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Los Angeles Freezone Convention Oct 2009

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
You know, Mystic, I went to an FZ convention a few years ago. Not all the speeches and exhibits were about Scn. So let's not stereotype them.

In any event, people have a right to discuss their interests.
 

Mystic

Crusader
You know, Mystic, I went to an FZ convention a few years ago. Not all the speeches and exhibits were about Scn. So let's not stereotype them.

In any event, people have a right to discuss their interests.

Not only "rights" but lefts, wrongs, self destruction, disconnected from patterns of reality, and very incomplete soul evolution.
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
But you don't even know what the speeches/exhibits are. No, you're too busy typecasting and generalizing. I really would expect more from you.
 

Blue Spirit

Silver Meritorious Patron
REFUND

Freezone Convention? Will Elron ElRay show up? How about CBR, will he manifest? Will the sky be filled with Galactic Patrol ships? Will the OafTee 44s reveal they can sit in a rocking chair and make it rock?

Well none of that happened after fully expecting it !

I want a full refund. :lol:
 

dianaclass8

Silver Meritorious Patron
Freezone Convention? Will Elron ElRay show up? How about CBR, will he manifest? Will the sky be filled with Galactic Patrol ships? Will the OafTee 44s reveal they can sit in a rocking chair and make it rock?

Inquiring minds wanna know...LOL!!!!:drama: :drama:
 

dianaclass8

Silver Meritorious Patron
You know, Mystic, I went to an FZ convention a few years ago. Not all the speeches and exhibits were about Scn. So let's not stereotype them.

In any event, people have a right to discuss their interests.

Hi Claire:

We sure missed you at the convention!

I wish you had come!!!

Infinite ARC,

Diana
 

Fancy

Patron Meritorious
My problem is the cost of rent and why I put up with it and always have done so and they know that fact. They have not raised my rent since they took over. The other person used to raise my rent higher than others till I complained and not one raise since but new people do pay more.

My heat went out again today. So I guess I will have to fill out an application for an apartment I was not jumping for joy over bu I did see them and I like the apt itself just don't like the cemetary that is accross the street.

Barb

It's illegal for landlords not to do proper maintenance- heat definitely would be paramount. Do check out the landlord tenant act for the state in which you live (would be in state statutes) and contact a tenant's rights organization.
 

Fancy

Patron Meritorious
This is the basis of the movie called the Secret which I like very much. I was painting for lessons but now slowly starting to paint what I want.

Yes, I have a problem getting what I want and I am not going to post the details of why as I have learned not to.

I have an option for two places and I need to fill out an application for them and I think I will do so.

I have something else on my mind that I am going to try to handle which caused my exit from the church. I am also going to fix up this place so when I leave I will leave it in a decent shape even if it will need work.

Anita says the same as you and had me sign up for a reminder each day to change how I think. I do agree though on your statements.

Actually I started to fell a bit better lately and yes I let people run me because of money.

I don't know where to get the book but I know ARC helps.

I also have friends that have been a great help to me and I seem to get more in the freezone now. I think things may be slowly going the other way now for me. I need to at least make one change of where I live but that is what I have to do on my own. No one can do it but me. Talking is not helping about doing it but thinking in a better way will. I know I will find the place when I see it but have not seen it yet.

For now I will return this thread to the FZ convention.

Barb,

To be polite, yet blunt, I think you are just a trifle undereducated in the art of "getting what you need and want."

My wife and I do property management in California, so I can't say specifically what the laws in your state are.

As Claire said, there are laws governing landlords...

Try getting on the net and reading up on your state's rental housing laws. Read your local paper's "action line" - where consumer complaints are resolved. Get to know the author - by reading the column. Once you have a feel for the action line person, write him or her and state your problems and ask for help.

On a metaphysical level, get a vision of where you would like to live. Write it out on paper. Be realistic, but stretch the envelope a little. Perhaps there is a job where you could be a caretaker for an older person, where you are really just there to be a friend and do an occasional errand. There are snowbirds that go to Florida every winter and take a companion with them.

Money is not always what gets you something. A friendly smile sometimes makes a better impression.

There was a song that Mama Cass sang, "You've gotta have a dream, if you don't have a dream, how you gonna make that dream come true?"

