Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton

[Pepin]

I have a simular story....

between lives as I watched and felt my body from far above this earth, I changed my mind after about five months or so and chose a different body.

I found someone worthy to take over my first choice and I let him have it.

Somewhere there is a tall skinny guy with dark hair and freckles named Scot born to a nice middle class and happy family near Denver sometime in March. His dad is/was a big guy and a foreman at an auto plant . He has one sister. I remembered about this event not in session but nap time in Kindergarden.

I'll tell you a little story here. Just for interest sake.

When I was born my mother befriended another lady in the nursing home who was having a baby too. They remained friends afterwards and visited from time to time, though not much.

When I first saw the boy who was born to the friend I had an instant dislike to him, plus a fear of him. On a later occasion we were in the car when my mom decided to pop in to see them; I refused point blank to get out of the car. I would not budge. The boy's sisters came out to try and persuade me and I was happy talking to them but no ways was I getting out of the car.

Later when he and I went to the same school in the same age level (though different classes) he was for all those five years completely invisible to me. I can recall only once ever actually seeing the guy at school, even though I knew he was there and I knew what he looked like, etc. I had a huge shut-down on perception of him. Then later I heard that they'd moved to another town.

Anyway, fast forward now years later to Scio and there I was having the Int /Ext Rundown. On it I run much of the period prior to picking up this body I have now. I run my immediate past death, I run waiting for a "opportune time" to get another body, I move to the town I wanted to live in (a university town where I hoped to get a better education than I had before) and I locate a suitable mom who is due to give birth to a boy. I find her - yep, my mom's friend. I wanted that body and I moved towards it when Whammo I'm in a fight and this guy somehow hurls me away - he wants that body. I feel humiilated and weak and I go looking for another body and find this one that I was born with.

So? Well it sure clarified a lot of puzzling behaviour of mine and a lot of unwanted attitudes and emotions that had been in constant restim throughout my childhood blew. Made sense of all the not-ising I was doing in junior school. And I had a HUGE amount of case-gain from the rundown in terms of being more willing to go into areas and places, and other things too.

There was some curious "tuning in"to implant type stuff between the lives though nothing dramatic - no visits to Mars or outer space or anything. I think those things all run on automatic and we give ourselves the boosters we reckon we need in order to remain obedient humans "learning lessons" here on earth so as to "become more worthy" of entering a "higher state of beingness". All of which is a game I take a rather jauniced view of. I think we would all be much better off if those spirit-guide fellas wouldgo and find something better to do in the universe, and just leave us humans to sort things out for ourselves.

 

[Zinjifar]

If I had to try to fit it into words, I think what I'd say is that 'consciousness' is a universal. Any part or combination or the total of existence (whatever that is) is 'conscious' but, our *Self* consciousness, including our 'linear' comprehension of time/space is a direct result of the evolution of language. It's a deliberately *limited* framework, which allows for all kinds of fun and games and interesting developments.

Much like I'd see 'matter' as a kind of standing wave that exists only as a pattern, our 'self' is a kind of standing wave in the universal consciousness.

When we, through any number of practices, drop our 'language', we also lose our 'self', at least temporarily.

The whole superior 'native state' thang though is an outgrowth of the 'Fall' myth, with the implication that we are deliberately crippled compared to what we 'used' to be.

Zinj

 

[finishedman]

If I had to try to fit it into words, I think what I'd say is that 'consciousness' is a universal. Any part or combination or the total of existence (whatever that is) is 'conscious' but, our *Self* consciousness, including our 'linear' comprehension of time/space is a direct result of the evolution of language. It's a deliberately *limited* framework, which allows for all kinds of fun and games and interesting developments.

Much like I'd see 'matter' as a kind of standing wave that exists only as a pattern, our 'self' is a kind of standing wave in the universal consciousness.

When we, through any number of practices, drop our 'language', we also lose our 'self', at least temporarily.

