Libel-Proof Entity - Mike Rinder

TheOriginalBigBlue

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At 17:25 in this interview Mike Rinder mentions that the Church of Scientology is now probably a “Libel-Proof Entity”. This is in reference to the “Libel-Proof Plaintiff Doctrine” whereby a defendant loses grounds for libel once their general reputation reaches a certain low point in public opinion.

This was mentioned in the Harvard Law Review in 1985 but I expect the concept is much older:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/1341070?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

I wonder if LRH had been advised early on that it was important to not let ANY negative views of him or Scientology go unsuppressed because he had a closing window before the cumulative negative PR would constitute the basis for evoking the Libel-Proof Plaintiff Doctrine after which he and the church would themselves become Fair Game?

Also of interest, at 43:35 Mike talks about the potential impact of Going Clear’s Academy Award’s nomination. Members of the Academy are real people with real personal opinions. I have to wonder how Scientology’s decades old attempts at proselytizing members of the performing arts industry and accumulating Hollywood real estate might be reflected in the Academy’s vote?

http://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/sc...an-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/#more-27722

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCO_7gQeN5Q
 

Karen#1

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At 17:25 in this interview Mike Rinder mentions that the Church of Scientology is now probably a “Libel-Proof Entity”. This is in reference to the “Libel-Proof Plaintiff Doctrine” whereby a defendant loses grounds for libel once their general reputation reaches a certain low point in public opinion.

This was mentioned in the Harvard Law Review in 1985 but I expect the concept is much older:

http://www.jstor.org/stable/1341070?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

I wonder if LRH had been advised early on that it was important to not let ANY negative views of him or Scientology go unsuppressed because he had a closing window before the cumulative negative PR would constitute the basis for evoking the Libel-Proof Plaintiff Doctrine after which he and the church would themselves become Fair Game?

Also of interest, at 43:35 Mike talks about the potential impact of Going Clear’s Academy Award’s nomination. Members of the Academy are real people with real personal opinions. I have to wonder how Scientology’s decades old attempts at proselytizing members of the performing arts industry and accumulating Hollywood real estate might be reflected in the Academy’s vote?

http://tonyortega.org/2016/01/03/sc...an-mike-rinder-predicts-more-pain/#more-27722

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCO_7gQeN5Q


Thank you.
Mike Rinder explains that the Cult claiming "libellous" would be similar to ISIS trying to file a law suit saying their group had been *disparaged* by media.

When the reputation stinks with an odor that doesn't dissolve, it is *Orders of Magnitude" on how much lower the reputation can go. Orders of magnitude...LOL Laugh with me :duh::duh::duh:
 

Northern Shewolf

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I can tell you that there is good grounds for many producers and co-producers of both film & TV serials to vote "Going Clear" a winner; this, as I have had an interesting conversation with a Hollywood savy personality at a recent important social event....was told that A. Gibney is such a stellar documentarian ("count his Oscars"..) that what he has done is openned-up a real can of worms. This Monsieur who saw "Going Clear" seemed convinced that TC and JT's careers in greater Hollywood were pretty much in the toilet, his words not mine.
Shewolf:yes:
 

DeeAnna

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Oscar nominations voting closes tomorrow, Friday, Janurary 8, 2016 at 5:00PM Pacific Time. Then, announcement of nominations on January 14, 2016.

Five of these will be nominated:

The Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences has announced that 15 films in the Documentary Feature category will advance in the voting process for the 88th Academy Awards. One hundred twenty-four films were originally submitted in the category.

The 15 films are listed below in alphabetical order by title, with their production companies:
“Amy,” On the Corner Films and Universal Music
“Best of Enemies,” Sandbar
“Cartel Land,” Our Time Projects and The Documentary Group
“Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief,” Jigsaw Productions
“He Named Me Malala,” Parkes-MacDonald and Little Room
“Heart of a Dog,” Canal Street Communications
“The Hunting Ground,” Chain Camera Pictures
“Listen to Me Marlon,” Passion Pictures
“The Look of Silence,” Final Cut for Real
“Meru,” Little Monster Films
“3 1/2 Minutes, 10 Bullets,” The Filmmaker Fund, Motto Pictures, Lakehouse Films, Actual Films, JustFilms, MacArthur Foundation and Bertha BRITDOC
“We Come as Friends,” Adelante Films
“What Happened, Miss Simone?,” RadicalMedia and Moxie Firecracker
“Where to Invade Next,” Dog Eat Dog Productions
“Winter on Fire: Ukraine’s Fight for Freedom,” Pray for Ukraine Productions

The Academy’s Documentary Branch determined the shortlist in a preliminary round of voting. Documentary Branch members will now select the five nominees from among the 15 titles.

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I have only seen two of them. "Best of Friends" - which was about the appearances of William F. Buckley Jr. (Conservative) and Gore Vidal (Liberal) as network political commentators at the time of the 1968 conventions (Available on Netflix) - and "Going Clear". And yes, they show the footage where Buckley called Vidal "a queer" on camera. (I happened to be watching it at the time.) Not a good moment for Buckley. "Best of Friends" is basically a re-hash of Buckley and Vidal insulting each other. There was nothing new in it at all.


"Going Clear" is obviously the more original and timely work.
 
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TheOriginalBigBlue

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Exactly how much of an idiot IS David Miscavige? :biggrin:

He was second generation, little formal education, indoctrinated at an early age, posted directly under LRH’s tutelage and transitioned quickly into a position of authority where his unique personality traits could manifest to a virtually unlimited extent.

Maybe he benefited from everything that LRH had done before but he also inherited his nightmare. Without the master’s gift for creating a marketable “Religion” he could focus on something understandable and tangible like real estate. The Old Man liked to call this kind of thing a Hobby Horse.

Maybe there was a brief moment where the direction could have been turned around - bury the really weird stuff, provide good service at a reasonable rate, treat people with respect, blah, blah. But his destiny was to reveal for the world the true nature of Scientology. If we could go back in time and put someone else in his place at a critical juncture, I’m not sure I would do it.

Would I really want the Church to be headed by someone who could comfortably provide sworn testimony in court or make credible appearances on national TV and swell the ranks of true believers?

MODERN MANAGEMENT TECHNOLOGY DEFINED, by LRH
NORMAL OPERATION FORMULA, 1) the way you maintain an increase is when you are in a state of normal operation you don’t change anything.

Escorting Scientology into a permanent decline requires a very special skill set. We need someone who is too smart for their own good, not an idiot.
 
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