Winston Smith
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Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
I used to have life between girlfriends, but it wasn't very fun.
I used to have life between girlfriends, but it wasn't very fun.
Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
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Mystic
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Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
This ^^^ is The Statement of the Day!
This ^^^ is The Statement of the Day!
guanoloco
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Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
I think what would be even more evident is students applying his method through the years and finding the scam. To my knowledge that hasn't happened. I wonder if a sincere inquiry were made if credentials and materials would be presented then?
Just thinking out loud here...
I think what would be even more evident is students applying his method through the years and finding the scam. To my knowledge that hasn't happened. I wonder if a sincere inquiry were made if credentials and materials would be presented then?
Just thinking out loud here...
MattD
Patron with Honors
Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
It all "used to" be alive. Which is a concept that will spin most when confronted.
Why? Because that is the direction we are all going.
The Scale;
a game
ego/identity
conflict/attachment
grouping/clusters
constraint
solidity
Christianity has an accurate paradigm to describe it, as does Newton, Scientology, buddhism, and others.
The question seems to be which paradigm has associated tools to get out of it.
My vote goes to scientology and buddhism, but of course removed from the cult aspects of both, and concentrating on technique and knowledge.
I feel Newtons descriptions of what happens have validity but do not offer a way out of the situation, but instead validate it. (effectively implant or reinforce less optimum spiritual habits).
I think scientology is valuable, but that the whole focus of the OT levels tend to keep one "in the game" rather than out.
I think buddhism is short on technique that are at a low enough gradient for "the masses", but has the concepts needed to end the game.
IMO and subject to change!
snip. Why is it no longer individuals and why do we so often find it being a machine doing the work of some overwhelmer. What happened to the 'self identity' and where did it go? It's all supposed to be mostly accidental or like in a milazzo list of reasons a cluster is formed? Naw.Look around yu at the solid things and see if you can spot any part of it that used to be 'alive'. And that can be looking for trouble on occasion.
It all "used to" be alive. Which is a concept that will spin most when confronted.
Why? Because that is the direction we are all going.
The Scale;
a game
ego/identity
conflict/attachment
grouping/clusters
constraint
solidity
Christianity has an accurate paradigm to describe it, as does Newton, Scientology, buddhism, and others.
The question seems to be which paradigm has associated tools to get out of it.
My vote goes to scientology and buddhism, but of course removed from the cult aspects of both, and concentrating on technique and knowledge.
I feel Newtons descriptions of what happens have validity but do not offer a way out of the situation, but instead validate it. (effectively implant or reinforce less optimum spiritual habits).
I think scientology is valuable, but that the whole focus of the OT levels tend to keep one "in the game" rather than out.
I think buddhism is short on technique that are at a low enough gradient for "the masses", but has the concepts needed to end the game.
IMO and subject to change!
MattD
Patron with Honors
Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
If you were to google "Tensegrity" and "ClearGreen" you might find yourself thinking of Castenada more as you do Hubbard.
I think Castenada's only sin it to publish his work as non fiction. It contains much insight, albeit in allegory.
There was and still is a cult of Castenada, with lawyers, message boards and lives disrupted, although it is true that the Church of Scientology DID do it bigger and better.
If you were to google "Tensegrity" and "ClearGreen" you might find yourself thinking of Castenada more as you do Hubbard.
I think Castenada's only sin it to publish his work as non fiction. It contains much insight, albeit in allegory.
There was and still is a cult of Castenada, with lawyers, message boards and lives disrupted, although it is true that the Church of Scientology DID do it bigger and better.
MattD
Patron with Honors
Dr Newton Contact info
I have Dr Newtons home address and phone number if anyone would like to contact him in a respectful manner and become better informed. (He lives near me)
I would suggest though that the notion of him being some sort of fraud is better addressed in the examination of his ideas rather than the legitimacy of research or CV.
I believe him to be a man of good will, although I disagree with what he may conclude as a result of his work.
I have Dr Newtons home address and phone number if anyone would like to contact him in a respectful manner and become better informed. (He lives near me)
I would suggest though that the notion of him being some sort of fraud is better addressed in the examination of his ideas rather than the legitimacy of research or CV.
