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Louis Farrakhan, the Nation of Islam, and Scientology

Allah is the same "person" as the judeo/christian god. The word "allah" means god and is derived from the same old semitic root as "el", the hebrew word for god. The old semitic deity "Baal" was another variation on this. Baal is an old semitic form for "Lord God".

The word "god" is of germanic origin. Neither jesus or moses worshipped "god". They worshipped El. They knew him by several "sacred names", among them the "tetragrammaton" of yahweh. Tetragrammaton refers to the four hebrew letters (y-h-w-h), used as a short "non-sacred" way of refering to the full sacred name of "El", i.e. yahweh. Jehovah is another (latinized) form of the same name.

Islam is simply an "updated & reformed" version of christianity as it recognizes the monotheistic tradition established by the jews & known to jesus but strips away the later divine status accorded to jesus in the pauline tradition. Islam recognizes jesus as one of the many prophets who have been sent as messengers of "Allah/El/God". Although Islam considers any concept of multiple divine persons, such as was mandated by the pauline tradition of the trinity, as innately blasphemous and an affront to the solitary identity of god, and thus amounting to a form of polytheism.

Mohammed is recognized in the orthodox islamic tradition, sunni, as the last of god's prophets. Shiites accept later religious authorities as also having the standing of religious prophets. Sufi's are mystics and proponents of directly developing spiritual relationships with god. They are often reviled as "apostates", "blasphemers", and "unbelievers" by the especially "orthodox" adherents of islam. Similar attitudes are present among many orthodox christians towards the many mystical/spiritual types found in the west.

Hence the "formula" of Islam is "there is no god but god, and mohammed is his prophet". It is the counterpart to christian "baptism". It is all that is required to make a person a muslim. It is deemed the "submission" to the will of allah, i.e. god.


Mark A. Baker

Umm, one is supposed to state this classic phrase of believe outloud before witnesses to convert to Islam.

Please, people!!! Let no-one here confuse the historic and world-wide Abrahamic religion (cousins to Jews and Christians) of Islam with the cult-like organization that is the homegrown American "Black Muslim" Nation of Islam (NOI), which is as much a socio-political movement as it is a "new religion".

Thank you!!! :clap:
 
I've posted it before, but, here it is from the Nation of Islam site:

http://www.thenationofislam.org/themotherplane.html

1. The Mother Plane is made of the finest steel in Asia.
2. It was made on the Island of Nippon (Japan) in 1929, and also took flight that
same year.
3. Black, Brown, Red and Yellow Scientists built the Mother Plane.
4. The Scientists did not know what they were building.
5. Her size is Half-mile by Half-mile square.
6. Her shape is oval.
7. Her speed is up to 9,000 miles per hour.
8. Her flying ability is nine thousand (9,000) miles per hour in any direction, up or
down, to or fro, in any direction without making a complete directional turn.
9. Her contents are 1,500 small circular planes, as the devil calls them, "FLYING
SAUCERS."
10. These small planes carry three (3) bombs each, they also shoot flames of fire.
11. The Black men who pilot these small planes have been taught from the age of six
that they are to do a special job.
12. These pilots can hit any spot in America, blindfolded, as the Devil will soon see.
13. The bombs that the small planes contain weigh two tons each.
14. They are designed to drill into the Earth upon contact, and drill from one (1) to
six (6) miles through stone and rock, and to explode, destroying civilization or
any living matter (or life) within a fifty (50) mile radius.
15. After these bombs explode, a poisonous gas is found to snuff out the remaining
life, if any still exists.
16. The purpose of the Mother Plane is to destroy the most wicked place ever to be
on the planet Earth at any time (America, the Great Mystery Babylon).
17. Her position is 40 miles out from the Earth's sphere.
18. She holds this position from 6 to 12 months at a time. When this time is up, the
Mother Plane comes into the atmosphere to take in fresh air for our Brothers
inside, then she retakes her position.
19. At the dropping of the bombs, the flames will reach twelve (12) miles, in all
directions.
20. When the destruction comes, America will burn 390 years and take 610 years to
cool off. The Great Mystery Babylon (America) will perish in the flames of fire.
Allah will even cause the air which we breathe to ignite along with the
atmosphere. Every atom will burn in and over America from a height of twelve
(12) miles down.

The country of America will be littered with leaflets from the sky, with readings like this; "You have from eight (8) to ten (10) days to return unto your own. The time of this world is at hand." The leaflets will be written in both English and Arabic, so God (Allah) taught me. After the warning from the sky will follow total destruction by the intense heat of fire.

