Life Between Lives — Dr. Michael Newton

[Dulloldfart]

Like what? What practice that existed 1952 did he steal? I am interested.
Newton published his books after LRH died. So you cannot mean Newton.

Well, I don't know about that. If you read Newton's books, he talks about spirits in the LBL area viewing the major events in the lives TO COME for the few options they are offered. I.e., Joe Jones will live this kind of life and have this happen to him at age 17; and Sally Smith will live that kind of life and have such and such happen at age 3, and 18, and 29. Which of the two lives do you want to inhabit?

So maybe Hubbard was aware of what Newton would be publishing and ripped it off too.

(Said as a joke, but Newton does talk about such choices being available. It's the hardest part of Newton's work for me to accept)

Paul

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Read the books. You're likely to get a different viewpoint than that afterwards.

Paul

I enjoy Newton's books also. They are certainly food for thought. However, I've had pcs in session bring up 'tween lives incidents and run them as implants.

I'm reserving judgement until the next time I'm there.

By the by, Brian Weiss has some books some of which are in a somewhat similar vein.


Mark A. Baker

 

[owl]

Thanks for posting this, this is really interesting.

I believe in reincarnation, which is why I had issues with Scientology and whether it was the way or not.

I think LRH made up the implant station theory so that people feel they HAVE to do Scientology. I said to someone once "Can't you just, hang out after you die and wait for everything to sort itself out" and he said yes but the IMPLANT STATIONS OOOO so that's why you have to do it now while you're in a body *eye roll*

 

[BlackCatTango]

Sylvia Browne also has a book out about the Between lives: The Other Side and Back. If you have never heard of her, she is a psychic who used to appear on the Montel Williams Show and she has authored very many books on her psychic perceptions & experiences. She's easy reading. I just can't say I believe or find valid all of what she writes but some of it may add to one's spiritual perceptions of things. In my mind it's a matter of taking away from it what you want.

She's very much into the heaven aspect and the book above is along the lines of Newton's research in that it is a supposed description of where you go between lives and what happens and so it is her description of "Heaven".
She has and uses "spirit guides" as do many persons in other spiritual practices.

I found the explanations about part of the spirit being accessible while the other part reincarnates very plausible. First, it explains how certain spiritual people can get guidance from their ancestors or contact those who have passed on, and yet that the person has also reincarnated.

Michael Newton's books sound very interesting, so I will likely read them since it may begin to answer some of the questions I have regarding past lives.

I can't say I understand about implant stations.....and yet people have experienced them during auditing....? Or did they experience something that was influenced by Hubbard's explanation of what it was.

 

[Carnivale]

Sylvia Browne also has a book out about the Between lives: The Other Side and Back. If you have never heard of her, she is a psychic who used to appear on the Montel Williams Show and she has authored very many books on her psychic perceptions & experiences. She's easy reading. I just can't say I believe or find valid all of what she writes but some of it may add to one's spiritual perceptions of things. In my mind it's a matter of taking away from it what you want.

She's very much into the heaven aspect and the book above is along the lines of Newton's research in that it is a supposed description of where you go between lives and what happens and so it is her description of "Heaven".
She has and uses "spirit guides" as do many persons in other spiritual practices.

Sylvia Browne is a scam artist who preys on people when they are their most vulnerable and in need of help. She is one of the "psychics" that upsets me the most because of this. Watch this video (at least the beginning).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUCECDBOOjw

She told parents worried about their son that he was dead (he was later found alive). Can you imagine what these parents went through? And the info she gave to the police as to where to find the body lost valuable time and wasted resources. This case is not isolated.


I know a few people that believe they have some psychic powers. I don't care to dissuade them of their belief. No one is hurt, and they think they are sending people good vibrations, etc...
But Sylvia KNOWS she is a conwoman, and because her victims are so in pain when she gets a hold of them, I have the strongest contempt for her. I could fill this page with links to skeptical pages about her, but they are easy to find. And she has set up her son to take over for her. Grifters. High-cost grifters.



ps, if her voice doesn't convince you to give up smoking, I don't know what will.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Sylvia Browne also has a book out about the Between lives: The Other Side and Back. If you have never heard of her, she is a psychic who used to appear on the Montel Williams Show and she has authored very many books on her psychic perceptions & experiences.

I'm not very interested in one person's account of their personal experiences in the area. Newton's books are mainly a record of the commonalities in his research into over 7000 cases over 30 years. It's different.

Similarly with people's session experiences after reading Hubbard. When I was doing the comm course back in 1972, I remember having a win doing TR-0 when I saw "Naphesh, the Astral Serpent" [sic]. At the time I had been reading an esoteric book and believed in such things, and viewed my experiences in a certain light. Same with Hubbard's implants.

Paul

 

[knn]

As the vast majority if not all of Newton’s 7000+ clients were English-speaking Americans, this would be a biased sample, in my opinion.

Moreover probably most of his clients are women, I guess. Women are usually more doctor-seeking and eager to get hypnotized, men are usually reluctant.

I would also like to know what a hypnotized person would answer if you'd ask them questions like "What food did you eat last Wednesday on Venus?" Whether they would make something up....

