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Louis Theroux' Scientology documentary to premiere

Discussion in 'Movies, Plays, and Documentaries about Scientology' started by Smurf, Sep 1, 2015.

  1. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    totally disagree.


    Everybody turn off your computers, drop your pens if you are writing a book, go home and put your head in the sand. Yep, that includes you Jesse Prince, DM's dad, Lean's book - just cancel it now. Trouble & Sheila that includes you as well. Tony O, shut down the presses. Going Clear, Gibney revoke the movie, roll back the presses, ESMB roll back all the posts and cancel the site.

    Turn off the lights. No more communication.

    Hey, I've said several times on this message board scientology is actually "much ado about nothing", hmmm, nothing, that reminds me of the static, no time, place, form or event. LOL But hubbard sure as hell made something of nothing, and that is dangerous. Thank god for whistleblowers and critical thinkers, ex's.
  2. Terril park

    Terril park Sponsor

    So look forward to that. :)

    Would even those idiots dare?

    He said he liked being audited....
  3. JustSheila

    JustSheila Crusader

    Gib, I think everyone should keep speaking out. Now more than ever! I also think you're entitled to your opinion and absolutely love you, even when we disagree.

    I just don't think everyone is going to completely 'get' us. That's true in life, anyway. That doesn't bother me, as long as they understand that the cult of Scientology is completely dangerous, evil and revolting and it keeps them, their family and friends OUT.
  4. Veda

    Veda Sponsor


    Scientology, for decades, had been in a propaganda "war." This is also a "war" of lawsuits, spying, infiltration, front groups, hired or duped scholars and apologists, blackmail, and bribery.

    Scientology wants to be identified as a "religion" and as a "faith" to the "wogs."

    Scientology would love it if people thought the main problem with Scientology was that's it's a "religion," a "faith," and a "belief."

    Theroux' movie is fine as it is. It presents information and is also entertaining.

    It's probably not fair to expect him to understand Scientology's decades long efforts to shift public opinion on the above mentioned points.

    However, at least others, including some of us, can understand it.
  5. HelluvaHoax!

    HelluvaHoax! Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on

    I see what you are saying (of course) but there might be another way of thinking about it.

    There is a war involving Scientology. Scientology started it in the 1950s and 1960s when Hubbard declared war vs homo sapiens (wogs), psychs, investigative journalists, whistleblowers, critics and ex-scientologists. In fact, those were just a few of Scientology's "declared enemies". The complete list is actually humiliatingly long and paranoid beyond belief (e.g. the "twelve world bankers", the "Fifth Invader Force", "Xenu" who is imprisoned in a mountain for eternity, et al).

    Wars are fought in many theaters and with a wide spectrum of tactics and diverse military resources. World War II, for example, was a war that could have very easily been lost to Nazi Germany. However, ever conceivable effort was thrown against Hitler whether small or large--or even speculative. This can very favorably (and analogously) used in the war vs Scientology.

    Consider this. The Allies used so many different ways of vanquishing or reducing the strength and resources of the Nazis:

    • AIR FORCE (Bombing, reconnaissance...)
    • ARMY (pitched land battles, tank warfare, artillery bombardments...)
    • MARINES (offensive assaults, Normandy Invasion...)
    • NAVY (Sea warfare, launching platform for bombers...)
    • ALLIANCES (USA, Britain, USSR, Australia, Canada...)
    • INTELLIGENCE NETWORKS (Espionage, sabotage...)
    • PROPAGANDA & DISINFORMATION (Undermining Axis efforts and will to fight)
    • ADVANCED WEAPONS DEVELOPMENT (see Hiroshima, Nagasaki...)

    Likewise, in the war Scientology is currently waging against honest people, there are countless "weapons" and "resources" (a few examples below):

    • BOOKS: Ortega's "Unbreakable Miss Lovely", Going Clear", "Blown For Good", "Messiah or Madman", "A Piece of Blue Sky", "The Scandal of Scientology", "Barefaced Messiah", "Inside Scientology", "Beyond Belief", "Counterfeit Dreams", et al.
    • DOCUMENTARIES:, Gibney's "Going Clear", Theroux's "My Scn Movie", et al.
    • WEBSITES: "Underground Bunker", "ESMB", "Something Can Be Done About It", "Operation Clambake", "Why We Protest", et al.
    • CIVIL LITIGATION: Dozens of lawsuits vs Narconnon, Monique Rathbun vs. RTC, COS, Miscavige, Ray Jeffries' successful suits, Wallersheim, Armstrong, et al.
    • ACTIVISTS, PROTESTERS & BLOGGERS: Anonymous, Tory Christman, Marty Rathbun, Karen De la Carriere/Jeff Augustine...
    • HONEST & HONORABLE CELEBRITIES: Jason Beghe, Leah Remini, Paul Haggis, Nicole Kidman, Katie Holmes, Lisa Marie Presley, et al.
    • SATIRISTS & COMEDIANS: Saturday Night Live's "Church of Neurotology", Steven Colbert's multiple lampoonings, Jim Carrey jokes, Bill Maher ("Religiosity" movie), Kathy Griffin (multiple stand up comedy routines), et al.

    See where is this going?