And you such people who love America, where lying, drinking, bambling, raping, lynching, burning, stealing, robbing, disrespect of person and persons, nail painting, face painting, swine eating, public nude resorts, nude colonies, nudie newspapers and magazines, nude church-goers, and profane language, will serve as fuel for the fire. For I declare by Him Who made the Sun, Moon and Stars and the Habitable Earth for His home. By Whom everything was Created and HImself not Created, from infinite eternity, All is is His name and He will destroy every Christian from the face of the Earth in the near future.

COMMENT: Again, the key words "flying roll" appear which is an adequate description for the scout ships (Circular Planes) that are aboard the Mother Ship. The ignorant will say that the second verse should be taken on face value. But this is impossible, since the measurements f this "flying roll" is given by the Prophet. . . the length thereof is twenty cubits." (Note: one (1) cubit is an ancient linear measure of about 18 inches, according to the dictionary). Since one (1) cubit is 13 inches, twenty (20) cubits equal 360 inches, or thirty (30) feet, which is the length of this "Flying Roll." ". . . and the breadth thereof is ten (10) cubits;" ends the second verse. Ten cubits equal 180 inches (15) feet which is the width of this "flying roll."

Hence, there is Zachariah, Chapter 5:1-2, we are told of a "Flying Roll" which is THIRTY FEET long and FIFTEEN FEET wide. This is a near perfect description of one of Allah's Circular Planes.

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Zinj

OY VEY!!!

I think these two cult-like organizations deserve each other...we may be seeing karmic justice at work for both sets of leaders and their loyal lieutenants...:spacecraft:
 

HelluvaHoax!

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So theta and on purpose! :thumbsup:

LOL---Yeah, ain't it da truth!

Ya know....that made me think for some reason about the Hubbard "datum":

WHAT YOU RESIST, YOU BECOME​

I actually always assumed that was true...but haven't thought about it for many years! Today I thought about it...

When I was in Scientology I resisted the insane so naturally...

I left Scientology.

Whereupon, I promptly became sane.

Hmmm, that's funny--Ron says I should have become insane. I guess what I did would be Non-Compliance with Command Intention, wouldn't it? Cool!

So, I guess that's another one of those "self-evident-truths" that goes in the bonfire that consumed my books, tapes and e-meters.

YayyyyYYYYYyyyyyYYYYYyyyyyYYYyyyy!!!!!
 

Lynn Fountain Campbell

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PREDICTION: When either of the two para-military "aliens are wrecking my life" cults realizes that this "merger" ain't gonna work, they will quietly back off of their very public marriage announcements....

I notice on the "Source" magazine that just came in the mail that Flag is no longer the "Mecca of technical perfection." Now it's the "pinnacle of technical perfection."

Could it be falling apart already?

Lynn
 

HelluvaHoax!

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I notice on the "Source" magazine that just came in the mail that Flag is no longer the "Mecca of technical perfection." Now it's the "pinnacle of technical perfection."

Could it be falling apart already?

Lynn

CoS might wanna start praying--I mean postulating--right about now that they didn't offend those nice young kids in the masks and can get them back.
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Cuz if they offended those other masked protesters (with natter about Mecca & Mohammed) they might have some...ummmm, enturbulation.
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Stat

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Yeah, things can twist funny like that.
One minute you drinking a vanilla shake or something
and next thing you know shit is not pretty at all.
Like totally fucked up beyond belief.

Life can be funny like that. I know.
 
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lionheart

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<snip of an excellent post>

Hence the "formula" of Islam is "there is no god but god, and mohammed is his prophet". It is the counterpart to christian "baptism". It is all that is required to make a person a muslim. It is deemed the "submission" to the will of allah, i.e. god.


Mark A. Baker

This is the fundamental reason why NOI and COS will clash. Of course NOI is an off-shoot of mainstream Islam, but nevertheless at some point when Scn tries to make NOI members follow LRH command intention rather than Allah's intention, there is going to be a problem. While Farrakhan tells them to follow LRH intention then they will. But when Farrakhan is given an ethics handling himself ......! :omg:

This is essentially what Munir Muhammad is saying in his videos - that Farrakhan has gone "off-source". As far as I know this schism happened way before Scn entered into the equation. Apparently there are many ex-members of NOI, like Munir, who disagree with Farrakhan. Sort of reminds me of the LRH-following ex-COS members like Rathbun arguing over DM going off-source.