 

[Dulloldfart]

I would also like to know what a hypnotized person would answer if you'd ask them questions like "What food did you eat last Wednesday on Venus?" Whether they would make something up....

I don't think he asked leading questions like that. But on the rare occasion when he wrote down a mistake he made, he reported answers like "WTF are you talking about?"

Paul

 

[knn]

But on the rare occasion when he wrote down a mistake he made, he reported answers like "WTF are you talking about?"

Interesting. Thanks.

 

[13heathens]

... He specializes in the between-lives area rather than the past lives area, although there is obvious overlap...

Thanks for posting this. It was a riot!

 

[owl]

Thanks for posting this. It was a riot!

dont be rude

 

[13heathens]

dont be rude

Finding humor in something constitutes rudeness? Hmm, that's a new one.

 

[owl]

Finding humor in something constitutes rudeness? Hmm, that's a new one.

grow up

he posted this because he believes in it, and i believe in it too

and you belittle it like that

~thanks for posting it was a riot!~

i'm sure you see how that was rude but you're just being a little child

 

[13heathens]

grow up

he posted this because he believes in it, and i believe in it too

and you belittle it like that

~thanks for posting it was a riot!~

i'm sure you see how that was rude but you're just being a little child

I'm not sure whether I should be offended or amused by that. Newton's talks are predominantly a reworking of the works on the topic by Silvia brown with a Native American spin as apposed to the christian spin that brown put on it.

While there are some parts that initially made me wonder if he had achieved some insight many of his claims are so far off in left field that I was torn between wanting to laugh, and wanting to scold him for imposing too many of his preconceived notions onto his interpretations.

I found it comical. You're welcome to subscribe to whatever hypothesis you'd like. Based on my own knowledge, I'm also entitled to find it comical. If you'd like to discuss this matter further I'd be glad to, however stating my honest opinion hardly constitutes being childish or rude.

It reminds me of Science of Survival where L Ron Hubbard says that the utterance of a counter thought is the start of an entheta line. That lovely little trap in which anyone who does not see things the same way is considered 'wrong.. or 'rude'.

 

[knn]

I was torn between wanting to laugh, and wanting to scold him for imposing too many of his preconceived notions onto his interpretations.

I wonder whether you still will laugh when you die and it turns out that LRH is one of the council members.

It reminds me of Science of Survival where L Ron Hubbard says that the utterance of a counter thought is the start of an entheta line. That lovely little trap in which anyone who does not see things the same way is considered 'wrong.. or 'rude'.

Page?

 

[13heathens]

I wonder whether you still will laugh when you die and it turns out that LRH is one of the council members.

Been there, done that, and there is no council.

Page?

Book 1 Chapter 22- the handling of truth. It was a conglomeration of multiple sections, not a direct quote, and was a touch off but regardless.. Last sentence
of paragraph 2 on page 155 through the paragraph which ends on the top of 156.

 

[knn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU

I think it's kind of fitting in this thread, although not exactly ontopic.

 

[knn]

Book 1 Chapter 22- the handling of truth. It was a conglomeration of multiple sections, not a direct quote, and was a touch off but regardless.. Last sentence
of paragraph 2 on page 155 through the paragraph which ends on the top of 156.

There is an ethic about the handling of truth. While it may be true that something is undesirable or that a person is bad, if it serves no good purpose to make the statement, the issuance of this “truth” is in reality the establishing of an entheta line. The highest concept of truth, then, has a certain aesthetic about it, in that it is creative and constructive. In common human experience we all know something about the truth and we know that we cannot deal in a black and white breakdown between the truth and lies.
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He merely states that there is beauty in Anonymous, and that it's bad to consider something being merely black or merely white. He doesn't even mention "counter-thoughts are the start of an entheta line". It's not about counter thoughts but rather about fixed ideas. Stating "A person is bad" (= no white) is the start of the entheta line.

 

[imike]

Michael Newton’s work

Michael Newton’s work and interviewing over 7,000 clients during over 30 years is really impressive. But I have one major doubt. Newton may be very skilled hypnotherapist but it is very strange that over such a period of time no one else came to similar conclusion about lbl.

The Newton Institute claims : “we have an expanding group of multilingual practitioners who can work in several languages, thus enabling individuals from all over the world to experience an LBL session” and list of therapists is quite big. How it is possible that I can’t find any other literature, any peer review on this subject than 3 books (and fourth to come) written by Newton?

 

[Dulloldfart]

The Newton Institute claims : “we have an expanding group of multilingual practitioners who can work in several languages, thus enabling individuals from all over the world to experience an LBL session” and list of therapists is quite big. How it is possible that I can’t find any other literature, any peer review on this subject than 3 books (and fourth to come) written by Newton?

One thing that comes to mind is Newton says that a three or four hour deep hypnosis session is essential, and usual therapy sessions are a fifty-minute "hour." He developed a whole procedure to approach and extract information about the LBL area, which he details in his third book.

Wouldn't a proper peer-review entail following his procedure precisely on a significant number of cases and then reporting what was found?

The fourth book is cases from others, edited by Newton. It is due out in a couple of months.

Paul