and Jews said the same about Christianity? Citations please.

I believe it's a religion and so do many experts and governments. It's an atheistic religion like Buddhism.

Which experts and governments affirm that scientology is a religion? BTW, Buddhism is NOT an atheistic religion.