sandygirl
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This is sickening-as per usual- when you dump a child in the SO!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVpK9B3i58k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVpK9B3i58k
Long road out of scientology
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Sharone Stainforth
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This is sickening-as per usual- when you dump a child in the SO!!!!
Its horrendous, i can't help but wonder just how many ex scieno children with tales like that, that there are?
Its horrendous, i can't help but wonder just how many ex scieno children with tales like that, that there are?
Wisened One
Crusader
Sad, sick, sad....he sounds quite sane, thank god he left...and sheesh, OSA decided to harass him and his family just for attending a Protest? 
byte301
Crusader
Ya know, the thing that pisses me off the worst is his mother. She disconnected with him and threw him out on the streets. That was okay. Scientology was paramount. But then she decides Davey is squirreling the tech and they become inactive and now he's okay.
Am I just overreacting or does anyone else see the irony in it? At my worst my mother still loved me. I just don't understand how a mother or father could do that to their own kid. This was something I couldn't resolve when I was in. It's a big reason why I left. They tried to get me to disconnect from my mother. And she just kept sticking by me and loving me. That's what a parents love should be...unconditional.
Am I just overreacting or does anyone else see the irony in it? At my worst my mother still loved me. I just don't understand how a mother or father could do that to their own kid. This was something I couldn't resolve when I was in. It's a big reason why I left. They tried to get me to disconnect from my mother. And she just kept sticking by me and loving me. That's what a parents love should be...unconditional.
How is this guy still sane?? Well at least now he has a partner and a child and let's hope that the rest of his life makes up for the hell of his past.
Free to shine
Shiny & Free
Yeah I agree and I still have trouble with that one too.
Alanzo
Bardo Tulpa
It was one of Hubbard's most important targets in his onslaught.
His biggest competitor was the love that parents have for their children. So he developed the most effective means to destroy that - so he could keep everyone paying for their Scientology services and moving up his Bridge.
The environment that parents were in in Scientology was DEVOTED to breaking up their bond with their children.
I know many parents who are very guilty to this day about how their children were raised and the decisions they made with their children while under the influence of the cult.
You can blame them for what they did. But if you do, you have to look at the choices that were forced upon them, as well, that they never knowingly signed up for.
sallydannce
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Real love is vehemently opposed by sociopaths. The parent/child love is one of the most powerful loving bonds. A sociopath is heavily threatened by such a strong connection.
I'm not sure if Hubbard attacked the parent/child love to keep his "slaves" under control or if he attacked it because it was something so alien to him, so incomprehensible that he had to destroy it in some sort of sick allergic reaction to the purity of it. The man had no love, was not capable of love so for him to see others around him with strong loving bonds, it must have been painful for the stupid old wanker.
I've wondered if Hubbard merely got sadistic pleasure in harming families - ripping them apart purely for his own sicko entertainment. A challenge to him which he got his rocks off about when he managed to tear apart a loving bond.
Whatever one concludes, the fact remains that Hubbard had no love, could not experience love and therefore had to destroy those who did experience love.
I'm not sure if Hubbard attacked the parent/child love to keep his "slaves" under control or if he attacked it because it was something so alien to him, so incomprehensible that he had to destroy it in some sort of sick allergic reaction to the purity of it. The man had no love, was not capable of love so for him to see others around him with strong loving bonds, it must have been painful for the stupid old wanker.
I've wondered if Hubbard merely got sadistic pleasure in harming families - ripping them apart purely for his own sicko entertainment. A challenge to him which he got his rocks off about when he managed to tear apart a loving bond.
Whatever one concludes, the fact remains that Hubbard had no love, could not experience love and therefore had to destroy those who did experience love.
byte301
Crusader
Alanzo, I have to agree with you and I was thinking about that as I wrote my previous post. But I think there are moments in life that would snap anybody back into reality. I would hope that being told you couldn't communicate with your flesh and blood would be one of those moments. But you know what, I don't think I was ever indoctrinated that heavily. I was a dilettante a lot of the time, I guess. So I find it hard to put myself in someone's shoes who was so fully indoctrinated. It makes me come down too hard on people, I think. I need to work on that.
p.s. the above doesn't apply to Davey.
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sandygirl
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Quote from SallyDannce:
And passed it right down to his henchmen...the SO recruiters. I had to sit through endless recruitment cycles with these goons. Two stupid comments when I REFUSED to join staff and dump my little kids:
A thetan does not create another thetan- I am not REALLY their mother!!!! and if I cared about them I would see it's more important to save the planet!
When I said there would be NO WAY anyone else is raising my kids but me-get this-one of the goons said I needed a rollback to find out where that FALSE DATA is coming from (as I am not really their mom just a meat body that gave birth to their meat bodies!!!!!)
God I really hate those guys!!! What scum!!!!
Their poor moms probably signed them over at a young age. No wonder they have no clue about the parent/child relationship!!!!
And passed it right down to his henchmen...the SO recruiters. I had to sit through endless recruitment cycles with these goons. Two stupid comments when I REFUSED to join staff and dump my little kids:
A thetan does not create another thetan- I am not REALLY their mother!!!! and if I cared about them I would see it's more important to save the planet!
When I said there would be NO WAY anyone else is raising my kids but me-get this-one of the goons said I needed a rollback to find out where that FALSE DATA is coming from (as I am not really their mom just a meat body that gave birth to their meat bodies!!!!!)
God I really hate those guys!!! What scum!!!!
