Looking for a meter

[TomKat]

So I looked this up and read this:

The Ketchum Project: What to Believe about Bigfoot DNA ‘Science’

It doesn't mention Paulides but it does mention Jeff Meldrum.

Dr. Jeff Meldrum, of Idaho State University, a well-known academic involved in Bigfoot research, has also steered clear of the Ketchum project and, instead, backs the Sykes study, perhaps even by submitting a sample toward it.30 Meldrum was also critical in semi-public (through released email exchanges) of the Ketchum “science by press release” approach.31 It surely did not help Ketchum’s reputation that she was associated with Igor Burtsev, a Russian Yeti researcher. In the recent past, Meldrum expressed annoyance with the approach of Burtsev and other Russian “scientists” eager about the study of Bigfoot in their native lands.​

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Meldrum is not a woo and he's convinced of a real Bigfoot.

I spent about 5 hours with him in his office in Pocatello and he is authentic. He showed me every Bigfoot cast that's ever been collected and we discussed Grover Krantz and Jimmy Chilcutt. Compelling to say the least.

Yes, the Ketchum DNA is controversial but credible people such as Paulides say it's legit. Researchers in the paranormal are known to be jealous of each others' accomplishments, so there's a lot of controversy, claims and counterclaims, etc. I do know that whenever someone comes up with something astounding on their own without consulting those who feel they own the field, they are routinely pilloried and stoned. History is usually on the side of the lone voice, though.

 

[Gib]

Hello everyone,

I am new here.

Does anyone have or know of anyone who has a cheap meter for sale?

I am temporarily disabled in a wheelchair for at least 2 months, so I have plenty of time for processing. I usually solo audit unmetered, but would like to have a meter handy.

If you are looking to duplicate source, why that is L Ron Hubbard, why you should get the Mathison emeter, that's the one Hubbard used to explore OT and MEST and Entities. Here, listen to the tape of the ole man:

https://rutube.ru/video/465ebe29c4e8e88e439faea0adc80211/?ref=logo&bmstart=76

As found on Tony O blog:

https://tonyortega.org/2014/06/17/r...ally-came-up-with-scientologys-space-cooties/

Now, if you believe this utter bullshit, you are in a state of allusion.

It's actually no different than a Ouija Board, really, except for the science of a electronic device, emeter, which is the Ouiji Board, same shit,

and no clears or OT's.

 

[Wilbur]

Several. I have a C-meter (from Ralph Hilton) from a decade ago, and a Thetameter from (Russian, I forget, easy to look up). Haven't used them in years, and then only for experiments/demos. The last time I used one "properly" was in 2005.

Here's a vid using the C-meter. I faked nothing in the vid, but don't read too much into what you see/hear.

Paul

Paul,

I'm curious as to why you stopped auditing and using your meters. In the video, it looks like you are starting to integrate your Scientology understanding of the world with ideas/data from reincarnation-type practitioners. Did you pursue that very far? Did you finally conclude that it was all nonsense, and abandon it completely? Or what? I'm curious about your current viewpoint.

 

[Dulloldfart]

Paul,

I'm curious as to why you stopped auditing and using your meters. In the video, it looks like you are starting to integrate your Scientology understanding of the world with ideas/data from reincarnation-type practitioners. Did you pursue that very far? Did you finally conclude that it was all nonsense, and abandon it completely? Or what? I'm curious about your current viewpoint.

I originally got auditing to "go up the Bridge". It was all free of charge in the Sea Org at AOSHUK and I wanted to get those cool OT abilities. I never wanted to spend any auditing time addressing day-to-day upsets, even when occasionally sick, as it seemed like a waste. There are enough lies in Scn theories to warrant assuming the totality of Scn theory is false -- that assumption isn't valid, but it makes a good starting point. For several years now I have liked Dr. Michael Newton's life-between-lives research, and Barbara Brennan's research into one's subtle-energy systems and extended anatomy. I don't really read other practitioners' work.

My worldview includes the idea that we are all spiritual beings on individual journeys, with -- being very simplistic -- "theory" in structured life-between-lives classes, and the "practical" conducted in the intermittent physical lives on Earth. The journey is really the classical idea of l-o-n-g-term self-actualization, amusingly a sort of going up the heavenly bridge.

I think spending much time while doing "the practical" trying to discover snippets of info -- with no real proof -- about "life up there" is kinda ass-backwards. That video'd session was just out of curiosity to see what would happen: I have had no interest in trying to investigate it further.