But the fundamental incompatability of the two cults is this dichotomy of LRH intention vs Allah intention.

I notice on the "Source" magazine that just came in the mail that Flag is no longer the "Mecca of technical perfection." Now it's the "pinnacle of technical perfection."

Could it be falling apart already?

Lynn

"Pinnacle" is a much more acceptable word for the followers of Islam. It conjours up images of a mountain and Abraham going up to receive the word of God.

The CofS will only be able to adapt its terminology so far. But once the NOI followers know LRH's view of "niggers", Islam, Jesus and Mohammed old Davey is in for a rough ride with his new "buddies"! :omg:

"You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself a nigger; that's what they're born for." LRH
 
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"There is no God but God and Mohammed is his prophet."

"You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself a nigger; that's what they're born for." LRH



The difference between Scientology and NOI senior policy is very slight.

ISLAM "There is no God but God and Mohammed is his prophet."
SCN: "There is no God but God and Mo-money is his profit.

As far as that ancient LRH quote, it was canceled and replaced with more updated floor-scrubbing technology...

(Outdated Tech):"You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself a nigger; that's what they're born for."

(Breakthrough Tech): "You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself a SeaOrgigger; that's what they're born for."​
 

lionheart

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LOL---Yeah, ain't it da truth!

Ya know....that made me think for some reason about the Hubbard "datum":

WHAT YOU RESIST, YOU BECOME​

I actually always assumed that was true...but haven't thought about it for many years! Today I thought about it...

When I was in Scientology I resisted the insane so naturally...

I left Scientology.

Whereupon, I promptly became sane.

Hmmm, that's funny--Ron says I should have become insane. I guess what I did would be Non-Compliance with Command Intention, wouldn't it? Cool!

So, I guess that's another one of those "self-evident-truths" that goes in the bonfire that consumed my books, tapes and e-meters.

YayyyyYYYYYyyyyyYYYYYyyyyyYYYyyyy!!!!!

This is very interesting and in my opinion is one of the major errors in LRH's technology.

The "what you resist, you become" datum is based upon LRH's "discovery" of GPMs. Some people like Alan Waters believed this was the point at which LRH and his "tech" went off the rails.

Hubbard's theory is that when one resisted (opposed) something this caused problems and mass. If the "opponent" "won", then one's resistence turned to overwhelm and succomb (due to the mass accumulated) and one became the previously "opposed" valence/identity.

This is encaspulated in the datum "what you resist, you become". But it contains several assumptions, one, that by resisting one "loses" and another that having lost one becomes the winning valence.

That is only one possible outcome of resisting. One might "win". One, having lost might not become the winning identity but just do something else or oppose something else, instead. The original GPM theory allowed for these outcomes, but nevertheless the A=A of resistence=becoming survived as the "winning" idea.

Hubbard's GPM running on Briefing Course students largely failed and several people over the years left and tried to "correct" Hubbard's "mistakes", Including Dennis Stevens, Irene Mumford and Alan Waters.

Hubbard's "solution" to the problem of GPMs not running (he definitely wasn't a Grade II Release!) was to decide for people what their GPMs were and what their terminals and Opposing terminals were! (Code break - Hubbard wasn't a good auditor).

And off he went into R6 and his implantology tech, fulfilling his own theory and becoming the implanter that he had resisted! :duh:

Scientology has poor releasing tech for resistence and therefore will become at war with NOI at some point.

Well, more precisely, encapsulated in some of the Grades tech is some good releasing tech, but it is hopelessly over-complicated. Nevertheless if the auditing is done well, some people do achieve wonderful releases from resistence. This win being one of the baits that keeps the "slaves" hooked on scn.

Ron glimpsed the power of releasing resistence or his tech advisers at the time like McMaster, Alan Waters, Reg Sharpe, etc. guided his thinking and "research" in that direction. You can hear his insights into releasing in some of the briefing course tapes.

But Ron, himself was very poor at releasing and his must-be-at-cause personaility won and releasing was largely lost in scn, except in some of the Grades tech.

His admin, ethics, justice, covert ops tech is all about resisting, not releasing, all about control not freedom.

So on balance scientology has very poor ability to release resistence. This is the poisened chalace that Miscavige inherited and therefore he is doomed.

Scientology will inevitably resist the NOI point of view fundamentally, even if it pays lip service to it. The NOI point of view will inevitably resist the Scn point of view, even if at first it demurs to aspects of it.