The secret is that the physical universe is a manifest record of what you've thought yourself into. If you don't envision your future, you get bupkis. Take the bull by the horns, and start envisioning a better life. Put some goals out there that you really want, and work toward them.

There was a tiny little teeny weenie booklet by Ruth Minshull and Ed Lefson about getting what you want. I don't know the title, but you could probably ask around and find a copy.

If you can just identify two or three major purposes in your life (such as love, beauty, knowledge), and then tailor some goals for yourself to enhance yourself, your family, the world -- then work on those articulated goals, things will begin to fall in place. This is just a law of nature. It really works this way.

Do not envision non survival goals. Think in terms of win win, it enhances your karma. If you can't help thinking non survival thoughts, get someone comfortable to get you to look at each thought and find how each thought solves a problem, you can go earlier with the process by finding earlier similar solutions and the problems that they solved. Eventually you'll find something that makes you laugh. Do this, if necessary, with someone, not by yourself. You don't need an e meter. You just need a kind ear.

There are many things that you can do to raise your personal power, and thus influence your destiny and your ability to do and to have.

If you can find someone to sit with and just look at them (the being, not the body) and vice versa. No "flunks" just enjoying each other's space. You will find your beingness expands, and you can more effortlessly get what you truly want. Each of you can up the gradient by asking "what happened?" when something comes between you as you're doing this.

When my daughter was in college, she was in a production of "Rent." Before each show, she would grab a fellow cast member and just be present with them for ten or fifteen minutes. They would both invariably be better performers because of that quick little action.

Excuse me for not minding my own business.
 

Challenge

Silver Meritorious Patron
Barb,

To be polite, yet blunt, I think you are just a trifle undereducated in the art of "getting what you need and want."

My wife and I do property management in California, so I can't say specifically what the laws in your state are.

As Claire said, there are laws governing landlords...

Try getting on the net and reading up on your state's rental housing laws. Read your local paper's "action line" - where consumer complaints are resolved. Get to know the author - by reading the column. Once you have a feel for the action line person, write him or her and state your problems and ask for help.

On a metaphysical level, get a vision of where you would like to live. Write it out on paper. Be realistic, but stretch the envelope a little. Perhaps there is a job where you could be a caretaker for an older person, where you are really just there to be a friend and do an occasional errand. There are snowbirds that go to Florida every winter and take a companion with them.

Money is not always what gets you something. A friendly smile sometimes makes a better impression.

There was a song that Mama Cass sang, "You've gotta have a dream, if you don't have a dream, how you gonna make that dream come true?"

The secret is that the physical universe is a manifest record of what you've thought yourself into. If you don't envision your future, you get bupkis. Take the bull by the horns, and start envisioning a better life. Put some goals out there that you really want, and work toward them.

There was a tiny little teeny weenie booklet by Ruth Minshull and Ed Lefson about getting what you want. I don't know the title, but you could probably ask around and find a copy.

If you can just identify two or three major purposes in your life (such as love, beauty, knowledge), and then tailor some goals for yourself to enhance yourself, your family, the world -- then work on those articulated goals, things will begin to fall in place. This is just a law of nature. It really works this way.

Do not envision non survival goals. Think in terms of win win, it enhances your karma. If you can't help thinking non survival thoughts, get someone comfortable to get you to look at each thought and find how each thought solves a problem, you can go earlier with the process by finding earlier similar solutions and the problems that they solved. Eventually you'll find something that makes you laugh. Do this, if necessary, with someone, not by yourself. You don't need an e meter. You just need a kind ear.

There are many things that you can do to raise your personal power, and thus influence your destiny and your ability to do and to have.

If you can find someone to sit with and just look at them (the being, not the body) and vice versa. No "flunks" just enjoying each other's space. You will find your beingness expands, and you can more effortlessly get what you truly want. Each of you can up the gradient by asking "what happened?" when something comes between you as you're doing this.

When my daughter was in college, she was in a production of "Rent." Before each show, she would grab a fellow cast member and just be present with them for ten or fifteen minutes. They would both invariably be better performers because of that quick little action.

Excuse me for not minding my own business.