Their poor moms probably signed them over at a young age. No wonder they have no clue about the parent/child relationship!!!!
byte301
Crusader
Quote from SallyDannce:
And passed it right down to his henchmen...the SO recruiters. I had to sit through endless recruitment cycles with these goons. Two stupid comments when I REFUSED to join staff and dump my little kids:
A thetan does not create another thetan- I am not REALLY their mother!!!! and if I cared about them I would see it's more important to save the planet!
When I said there would be NO WAY anyone else is raising my kids but me-get this-one of the goons said I needed a rollback to find out where that FALSE DATA is coming from (as I am not really their mom just a meat body that gave birth to their meat bodies!!!!!)
God I really hate those guys!!! What scum!!!!
Well, let's hope they did the world a favor and didn't reproduce! That gene pool needs to be closed for sure.
ThisIsIt
Patron with Honors
Well, this is certainly a thread I can bite my teeth in to. Fortunately, over 30 plus years and 5 kids I always refused to let someone else raise my kids by joining staff. However, unfortunately, that did not prevent me from allowing my kids or even encouraging them to join staff or the SO. I am sure they will forgive me as I forgive myself.
I can honestly say that they all turned out great and some good did come out of it. But the stories are incredible.
One of my kids (Child A, I am still in a protect the identity mode) did a rather lengthy stint in the RPF. When Child A called me to tell me this news, I went through the most horrific gut wrenching 2 days, then I justified it away...poof! The next several years were pretty weird for me, can only imagine what it was like for them. Child A is now out (how that happen was horrific as well) and living life. Are there residual effects? Yes, and hopefully soon we will watch the relief unfold.
I still look back and wonder how I could have justified all the things I did. Amazing how long it took me, especially considering all the other events that occurred with other kids.
I consider my self so fortunate when I see all the things that happen to ex's.
I have not lost any family members and my life is great...other than the total recovery of financial loss I endured. Compared to family loss that is nothing.
ThisIsIt
I can honestly say that they all turned out great and some good did come out of it. But the stories are incredible.
One of my kids (Child A, I am still in a protect the identity mode) did a rather lengthy stint in the RPF. When Child A called me to tell me this news, I went through the most horrific gut wrenching 2 days, then I justified it away...poof! The next several years were pretty weird for me, can only imagine what it was like for them. Child A is now out (how that happen was horrific as well) and living life. Are there residual effects? Yes, and hopefully soon we will watch the relief unfold.
I still look back and wonder how I could have justified all the things I did. Amazing how long it took me, especially considering all the other events that occurred with other kids.
I consider my self so fortunate when I see all the things that happen to ex's.
I have not lost any family members and my life is great...other than the total recovery of financial loss I endured. Compared to family loss that is nothing.
ThisIsIt
Pixie
Crusader
Well, this is certainly a thread I can bite my teeth in to. Fortunately, over 30 plus years and 5 kids I always refused to let someone else raise my kids by joining staff. However, unfortunately, that did not prevent me from allowing my kids or even encouraging them to join staff or the SO. I am sure they will forgive me as I forgive myself.
I can honestly say that they all turned out great and some good did come out of it. But the stories are incredible.
One of my kids (Child A, I am still in a protect the identity mode) did a rather lengthy stint in the RPF. When Child A called me to tell me this news, I went through the most horrific gut wrenching 2 days, then I justified it away...poof! The next several years were pretty weird for me, can only imagine what it was like for them. Child A is now out (how that happen was horrific as well) and living life. Are there residual effects? Yes, and hopefully soon we will watch the relief unfold.
I still look back and wonder how I could have justified all the things I did. Amazing how long it took me, especially considering all the other events that occurred with other kids.
I consider my self so fortunate when I see all the things that happen to ex's.
I have not lost any family members and my life is great...other than the total recovery of financial loss I endured. Compared to family loss that is nothing.
ThisIsIt
One can only imagine what you have been through TII, you have come through so so very much, and survived, you are indeed very brave.
I am glad that your family are out and that you are now all together, this way you can all heal together as well. As for comparing, I understand this and used to say this too, but pain is relative, it cannot be measured, it's not a case of someone else had 'more pain' or 'less pain' than anyone, because I feel that as exes we all got just as much pain as we could possibly take, so you can't say that what you went through was nothing, it was something, a huge something, and I applaud you for getting out and keeping it together.
Pixie
Crusader
Thank you for your reply Pixie.
Thank god the past really is an illusion.
I so appreciate my life served in the NOW!
ThisIsIt
You too??!! Well I'm working on it every day, but it sure ain't easy sometimes! 
But I agree, lets all be in the NOW!! 
Good for you TII.
Here's hoping life just keeps getting better.
Here's hoping life just keeps getting better.
Well, this is certainly a thread I can bite my teeth in to. Fortunately, over 30 plus years and 5 kids I always refused to let someone else raise my kids by joining staff. However, unfortunately, that did not prevent me from allowing my kids or even encouraging them to join staff or the SO. I am sure they will forgive me as I forgive myself.
I can honestly say that they all turned out great and some good did come out of it. But the stories are incredible.
One of my kids (Child A, I am still in a protect the identity mode) did a rather lengthy stint in the RPF. When Child A called me to tell me this news, I went through the most horrific gut wrenching 2 days, then I justified it away...poof! The next several years were pretty weird for me, can only imagine what it was like for them. Child A is now out (how that happen was horrific as well) and living life. Are there residual effects? Yes, and hopefully soon we will watch the relief unfold.
I still look back and wonder how I could have justified all the things I did. Amazing how long it took me, especially considering all the other events that occurred with other kids.
I consider my self so fortunate when I see all the things that happen to ex's.
I have not lost any family members and my life is great...other than the total recovery of financial loss I endured. Compared to family loss that is nothing.
ThisIsIt
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