The whole superior 'native state' thang though is an outgrowth of the 'Fall' myth, with the implication that we are deliberately crippled compared to what we 'used' to be.

Zinj

If somebody asks you the question, "what is thought?" any answer you have is the answer that is put in there -- the answers that others have already given. You have, through combinations and permutations of ideation and mentation about thoughts, created your own thoughts which you call your own. Just as when you mix different colors, you can create thousands of pastel colors, but basically all of them can be reduced to only seven colors that you find in nature. What you think is yours is the combination and permutation of all those thoughts, just the way you have created hundreds and hundreds of pastel colors. You have created your own ideas. That is what you call thinking. What you think are your thoughts are actually just combinations and permutations of the thoughts of others.

You cannot conceive of the possibility of understanding anything except in time. Everything takes time. It has taken so many years for you to be where you are today and you are still striving and struggling to reach a higher plateau, higher and higher. That instrument which you are using cannot conceive of the possibility of understanding anything without effort, without striving, without producing results.

How can you bring about a change in consciousness, which has no limits, which has no boundaries, which has no frontiers? You can do every kind of research to find the seat of human consciousness, but there is no such thing as the seat of human consciousness at all. You can try but the chances of succeeding in that are slim. There is no such thing as a seat located in any particular individual. What there is, is thought. Whenever a thought takes its birth there, you have created an entity or a point, and in reference to that point you are experiencing things. Every time a thought is born you are born. Thought, in its very nature, is short-lived. What is there between thoughts cannot be described in clever optimistic terms and romantic stuff because you have no way of experiencing that state.
The world you experience around you is also from that point of view. There must be a point and it is this that creates the space. If this point is not there, there is no space, so anything you experience from this point is an illusion. Not that the world is an illusion—the world is not an illusion—but anything you experience in relationship to this point, which itself is illusory, is bound to be an illusion.

 

[Dulloldfart]

But, what I want to know is, what is it all for? Where do we go after we have learnt all our lessons? Why are we here playing these types of games in the first place? In one of the videos, Newton mentions, returning to our "perfect state" - I think is what he termed it. Why do we need to be unperfect in the first place? Who decided that? What values and abilities and charcateristics are we striving to achieve before we can leave, if that is what we are meant to do?

I will answer your questions Scooter as best I can using my understanding of Newton's research data. None of this is from my own personal experience, "recall" (ho ho) or logical reasoning. If I put any of my own conjecture here I will note it as such.

The creation of new souls is an ongoing activity. It didn't happen once or solely a long time ago. Why new souls are created is unknown, as are similar questions like why are we imperfect in the first place and why do we exist (in the spirit world), although why we play these games on Earth or on other playing fields is well answered.

Newton classifies souls by level. There is a sort of grade chart. . Progress is indicated by changing color of energy emanation over thousands of years, which is objective and visible to others. Specifically, in general terms:

Level I White
Level II Off-white
Level III Yellow
Level IV Dark yellow (junior guide)
Level V Light blue (senior guide)
Level VI Dark bluish-purple (master guide)

Not all advanced souls are guides. Many wear other hats, which I won't detail here, although Newton does in his books. Everyone in the spirit world is playing the game of moving self and others up the levels. . No joke. Newton doesn't use the same words, but the similarity to the idea of "getting up the bridge" is remarkable, although repetitive processes aren't obviously in use beyond the slow one of "OK, that life was screwed up in terms of the lesson(s) I was suppposed to learn so let's try again in the next incarnation and see if I can get this bit right this time." [My wording]

The newly created soul starts off in a mental world, called in the book Journey of Souls "The World Without Ego," where the soul learns who he is. At the other end of the spectrum is "The World of All-Knowing", containing the souls of the masters who no longer need to incarnate. Little is known about this final world even by the advanced souls among Newton's clients, what is known being the occasional tantalizing glimpse only. These two ends may be similar to Hubbard's idea of "Native state", the second one being the "Native state but with experience."