I believe him to be a man of good will, although I disagree with what he may conclude as a result of his work.
guanoloco
As-Wased
Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
That was about all I could find pertinent to what's being discussed so I wound up on the Newton Institute's site for this.
That was about all I could find pertinent to what's being discussed so I wound up on the Newton Institute's site for this.
guanoloco
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Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
Then I poked around with the nearest therapists and found out that you do a max of 2 sessions at anywhere from $100 - $200 a pop. That would put you out for 1 - 400 bucks.
From there I looked at the training and here's what I found.
I found this to be an upfront disclosure that clearly lays out what to expect and what is expected. Note that certification or whatever requires session transcripts and such.
Then I poked around with the nearest therapists and found out that you do a max of 2 sessions at anywhere from $100 - $200 a pop. That would put you out for 1 - 400 bucks.
From there I looked at the training and here's what I found.
I found this to be an upfront disclosure that clearly lays out what to expect and what is expected. Note that certification or whatever requires session transcripts and such.
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guanoloco
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Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
Finally, there's the code of ethics - all of this stuff can be found on the Newton Institute website.
NOTE: The code of ethics is actually closer to an auditor's code (as it should be) as opposed to Scientology's code of "ethics" that is primarily all about the "church". Herein the ethics code is to ensure a better consumer experience...the Scn ethics code is more about the consumer taught to shut the hell up or else.
Finally, there's the code of ethics - all of this stuff can be found on the Newton Institute website.
NOTE: The code of ethics is actually closer to an auditor's code (as it should be) as opposed to Scientology's code of "ethics" that is primarily all about the "church". Herein the ethics code is to ensure a better consumer experience...the Scn ethics code is more about the consumer taught to shut the hell up or else.
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guanoloco
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Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
All in all the enterprise seems pretty open and legit to me...prices were easy to locate and disclosed immediately. When I say "legit" I mean to say that it appears these people actually believe in the veracity of the claims.
So you don't have to own the books but you have to have read them - total investment is $60 or so if you buy them.
You don't have had to have had any sessions...but if you did let's say it was $400.
You only get 2 and then you're done.
Then you get trained for $2200 and have a membership of $40.
Total outlay = $2700 and we'll say $5000 as a total for expenses and such. There's clearly money being made here but it's a low-level scam if it's a scam.
If I were scamming I would want the client to come back and come back and come back - have 'em be a session junkie.
All in all the enterprise seems pretty open and legit to me...prices were easy to locate and disclosed immediately. When I say "legit" I mean to say that it appears these people actually believe in the veracity of the claims.
So you don't have to own the books but you have to have read them - total investment is $60 or so if you buy them.
You don't have had to have had any sessions...but if you did let's say it was $400.
You only get 2 and then you're done.
Then you get trained for $2200 and have a membership of $40.
Total outlay = $2700 and we'll say $5000 as a total for expenses and such. There's clearly money being made here but it's a low-level scam if it's a scam.
If I were scamming I would want the client to come back and come back and come back - have 'em be a session junkie.
Mark A. Baker
Sponsor
Re: Dr Newton Contact info
Not a good idea to offer to pass out another person's private residential information on a public internet board at any time, especially so without their express permission.
Mark A. Baker
Not a good idea to offer to pass out another person's private residential information on a public internet board at any time, especially so without their express permission.
Mark A. Baker
Student of Trinity
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Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
The fact that quite modest fees are charged does seem to indicate some level of sincerity, I would say. I mean, those fees sound like the sort of thing you would charge if you thought that your methods could also be taught by anyone else, so someone would undercut you if you overcharged, but you also thought you had a product of genuine value to offer, so you could count on keeping on getting customers indefinitely, so you could afford to charge modest prices. If you're a conscious scam artist, you're normally in it for the biggest buck fastest, since you know it could all go Poof overnight. You'd have to be a very patient and confident scam artist to charge modest prices and count on the long haul. And if you're patient and confident, why be a scammer in the first place?
The reasons for skepticism offered by this 'Larry' are also good ones, so the fact that Larry seems persuaded nonetheless is another positive sign.