I have written loads on ESMB about the dangers of using a meter, mainly the suggestibility aspects. The meter is supposedly useful for (1) discovering charged items to address; (2) getting an idea of how charged an item is; (3) seeing when a process is flat (no more tone arm action). All this can be done much better with my Rub & Yawn procedure, with zero suggestibility problems and very little training needed. See, for example, a Steemit post I wrote two days ago: https://steemit.com/counseling/@yawnguy/the-suds-and-sushi-scales.

Paul

 

[Out Effix]

I had a realization on this thread. Thank you 8008!

The power of the mind is stronger than the meter. I can fool the cans.

I can pretend I am a Scientologist - to fool my friends and family.

Yes - I do live a double life but at least I KNOW it and am being true to myself.

I got my personal integrity back.

I am okay with lying to family and friends and pretending to be part of the group.

I don't want to lose them. At least for now.

It is what it is. I am okay with that. I have "as-ized" it.

Scientology is evil and it forces you to either lie to your family and friends still in - or lose them. If you are not a Scientologist and you know the entire thing is a horrible scam, you will lose everyone in your life still in Scientology drinking the kool-aide.

As far as the e-meter goes -

I would smash them and then toss those e-meters in the city dump.

They are nothing but a waste of plastic.

Everything L Ron Hubbard did was a fraud and a scam.

All of his writings need to be destroyed for eternity.

Thank you for the freedom to speak freely. You can't do that in Scientology.

 

[TomKat]

I remember sitting in New York George's on Fountain in 1983 saying to someone, "why is everything based on lying? There is no research being done at the LA Org which has a sign saying 'Dianetics Research Foundation.' Why are we expected to lie to friends and family to explain our activities and lie to the public to present the best image for Scientology?" Not surprising to learn we were all being lied to as well.

 

[DagwoodGum]

Check this out this background information on how electronic health devices similar to the emeter were developed back in the 40's and earlier, just before Hubbard's "innovation" or just another stolen idea.

 

[revolucion1]

Hi Everyone,

It has been a while since I have posted to the forum but the question of putting my hands on an e-meter, preferably cheaper than the several hundred dollars asked online, is something I would like to ask once more?

@DagwoodGum , @Terril park ?

 

[phenomanon]

It's amazing how much the mark 7 meter's price has fallen - before the mark 8 was released, they commanded a grand - now they are under $400 - the one above has a starting bid of $50, $150 buy it now. Sheesh.

Mimsey

Hi Everyone,

It has been a while since I have posted to the forum but the question of putting my hands on an e-meter, preferably cheaper than the several hundred dollars asked online, is something I would like to ask once more?

@DagwoodGum , @Terril park

I think I paid $250.00 for my Mark 7 Quantum in the 90's . The cans ( electrodes) are interesting. I like them better than the Meter.
I liked the Mark 5 best of all, and the Mark V1 was a 'workhorse'. I never counted how many PCs went ( or attested) to Clear on that meter.

I think the emeter is a via.

 

[Dulloldfart]

I think I paid $250.00 for my Mark 7 Quantum in the 90's . The cans ( electrodes) are interesting. I like them better than the Meter.
I liked the Mark 5 best of all, and the Mark V1 was a 'workhorse'. I never counted how many PCs went ( or attested) to Clear on that meter.
I think the emeter is a via.

Yes, a via. But for a newbie it definitely has a wow-factor. It takes a while to realise one is better off not to use one.

Paul

 

[revolucion1]

@Dulloldfart ...anything left over in your collection?

 

[Gib]

@Dulloldfart ...anything left over in your collection?

here is the very first emeter. do your due diligence, it's all hogwash:

https://www.mddionline.com/7-mathison-electropsychometer

That's the emeter used by Hubbard in his very first lectures of a emeter and the lecture I referenced earlier.

It's a quack machine.

 

[Dulloldfart]

@Dulloldfart ...anything left over in your collection?

Meters? I still have a C-Meter from Ralph Hilton, circa 2006. I haven't fired it up for a few years, probably the last time was when I made those underwater metering videos (see https://www.youtube.com/user/esmbdof/videos) 9 years ago.

And I have a Thetameter Nano, which has the big advantage over the C-meter that it plugs into a USB port rather than a serial port. But it has a crappy display, unless they changed it. But I haven't used that in years either.

Paul