What values and abilities and characteristics are included in the various levels? You didn't ask that exact question, Scoots, but it would be a great one to have answers to. I'm not sure how detailed an answer Newton gives. There isn't a neat little chart in his books laying it all out clearly. In general terms, it is what you might imagine, in terms of self-discovery and cultivating virtues, helping others and so forth. One would be evaluated by his conduct and values.

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If you look at life on Earth in this light, devoting a decade or three to the dream of "Clearing the planet" isn't so awful after all. It is true that the CofS is awful, and a CofS Clear Planet would be intolerable, but the ideals that drove us were and are spot-on. Spot-on.

Paul

 

[mate]

I have now read both of Newton’s original books, “Journey of Souls” and “Destiny of Souls”, and I would like to make some observations about them.

His “Journey of Souls” is truly remarkable and I recommend that all should read it, particularly those who have experienced major physical or emotional trauma in their life. It does not matter whether you accept the concept of past lives or not, this summary of his research, is a must-read for all. (This book is heavily discounted at Amazon.)

His second book, “Destiny of Souls” is more a textbook covering key aspects of the Journey, in greater detail. I must admit I do not agree with some of his conclusions. Now, rather than take these out of context, I will instead, cover what I believe to be, the shortcomings in his approach.

First, an observation, there are two levels of knowledge, intellectual knowledge and experiential knowledge. For example, if you saw a customer in a restaurant at a table next to yours and observing him eating a dish you hadn’t seen before and asked what it was, and what it tasted like, you would gain intellectual knowledge of it. It wouldn’t be until you had purchased the same dish and ate it, would you have experiential knowledge of it. In other words, reading books and listening to lectures, are a source of intellectual knowledge.

As the vast majority if not all of Newton’s 7000+ clients were English-speaking Americans, this would be a biased sample, in my opinion. Newton notes in his Destiny, that he did visit India and Tibet, but it appears he did not have any clients while there. It should also be noted that there are four Buddhist sects in Tibet and none of which, teach pure Buddhism, as was taught by Siddhartha Gotama. Each sect includes rites, rituals, doctrine and dogma, and these are not pure Buddhism. Finally, I note that in his various conclusions, he makes no reference to Hinduism or Buddhism.

Why is this important? Newton arrived at the conclusion that it will take tens of thousands of years of spiritual development in what he has uncovered. Yet strictly following the Buddhist or Hindu paths, “self realization” can be achieved within several lifetimes.

I make these observations, because the idea of “tens of thousands of years”, can be rather overwhelming.

Regards, David.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Why is this important? Newton arrived at the conclusion that it will take tens of thousands of years of spiritual development in what he has uncovered. Yet strictly following the Buddhist or Hindu paths, “self realization” can be achieved within several lifetimes.

I make these observations, because the idea of “tens of thousands of years”, can be rather overwhelming.

Yes, that time scale can be a bit much to swallow, and I agree that it would seem to be possible to move more quickly, especially with the various techs available to address and desensitize charged areas — particularly ones lasting more than one lifetime — on the road to becoming, er, purer in one's endeavours.

Paul

 

[FoTi]

I just picked up these two books at the library.

 

[Telepathetic]

If I had to try to fit it into words, I think what I'd say is that 'consciousness' is a universal. Any part or combination or the total of existence (whatever that is) is 'conscious' but, our *Self* consciousness, including our 'linear' comprehension of time/space is a direct result of the evolution of language. It's a deliberately *limited* framework, which allows for all kinds of fun and games and interesting developments.

Much like I'd see 'matter' as a kind of standing wave that exists only as a pattern, our 'self' is a kind of standing wave in the universal consciousness.

When we, through any number of practices, drop our 'language', we also lose our 'self', at least temporarily.

The whole superior 'native state' thang though is an outgrowth of the 'Fall' myth, with the implication that we are deliberately crippled compared to what we 'used' to be.

Zinj

Very interesting view Zinj.