What seems to me to be overlooked here, though, is the possibility that Newton is not fraudulent, but deluded. Hypnosis is just very tricky stuff. There have been quite a few cases where people under hypnosis seemed to remember something that could only have happened in a past life, but then further research (including further hypnotic regression, in some cases) turned up present-life experiences that fully accounted for the memories.
Was there, for instance, a book or tv show or something that a lot of people Newton's in area might all have seen, even just once in their lives, years before? The right questions, under hypnosis, might trigger similar stories based on that, without the subject remembering where they got the ideas. That would be unfortunately hard to rule out, but a priori it's really not so extremely unlikely, so it ought to be checked into.
Were Newton's questions perhaps too leading, perhaps in some very subtle way? Or did they even become rather blatantly leading at some point, but he had stopped noticing the fact, because he had become a believer, and took for granted the story that he felt was emerging? That's the sort of thing that a large number of unedited transcripts could confirm or disprove, at least to some probability.
Of course, people might just decide that Newton's scenario is inherently convincing, and be happy to accept it even apart from any evidence from Newton. We're never going to be able to test it really decisively, anyway, except by dying. Maybe somebody reaches a point where what Newton has already provided seems like enough evidence, and any problems that could be found with it, short of wholesale fraud, seem like insufficient reason to doubt it. At which point I guess you're exercising faith, and who am I to say that's not legitimate?
The fact that quite modest fees are charged does seem to indicate some level of sincerity, I would say. I mean, those fees sound like the sort of thing you would charge if you thought that your methods could also be taught by anyone else, so someone would undercut you if you overcharged, but you also thought you had a product of genuine value to offer, so you could count on keeping on getting customers indefinitely, so you could afford to charge modest prices. If you're a conscious scam artist, you're normally in it for the biggest buck fastest, since you know it could all go Poof overnight. You'd have to be a very patient and confident scam artist to charge modest prices and count on the long haul. And if you're patient and confident, why be a scammer in the first place?
The reasons for skepticism offered by this 'Larry' are also good ones, so the fact that Larry seems persuaded nonetheless is another positive sign.
What seems to me to be overlooked here, though, is the possibility that Newton is not fraudulent, but deluded. Hypnosis is just very tricky stuff. There have been quite a few cases where people under hypnosis seemed to remember something that could only have happened in a past life, but then further research (including further hypnotic regression, in some cases) turned up present-life experiences that fully accounted for the memories.
Was there, for instance, a book or tv show or something that a lot of people Newton's in area might all have seen, even just once in their lives, years before? The right questions, under hypnosis, might trigger similar stories based on that, without the subject remembering where they got the ideas. That would be unfortunately hard to rule out, but a priori it's really not so extremely unlikely, so it ought to be checked into.
Were Newton's questions perhaps too leading, perhaps in some very subtle way? Or did they even become rather blatantly leading at some point, but he had stopped noticing the fact, because he had become a believer, and took for granted the story that he felt was emerging? That's the sort of thing that a large number of unedited transcripts could confirm or disprove, at least to some probability.
Of course, people might just decide that Newton's scenario is inherently convincing, and be happy to accept it even apart from any evidence from Newton. We're never going to be able to test it really decisively, anyway, except by dying. Maybe somebody reaches a point where what Newton has already provided seems like enough evidence, and any problems that could be found with it, short of wholesale fraud, seem like insufficient reason to doubt it. At which point I guess you're exercising faith, and who am I to say that's not legitimate?
Mark A. Baker
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Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
Not sure why you would presume that. Scepticism is not the mark of an immature soul, any more than credence is necessarily the mark of a wise one.
More telling is an individual's openness to the consideration of contrary perspectives.
Such more 'academic' approaches haven't been exactly encouraged by the professional communities and as you are aware independent funding in support of such activities can be hard to come by. Still, although Newton's material is to some extent unique, I find it to be in many ways consistent with the work of other psychologists and psychiatrists who have published works dealing with regression practices. To my mind such materials appear to be increasingly available as apparently individuals appear to be more willing to risk professional ridicule, or at less concerned about the prospects of such ridicule, in the current decade.
The perspective that Newton presents can also be seen to overlap in some regards with materials from other cultural spiritual traditions, both in the traditional materials themselves as well as in academic anthropological studies of such. Whether, that is due to some sort of intentional editing on Newton's part, or whether it simply reflects common patterns of human conscious experience seems to be the question begged.