Scientology can't handle resistence well, for the reasons above and will "fight". I suspect the NOI may be better able to release as they can fall back into surrendereing their will to Allah, which is a workable releasing tech.

I suspect the NOI will cherry pick aspects of Scn that they want to use and abandon the rest. They will adapt and squirrel, causing the CofS to fight even more frantically.

LRH's resistence tech is multi-layered, as is most of his "tech". The public layer is "what you resist, you become" - which is a great slave-making tech, as intended by LRH. Obey! Resistence is futile!

The more hidden, more secret tech on resistence is resist and resist and resist. Never give up! This is an echo of poor Ron's dreadful personality that he implimented through the command structure of Scn (GO/OSA, CMO and LRH Comm Network, etc.)

So the cult is lumbered with unworkable releasing tech on resistence which is to continue resisting forever! :omg:

This will bring them into a war with NOI and maybe even Islam as a whole. :omg:

PS for better tech on releasing and resistence, see Eckhart Tole or Lester Levinson. :)
 

lionheart

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The difference between Scientology and NOI senior policy is very slight.

ISLAM "There is no God but God and Mohammed is his prophet."
SCN: "There is no God but God and Mo-money is his profit.

As far as that ancient LRH quote, it was canceled and replaced with more updated floor-scrubbing technology...

(Outdated Tech):"You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself a nigger; that's what they're born for."

(Breakthrough Tech): "You shouldn't be scrubbing the floor on your hands and knees. Get yourself a SeaOrgigger; that's what they're born for."​

:D

His "ancient" quotes are nevertheless the key to understanding his personality. When he became a cult leader, he masked this personality with a PR personna to fool his slaves.

The Scn "Ron", as projected, was false. Those who worked closely with him saw his true personality.

Even if his personality improved somewhat with Scn (which I personally doubt as he displayed only rarely any Grade release phenomena) nevertheless anyone who believed "niggers" were born to scrub floors or that men were his slaves is not a personality to put one's trust in! :eyeroll:

You are right, he extended his contempt for afro-americans to all races in the sea org.
 
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Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Wasn't their Muslim-Tech on how to "make love" to your child bride ?

Yahoo Answers has

Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, The Supreme Leader of Iran, the Shia Grand Ayatollah, 1979-89 said in his official statements:

"A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven."

Khomeini, "Tahrirolvasyleh" fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990

“It is not illegal for an adult male to 'thigh' or enjoy a young girl who is still in the age of weaning; meaning to place his penis between her thighs, and to kiss her.”

Ayatu Allah Al Khumaini's "Tahrir Al wasila" p. 241, issue number 12

"Young boys or girls in full sexual effervescence are kept from getting married before they reach the legal age of majority. This is against the intention of divine laws. Why should the marriage of pubescent girls and boys be forbidden because they are still minors, when they are allowed to listen to the radio and to sexually arousing music?"

"The Little Green Book" "Sayings of the Ayatollah Khomeini", Bantam Books
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Farrakhan and Iranian Prez Ahmadinejad have a meeting in NYC during Ahmadinejad's UN visit. New Black Panther Party members were also present. No details of what was discussed.

Maybe Farrakhan talked to him about Dianetics, and we'll see an announcement that Iran is abandoning Islam for Scientology.

Or maybe Farrakhan is arranging for a convenient place for DM to flee when things fall apart for him here?
 

Lee_from_phx

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The cult is so desperate that they've taken to preying on calypso Louie's rag-tag band of race baiters and misanthropes. I didn't see that one coming.

This might be a good thing. There is a finite limit to the quantity of crazy a group can have before it destroys itself. By adding clam crazy to the existing crazy in that group, Scientology might actually be doing the world a service by setting them up to implode.

Then again Farrakhan might get wise to this before that happens. Trying to con a con isn't easy after all.
 

Stat

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Div 6 folks in my Org are having the time of their life.
Their stats are in Affluence in the last 2-3 weeks thanks to NOI people.
Dianetics is a tool. Let's see how long that will last. What a twist.
DM is sure inventive.
 

Enthetan

Master of Disaster
Div 6 folks in my Org are having the time of their life.
Their stats are in Affluence in the last 2-3 weeks thanks to NOI people.
Dianetics is a tool. Let's see how long that will last. What a twist.
DM is sure inventive.

Do the NOI people have the cash to buy major services? Are they joining staff? Are they reacting well when the EO assigns them conditions?

Please let us know how this is playing out as time goes by...
 
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