I believed in the "Fall" myth...after reading Monroe and recently Newton, I'm leaning more toward the "placed here" concept.

Could you expand a bit more on what you mean by dropping out "language?"

Reminds me a bit of Castaneda's (Don Juan's) concept of the "tonal" and "nagual." The "tonal" being the physical world and the "nagual" being the unexplainable-the non-physical.

In the "tonal" language is one of the means used for indoctrinating humans to perceive the "real" world.

Quote: “The tonal and the nagual are two different worlds. In one you talk, in the other you act.”

Castaneda — Tales of Power.

TP

 

[Dulloldfart]

I just picked up these two books at the library.

What are your thoughts so far?

Paul

 

[Dulloldfart]

One change these books have made with me is that I have looked over my life and my relationships with people from the viewpoint of Newton's research on soul groups. In a nutshell, he has found that a person will have around him many of the same souls from lifetime to lifetime. For example, the same soul may be in successive incarnations a person's son, daughter, niece; or sister, cousin, sister; or father, grandfather, uncle; or best friend, sister, mother; or brother, husband, son etc. That was five souls, of course. One usually has a primary soulmate, who may or may not be one's current spouse or partner, who typically might have been one's husband, best male friend, wife in successive incarnations. This is in completely different genetic families — a soul doesn't usually inhabit a body in the same family next time, he says, as the general idea is to get different experiences in different conditions each lifetime.

So I have been looking at my family and close friends with new eyes. The souls concerned are not necessarily from my relatively small (5-15) companion soul group, but would tend to be. The upshot has been an increase in my affinity for the people concerned, whether justified or not.

Paul

 

[knn]

Challenge posted about this guy's books a few days back in another thread and since then I've been doing a lot of reading. Wowzer. Far-reaching stuff.

Paul! Fantastic, brilliant stuff! Gotta get some books by him...

Oh yes, no implant stations.

I disagree. The whole scenario looks like an implant station: There is no counter-will, everything is accepted by you... take for example part #4, 5:00. They surely make you to WANT that body, no matter whether it's handicapped or not.

Even the amnesia is "kinda good" and helpful.

 

[Dulloldfart]

I disagree. The whole scenario looks like an implant station: There is no counter-will, everything is accepted by you... take for example part #4, 5:00. They surely make you to WANT that body, no matter whether it's handicapped or not.

Even the amnesia is "kinda good" and helpful.

Read the books. You're likely to get a different viewpoint than that afterwards.

Paul

 

[Carnivale]

This post has too many replies for me to read them all, so please forgive if this is a repeat.

But as a skeptic, my first assumption regarding similarities in stories from so many people is not that they must be true or have something to them....but that they all had the same person speaking to them in a very suggestive state.

And if any of the subjects were familiar with Newton's earlier work, that leads to even more skepticism. They would already know some of what they should experience, and be more likely even on an unconscious level to do so.

From this site http://www.skepdic.com/pastlife.html :

Psychologist Robert Baker demonstrated that belief in reincarnation is the greatest predictor of whether a subject would have a past-life memory while under past life regression hypnotherapy. Furthermore, Baker demonstrated that the subject's expectations significantly affect the past-life regressive session. He divided a group of 60 students into three groups. He told the first group that they were about to experience an exciting new therapy that could help them uncover their past lives. Eighty-five per cent in this group were successful in "remembering" a past life. He told the second group that they were to learn about a therapy which may or may not work to engender past-life memories. In this group, the success rate was 60%. He told the third group that the therapy was crazy and that normal people generally do not experience a past life. Only 10% of this group had a past-life "memory."

So, be skeptical. Accepting something because one WANTS it to be true can lead to bad things....as many here have experienced first hand.

 

[Dulloldfart]

This post has too many replies for me to read them all, so please forgive if this is a repeat.

But as a skeptic, my first assumption regarding similarities in stories from so many people is not that they must be true or have something to them....but that they all had the same person speaking to them in a very suggestive state.