Personally, I consider it simpler, a la Occam, to accept that Newton's work is primarily based on his understanding of the meaning underlying the tape transcripts of regression sessions conducted by him on actual subjects over the course of his professional career. It accords with his professional background and is easier to accept than that he has deliberately sought to manufacture his own view of the afterlife based on other materials and to that end fabricated fictitious transcript materials to support his views. That doesn't equate to accepting his worldview as correct, but it does suggest that it reflects some aspect of human consciousness and possible spirituality.
As with all persons their conclusions are always shaped to some extent by their beliefs. However, 'conversion' from a materialist dogma is not an unusual phenomena, especially among those who subsequently develop a more profound interest in spiritual pursuits.
That is always a risk, no matter the subject of investigation.
Or more accurately, by not dying.
Mark A. Baker
Not sure why you would presume that. Scepticism is not the mark of an immature soul, any more than credence is necessarily the mark of a wise one.
More telling is an individual's openness to the consideration of contrary perspectives.
Such more 'academic' approaches haven't been exactly encouraged by the professional communities and as you are aware independent funding in support of such activities can be hard to come by. Still, although Newton's material is to some extent unique, I find it to be in many ways consistent with the work of other psychologists and psychiatrists who have published works dealing with regression practices. To my mind such materials appear to be increasingly available as apparently individuals appear to be more willing to risk professional ridicule, or at less concerned about the prospects of such ridicule, in the current decade.
The perspective that Newton presents can also be seen to overlap in some regards with materials from other cultural spiritual traditions, both in the traditional materials themselves as well as in academic anthropological studies of such. Whether, that is due to some sort of intentional editing on Newton's part, or whether it simply reflects common patterns of human conscious experience seems to be the question begged.
Personally, I consider it simpler, a la Occam, to accept that Newton's work is primarily based on his understanding of the meaning underlying the tape transcripts of regression sessions conducted by him on actual subjects over the course of his professional career. It accords with his professional background and is easier to accept than that he has deliberately sought to manufacture his own view of the afterlife based on other materials and to that end fabricated fictitious transcript materials to support his views. That doesn't equate to accepting his worldview as correct, but it does suggest that it reflects some aspect of human consciousness and possible spirituality.
As with all persons their conclusions are always shaped to some extent by their beliefs. However, 'conversion' from a materialist dogma is not an unusual phenomena, especially among those who subsequently develop a more profound interest in spiritual pursuits.
That is always a risk, no matter the subject of investigation.
Or more accurately, by not dying.
Mark A. Baker
Dulloldfart
Squirrel Extraordinaire
Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
These points are all covered quite thoroughly in Newton's first book, and second book. I really don't want to copy them all out (again). They should be visible fairly early on in the thread. I guess expecting you to just read the book is a bit much.
Paul
These points are all covered quite thoroughly in Newton's first book, and second book. I really don't want to copy them all out (again). They should be visible fairly early on in the thread. I guess expecting you to just read the book is a bit much.
Paul
guanoloco
As-Wased
Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
Not only these but in other areas of study the information cross-references quite well. That would be with NDE research by legitimate researchers as well as researches in "channelling" and such. The "legitimate" researchers would be neurosurgeons, psychiatrists and such.
However, a word of caution...there may be "cultural" influences of mythology or something that we are not familiar with and since the world is factually becoming smaller in terms of communication lag and sharing these influences may very well be global. By this I mean that the universal congruence with these descriptions may be influenced.
The reason I broach this is because of the "greys" in alien abduction stories. When the UFO stories began I "think" (because I haven't studied it specifically) the contacts were not uniform to begin with in describing the "beings". I don't know when, exactly, the popular alien grey image started but it became the dominant image - 3 or 4 foot tall, large head and eyes, no ears, no hair, grey skin - Close Encounters little fellows. I guess before that it was "little green men" but really all over the spectrum with perhaps no consistency. It was this era when Hubbard jumped on the bandwagon and talked about Venusians and Martians and who knows what...we were being invaded by all sorts of races but now it's primarily just "greys". Of course, perhaps the multitude other sightings can be chalked up to hoax and the "greys" and their consistency have stood the test of time because they are legitimate?