This is really good advice. I was thinking of asking Fancy what Fancy is doing to improve Fancy's condition. Like..going to school? Learn how to do something that Fancy can exchange for better conditions?
I actually have 2 houses vacant at the same time. Ouch. I am turning them over to a Management company this week so that I can get back to leaning on a wall.

Chlng
 

Fancy

Patron Meritorious
I am teaching myself to be a very good artist. So that is what Fancy is doing. My recent painting was given a high compliment by a pro artist who is published by North Light art books.

I did the school thing a few times. School is often over rated but I sometimes consider going to be a proffessional fine artist.

I should not post my issues and I am not going to for it is up to me to handle them.

Fancy should not talk too much. Fancy has a big mouth at times.

Take care.
 
I actually have 2 houses vacant at the same time. Ouch. I am turning them over to a Management company this week so that I can get back to leaning on a wall.

Chlng


We do property management on apartments and on houses (separate management companies) in Northern California.

We have a beautiful condo in Sacramento that used to rent for over $2K , now renting for $1100.

We just rented an apartment, in a sub standard building in Cupertino, with a move in bonus of a 50 inch plasma TV (bought it at Costco tonight), a $500. security deposit, and $200 a month off the rent.

When people are underemployed, and moving away from the area, a surplus of housing translates into lower rents and more vacancies.

That is when you need an aggressive property manager. One, who will do what has to be done, rather than do the old normal routine cookie cutter rote actions.

There is a saying in Hollywood (not the city, but the mindset), "You do what you gotta do, to do what you gotta do."

We try to charge rents just a little below market level. The philosophy being: it is better to have 100% occupancy at 95% market value cash flow, than 90% occupancy at full market. If, for instance, you decrease a rent from $1100 to $1000 and you keep a property full, it is better than missing the full $1100 for two or three months. It takes a long time (read this as NEVER) to make up rent that couldn't be collected because nobody moved in.

Cash flow, in the eyes of lenders, and in the eyes of owners, is king.
 

Voltaire's Child

Fool on the Hill
Agreed, CO. I've always charged a bit below market rate for my rental house and I also check references. If I'm in the area, I drive by just to see how it looks- if there's anything needing pruning. I let the tenant decide how he or she wants the lawn to look. Right now, we have someone in there who loves to garden so it all looks quite nice. She doesn't prune/lop/trim large bushes or trees, though, and so we hire an arborist for that.

I have a friend who was getting screwed over by a landlord, and she also had a paralegal background. She made it her business to get familiar with the landlord tenant act for our state (WA) and was able to stand up for herself. Acts and statutes like that govern maintenance, what they can ding the tenant for, what they CAN'T, how much rent increases can be and so on. Good idea to be familiar with that stuff. Even landlords who aren't actively trying to screw anyone over can make mistakes and if the tenant knows her rights she can ensure that this does not happen.

Also, with the foreclosure situation that is currently extant, since so many houses and apartments rented are mortgaged properties, there are more tenant oriented laws. So there are changes to these state statutes. Both WA and OR had recent ones and CA had some a couple years ago. It's good to have this information.
 
Agreed, CO. I've always charged a bit below market rate for my rental house and I also check references. If I'm in the area, I drive by just to see how it looks- if there's anything needing pruning. I let the tenant decide how he or she wants the lawn to look. Right now, we have someone in there who loves to garden so it all looks quite nice. She doesn't prune/lop/trim large bushes or trees, though, and so we hire an arborist for that.

I have a friend who was getting screwed over by a landlord, and she also had a paralegal background. She made it her business to get familiar with the landlord tenant act for our state (WA) and was able to stand up for herself. Acts and statutes like that govern maintenance, what they can ding the tenant for, what they CAN'T, how much rent increases can be and so on. Good idea to be familiar with that stuff. Even landlords who aren't actively trying to screw anyone over can make mistakes and if the tenant knows her rights she can ensure that this does not happen.

Also, with the foreclosure situation that is currently extant, since so many houses and apartments rented are mortgaged properties, there are more tenant oriented laws. So there are changes to these state statutes. Both WA and OR had recent ones and CA had some a couple years ago. It's good to have this information.


he other thing that we do as property managers is answer the phone. So many companies are willing to do phone calls once a day or less. People looking for housing, often , want it NOW. If you're the first to show them something in their price range (which you find by getting in GOOD two way comm with them), they may just rent from you on the spot.