And if any of the subjects were familiar with Newton's earlier work, that leads to even more skepticism. They would already know some of what they should experience, and be more likely even on an unconscious level to do so.

Read some of his work, or my remarks about it in this thread that you didn't read. He was very careful NOT to suggest things to his clients, and initially was very surprised at the things he was told. Not all professionals are as scummy as the CofS.

He did this for well over ten years before his first book came out, and was not widely known for this work at all before that.

Paul

 

[Carnivale]

Read some of his work, or my remarks about it in this thread that you didn't read. He was very careful NOT to suggest things to his clients, and initially was very surprised at the things he was told. Not all professionals are as scummy as the CofS.

He did this for well over ten years before his first book came out, and was not widely known for this work at all before that.

Paul

He may be doing so unconsciously. There are many cases with a similar issue. The first one that comes to mind (as I don;t study this issue) is the case of Clever Hans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clever_Hans

The trainers and the audience were unaware of the cues that Hans saw, and a later researcher also saw.

What Dr. Newton does is not in a scientific setting and he is not being observed by people trained to notice anything Dr. Newton may be doing to achieve the answers he receives. So I must remain skeptical.

I am not under the delusion that I will change minds, but I just wanted to get another viewpoint for the phenomena discussed here.

 

[Dark Phoenix]

These so-called 'Beginner' souls wanting to go to their own funerals, and check out who brings flowers? Sounds hokey.

 

[Truth&Honesty]

Paul, I agree his books are an excellent read. After I got out of the cult, I started reading all sorts of "other practices", and guess what? I found out that scum bag Hubbard had plagiarized most of scientology/dianetics.

The ONLY reason they did not want you to "mix practices" or read other new age books....is that Hubbard was afraid people would realize his plagiarism and the cash cow (COS) would stop. The "OT" levels were his own creation, of course, and look at how the public has derided them! Creative genius, my ass!!!!!

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Leon,

Very insightful post!

You are quite correct. Those that would deceive you, like all con men, have to appear to be friendly and to be acting in your best interests; otherwise they would be rejected out of hand.

Rog

Also, they themselves may be thinking they're helping...

 

[Voltaire's Child]

Paul, I agree his books are an excellent read. After I got out of the cult, I started reading all sorts of "other practices", and guess what? I found out that scum bag Hubbard had plagiarized most of scientology/dianetics.

The ONLY reason they did not want you to "mix practices" or read other new age books....is that Hubbard was afraid people would realize his plagiarism and the cash cow (COS) would stop. The "OT" levels were his own creation, of course, and look at how the public has derided them! Creative genius, my ass!!!!!

I was never told not to read other books, new age or otherwise, when I was in CofS. Never. And mixing practices is something that not just Scn forbids, but also The Self Realization fellowship and others. It obscures results. (and, yes, takes money away from the cult). One can certainly read about things without obscuring any results and that's exactly why there's no prohibition in Dn or Scn about reading other things.

As a confirmed techie myself, I have no reservation about anyone doing other things besides Scn but if it's a practice or a method, I'd want them to wait til they were not getting any auditing. You do remember that one cannot do "hard TRs" and receive auditing, right? For exactly the reason I said. And both are Scn practices.

I got some flak from some Freezoner one time who claimed that I advocated mixing practices. What I'm actually in favor of is people doing other things than Scn but I never advocated doing it all at the same time.

Hubbard did admit to getting a lot of Scn and Dn from other disciplines/ologies. It does appear that he didn't cop to all of it, though- occultism being an example of that, possibly. But anyone who thinks he acted like he didn't get any of Scn from anywhere else must not have paid attention to a number of his tapes and HCOBs.

 

[knn]

Paul, I agree his books are an excellent read. After I got out of the cult, I started reading all sorts of "other practices", and guess what? I found out that scum bag Hubbard had plagiarized most of scientology/dianetics.

Like what? What practice that existed 1952 did he steal? I am interested.
Newton published his books after LRH died. So you cannot mean Newton.