(I personally have an issue with the whole UFO/aliens visiting [STRIKE]Teegeeack[/STRIKE]...er...Earth thing.)
At any rate, I really wish I could find that dissenter of regression techniques as aired on that Science of the Soul documentary. It was that specifically that prompted me to buy the damned thing and it really pisses me off that that very portion is the portion deleted! It's a great documentary but kind of like getting a kitten for Christmas when you expect the puppy.
I wanted to find that person and start asking about the problems with regression technique. On the aired version the dissenter argued that there existed ample clinical evidence that hypnotic regression created false memories and Newton makes it extremely clear in his book(s) that it is impossible to do that very thing (please note the quoted text I posted before on a chat with Newton where he discusses the deep regression techniques to go beyond the ego and contact the soul).
I stated earlier that maybe this discrepancy is due to not comparing apples to apples. Maybe the dissenter meant that when people are hypnotically regressed the false memories can be implanted that the subject will then recall in an unhypnotized state - this is something that I understand to be true...stop smoking and all that - Newton, on the other hand, is describing what subjects do while hypnotized and per him they refuse to accept false memories and will only recount truthful memories while hypnotized. However, I don't know if that is how smoking is treated and I don't know really very much at all about hypnotism.
One other point of correlation is with Cayce's material...not so much the LBL stuff but the creation of the races, the influence of primates...stuff like that gels pretty well with various topics covered by Newton's JOS and DOS.
The main thing to learn from the training that is sold is that the applicants don't pay until accepted and they have to be established hypnotherapists = not just anybody gets this training and you are most certainly NOT taught basic hypnotherapy concepts. I definitely got the impression that you're a trained and possibly seasoned hypnotherapist.
Not only these but in other areas of study the information cross-references quite well. That would be with NDE research by legitimate researchers as well as researches in "channelling" and such. The "legitimate" researchers would be neurosurgeons, psychiatrists and such.
However, a word of caution...there may be "cultural" influences of mythology or something that we are not familiar with and since the world is factually becoming smaller in terms of communication lag and sharing these influences may very well be global. By this I mean that the universal congruence with these descriptions may be influenced.
The reason I broach this is because of the "greys" in alien abduction stories. When the UFO stories began I "think" (because I haven't studied it specifically) the contacts were not uniform to begin with in describing the "beings". I don't know when, exactly, the popular alien grey image started but it became the dominant image - 3 or 4 foot tall, large head and eyes, no ears, no hair, grey skin - Close Encounters little fellows. I guess before that it was "little green men" but really all over the spectrum with perhaps no consistency. It was this era when Hubbard jumped on the bandwagon and talked about Venusians and Martians and who knows what...we were being invaded by all sorts of races but now it's primarily just "greys". Of course, perhaps the multitude other sightings can be chalked up to hoax and the "greys" and their consistency have stood the test of time because they are legitimate?
(I personally have an issue with the whole UFO/aliens visiting [STRIKE]Teegeeack[/STRIKE]...er...Earth thing.)
At any rate, I really wish I could find that dissenter of regression techniques as aired on that Science of the Soul documentary. It was that specifically that prompted me to buy the damned thing and it really pisses me off that that very portion is the portion deleted! It's a great documentary but kind of like getting a kitten for Christmas when you expect the puppy.
I wanted to find that person and start asking about the problems with regression technique. On the aired version the dissenter argued that there existed ample clinical evidence that hypnotic regression created false memories and Newton makes it extremely clear in his book(s) that it is impossible to do that very thing (please note the quoted text I posted before on a chat with Newton where he discusses the deep regression techniques to go beyond the ego and contact the soul).
I stated earlier that maybe this discrepancy is due to not comparing apples to apples. Maybe the dissenter meant that when people are hypnotically regressed the false memories can be implanted that the subject will then recall in an unhypnotized state - this is something that I understand to be true...stop smoking and all that - Newton, on the other hand, is describing what subjects do while hypnotized and per him they refuse to accept false memories and will only recount truthful memories while hypnotized. However, I don't know if that is how smoking is treated and I don't know really very much at all about hypnotism.