We, of course, do credit checks ( especially eviction) on everyone before we offer a place to them.

Furthermore, there is a lot of paperwork to be signed, by tenants, to be in compliance with California and some federal laws - about 45 minutes of explanations and signing.

Choose a property manager who stays up on laws, who is responsive to tenants, as well as owners - a happy tenant doesn't sue you. A good tenant is pre-qualified by the property manager.
 

Challenge

Silver Meritorious Patron
he other thing that we do as property managers is answer the phone. So many companies are willing to do phone calls once a day or less. People looking for housing, often , want it NOW. If you're the first to show them something in their price range (which you find by getting in GOOD two way comm with them), they may just rent from you on the spot.

We, of course, do credit checks ( especially eviction) on everyone before we offer a place to them.

Furthermore, there is a lot of paperwork to be signed, by tenants, to be in compliance with California and some federal laws - about 45 minutes of explanations and signing.

Choose a property manager who stays up on laws, who is responsive to tenants, as well as owners - a happy tenant doesn't sue you. A good tenant is pre-qualified by the property manager.


Thanks for your good advice. We are competitively priced, Everyone that I have shown the home wants to move in. We have a different problem.
We don't want smokers. We don't want pets. We really would rather not have children. In short. if these renters aren't US, we have been turning them away.
That's why I have finally convinced Spouse that we should hire a Management company.
I belong to the Landlords' Protection Agency. They have all info on Landlord/Tenant Law, and a Library of forms & stuff you can download.

Chlng
 
We really would rather not have children. In short. if these renters aren't US, we have been turning them away.
That's why I have finally convinced Spouse that we should hire a Management company.
I belong to the Landlords' Protection Agency. They have all info on Landlord/Tenant Law, and a Library of forms & stuff you can download.

Chlng

A word to the wise. It is a violation of federal law to discriminate because of children. Even if this is going to be true for you,as a desire, do not mention it. You could be in big trouble.
 
FWIW

the convention was unlike Co$ events. It was aiming at people networking, making and renewing friends. It wasn't selling anything. No one was reged. People talked about whatever they wanted to talk about. There was plenty to talk about that had nothing to do with scientology tech or admin
 

Blue Spirit

Silver Meritorious Patron
DM Didn't Show Up

the convention was unlike Co$ events. It was aiming at people networking, making and renewing friends. It wasn't selling anything. No one was reged. People talked about whatever they wanted to talk about. There was plenty to talk about that had nothing to do with scientology tech or admin

DM didn't show up to make a speech either. :omg:

Rather a refreshing change to see sanity where previously only

suppressed Insanity was apparent. :thumbsup: :clap:


Ms. Diana did a good and complete job for this event.
 

dianaclass8

Silver Meritorious Patron
the convention was unlike Co$ events. It was aiming at people networking, making and renewing friends. It wasn't selling anything. No one was reged. People talked about whatever they wanted to talk about. There was plenty to talk about that had nothing to do with scientology tech or admin

Hi Carmel...

Thanks for bringing the subject of this topic back...LOL!

Yes, no one was regged and all 'otherisms' were accepted if not always agreed with...:)

We talked a lot about other subjects at the party that had nothing to do with Scn which was refreshing.

Diana
 

dexter gelfand

Patron Meritorious
'fraid not!

I read Dex's speech with the main theme of Pan Determinism in the Freezone - how everyone should drop personal gripes & opinions & observations in order to move the currently nebulous rudderless collections of independent "scientologists" into some kind of "force" in contemporary society.

What a shame that this wonderful quality of "pan determinism" is being promoted in a "black panther" spirit i.e. ignore that which is not nice to observe.

Hey Fnx, I have no problem with you stating your viewpoint, but here you appear to be putting words in my mouth, no doubt in a self-serving fashion.

My words have nothing to do with ignoring anything. Its about seeing the big picture, recognizing what is important. From what you say I'm surmising that you are more fixated on what you can attack about the Freezone and/or Scientology (big surprise, here on ESMB:eyeroll: ). Bleat and whine all you want, but allow me to speak for myself.

Best,
Dex
 
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