    All of these wonderful efforts collaboratively & collectively help to bring down the monstrosity known as Scientology.

    Water, lapping against the immovable granite rocks. And very, very slowly and gradually eroding it.

    Wave by wave.

    Every single wave, large or small, counts. . .

    Last edited: Oct 19, 2015
  6. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    Totally agree.

    as Chuck Beatty has said, in hubbards final words to Sarge, I (hubbard) failed, and I'm not returning.

    If only the true true believers still in knew that.

    DM sure as hell knows that.

    And I'll say it again, no clears or Ot's. And that is what is missing from the documentaries, for scientology is about producing a clear or ot.

    If somebody really knew about scientology, and looked at the grade chart, and followed the life of a person who had done all the levels, and then really looked, they would see nobody achieved clear or ot, and that would be a good documentary. For the truth.
    Last edited: Oct 19, 2015
  7. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation


    Settle down Gib ... I said "after a certain point" and in this instance I was talking purely in regard to this movie.

    Criticising Louis Theroux himself and saying he was "out of his depth with scientology" is laughable, he wasn't trying to become a scientologist (and I doubt he carries a demo kit or a tehk dictionary) he was just making a friggin movie and it sounds as we're lucky he didn't speak to some of us because he may have decided we're all as mad as a bag of frogs and whacked that into the script too.
  8. degraded being

    degraded being Sponsor


    It's all quite simple, really.

    Scientology is so fail, that when a person tried to find something good to say about them, so he could be nice about them, because he failed to see that scientology was so fucked up, even though it's been all over the media, and he is a media person, and he likes to be nice, as he creates ridicule of his subjects, which I don't disapprove of in some cases, especially with scientology, that he was unable to do so, because scientology footbulleted itself, which was rather opportune really, because for one thing, if Louie had succeeded in making a kindly slanted movie about scientology he could have gotten egg on his face, especially since Going Clear had came out, I assume when Louie was well underway with his project, and last minute salvage actions had to be taken, which worked out for him in the end, probably, but he did reveal that some kind of trolley was off the tracks, so to speak, but phew!!! saved.

    Even God, who is infinitely good, has a few fuck ups to talk about, when he's ready. But I love his flowers and mountains and things. I think Louie came out better than God. Because at least his movie is damaging scientology and that outfit is downright evil, but God created ISIS etc.
  9. Soul of Ginnungagab

    Soul of Ginnungagab Patron with Honors

    Oh sorry for the way I worded it. What I meant was a reference to all those catastrophic things you mentioned which scientologists go through and yet stay with the subject for ages. That underlines how strong their faith in the subject actually is.

    Last edited: Oct 19, 2015
  10. Free to shine

    Free to shine Shiny & Free

    There are some really good reviews on this, perhaps because Louis Theroux is so respected for his unpredictable results.
  11. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Unfortunately I have the feeling that Marty will come across as a bit of a dick ... it was always on the cards and perhaps he should have done more research (on Louis Theroux and his "British approach") before he decided to contribute because he was never going to run the show even if (initially) he was allowed to imagine otherwise.

    I can't wait to see it (the movie that is ... not Marty possibly looking silly, I'll be happier if he doesn't but I'm not holding my breath).
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2015
  12. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    I never criticized Louis.

    I never said he was out of his depth.

    I never said he was trying to become a scientologist.

    I recognize he made a docu based on his understanding, I haven't seen it yet.

    Now, to say "he didn't speak to some of us because he may have decided we're all as mad as a bag of frogs and whacked that into the script too",

    I think that is a wrong conclusion on your part. You even called yourself mad as hell with that statement.

    I'd rather say we were stupid as hell.

    And yet we have big bucks players involved in the game of scientology, such as Bob Duggan, many docs, many celebrities,

    oh the rhetoric and creation of sublime abounds, scientology, as a slogan taken from Star Trek - where no man has gone before - sublime - scientology. LOL
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2015
  13. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    Emphasis mine.

    Phew ... here we go again.

    Cool, you say stupid as hell if it makes you happier ... and I didn't say that you said any of the above ... you chose to involve yourself in my posts (as you often do) then proceeded to misunderstand most of what I said (as you often do).

  14. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    LOL, you remind me of shermanspeak, doublespeak. LOl
  15. I told you I was trouble

    I told you I was trouble Suspended animation

    I've decided that (with you) if I say everything twice, you'll have half a chance of understanding.

    I've decided that (with you) if I say everything twice, you'll have half a chance of understanding.




  16. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

    That was sublime rhetoric.:clap:
  17. Gib

    Gib Crusader

  18. ThetanExterior

    ThetanExterior Gold Meritorious Patron

  19. Boomima

    Boomima Patron with Honors

    Most people don't think about Scientology being an religion or really care, in my experience. They think of South Park, Tom Cruise, and whatever the Tampa Bay Times has published about them (at least in Florida). As far as the general public is concerned, I don't see how arguing that particular point is going to turn anyone's opinions around.

    I understand why it's important here and to scholars of religion.

    Louis Theroux calling it a religion is not going to help the CoS turn opinion around.
  20. secretiveoldfag

    secretiveoldfag Silver Meritorious Patron

    What would make a difference is if the IRS said the CoS was NOT a religion.