One other point of correlation is with Cayce's material...not so much the LBL stuff but the creation of the races, the influence of primates...stuff like that gels pretty well with various topics covered by Newton's JOS and DOS.
The main thing to learn from the training that is sold is that the applicants don't pay until accepted and they have to be established hypnotherapists = not just anybody gets this training and you are most certainly NOT taught basic hypnotherapy concepts. I definitely got the impression that you're a trained and possibly seasoned hypnotherapist.
mate
Patron Meritorious
Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
I am somewhat astonished by the continuing attack on Newton.
Student of Trinity has admitted that he/she was never in Scientology and by the nic, I suspect that he/she may well be a member of a Christian cult. However, I am satisfied that he/she has not read any of Newton's books nor read through this thread. He/she is obsessed with Newton's credentials, yet is unwilling to contact him. I would not be surprised if he/she somehow feels threatened by Newton's findings and is looking for someone to discredit Newton's work, yet not willing to do it him/herself, perhaps because he/she thinks that it may, in fact, stand up to such a scrutiny.
On the other hand, I do understand where boatswain is coming from. His observation that he didn't exist before this lifetime and when he dies, he will cease to exist, is spot on. This is true of everyone's earthly self, their “I, me, my” self.
In many cases, a person's first three decades are concerned with learning, with getting established in a career, and in starting a family and settling down, and he would tend have that consideration. Then at this point, a person's attention, in many cases, turns to trying to understand the meaning of life. He becomes aware of phenomena beyond what he considers to be the physical universe.
I recall trying to understand how come I was “aware” and for thr life of me, I couldn't find an explanation. But that is another experience.
David.
I am somewhat astonished by the continuing attack on Newton.
Student of Trinity has admitted that he/she was never in Scientology and by the nic, I suspect that he/she may well be a member of a Christian cult. However, I am satisfied that he/she has not read any of Newton's books nor read through this thread. He/she is obsessed with Newton's credentials, yet is unwilling to contact him. I would not be surprised if he/she somehow feels threatened by Newton's findings and is looking for someone to discredit Newton's work, yet not willing to do it him/herself, perhaps because he/she thinks that it may, in fact, stand up to such a scrutiny.
On the other hand, I do understand where boatswain is coming from. His observation that he didn't exist before this lifetime and when he dies, he will cease to exist, is spot on. This is true of everyone's earthly self, their “I, me, my” self.
In many cases, a person's first three decades are concerned with learning, with getting established in a career, and in starting a family and settling down, and he would tend have that consideration. Then at this point, a person's attention, in many cases, turns to trying to understand the meaning of life. He becomes aware of phenomena beyond what he considers to be the physical universe.
I recall trying to understand how come I was “aware” and for thr life of me, I couldn't find an explanation. But that is another experience.
David.
RogerB
Crusader
Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
David,
From what I remember of Student of Trinity's earlier posts, he/she has stated he/she is a professor of physics at some university or other. The "trinity" referred to is the atomic bomb/nuclear physics history.
That came up on the "expanding earth" thread . . SOT was one who shouted to "references" . . . the usual call made by these folks rather than a simple analysis of presented info by self. But to be noted is, after such references were supplied in full, there was no further response or reply
Thus I am led to question sincerity.
Rog
David,
From what I remember of Student of Trinity's earlier posts, he/she has stated he/she is a professor of physics at some university or other. The "trinity" referred to is the atomic bomb/nuclear physics history.
That came up on the "expanding earth" thread . . SOT was one who shouted to "references" . . . the usual call made by these folks rather than a simple analysis of presented info by self. But to be noted is, after such references were supplied in full, there was no further response or reply
Thus I am led to question sincerity.
Rog
Clarence Rockaway
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Re: Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton
Your observation that 'life forms are rare, we've yet to find any outside our planet', prompts me to respond that on a universal or even galactical scale we've hardly been one inch outside our planet...so how do you know what life forms there are elsewhere? Also, there is life without form. A lot of it. One day that's what you'll be. Should you consider George Kavassilas as another "New Age" nutcase? Your question and previous comment officially induct you as an honorable member into the Cement Hall of Fame. So you might as well, if you're to maintain your 'human concrete slab' status in the Hall.
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