What's new

LRH MORE IN SYNC 2

lexmark

Patron with Honors
I have been challenged by some members of this website to provide proof of the scientific investigations into spirituality and they want evidence of the scientists and their works. Firstly may I point out that this has nothing to do with Hubbard or Scientology. Whether Scientology will survive the coming years or whether they have a role to play is irrelevant to this paper. The only similarity to current scientific investigation and Hubbard’s writing is the subject of spirituality (consciousness). At this time Scientology remains a cult with their practices of disconnection and RPF etc. With the new world paradigm there is no place for these practices.

Our world has gone through several different ages such as the industrial age, the information age etc. Four to five hundred years ago or there about there was a major paradigm shift when science and religion parted company. At that time the Roman Catholic Church was dominant. From then on science continued with its discoveries which brought about what is known as Classical Materialism or Newtonian Physics. Charles Darwin added to this with his research into biology resulting in his book “Origin of The Species”.
Towards the end of the 19th century major discoveries were made by other scientists including Einstein culminating into the new science of Quantum Physics. A hand full of scientist (to be named later), were able to use quantum physics for their research into consciousness which resulted in the birth of a new science called “Monistic Idealism”. The difference between Monistic Idealism and Classical Physics is, Classical Physics states that “MATTER IS THE GROUND OF ALL BEING”, while Monistic Idealism claims that “CONSCIOUSNESS IS THE GROUND OF ALL BEING”, and which brought about a major split in science.

Over the last 5 hundred years materialism grew in strength becoming stronger and stronger. Your sciences, politics, economics, medical science and just about everything was dominated by materialism. Religion was abolished from teachings in schools around the Western World and even the word GOD was forbidden in institutions of higher learning. Today materialism still dominates and don’t get me wrong, materialism has made major discoveries and harnessed the power of physics which has benefitted the human race tremendously. But just as there was a major paradigm shift 500 years ago there is another major paradigm shift which probably will be bigger than the one so many years ago. And that paradigm shift is that “Consciousness is The Ground of All Being”.

The above is a brief outline of my studies (very brief) and what follows are the names of scientists and their publications and links where available. Therein you will see the changes that will take place over the next whatever time it takes.

Dr Fred Alan Wolf PH. D.
Dr. Quantum's Little Book Of Big Ideas: Where Science Meets Spirit by Fred Alan Wolf
The Spiritual Universe: One Physicist's Vision of Spirit, Soul, Matter, and Self
Mind into Matter: A New Alchemy of Science and Spirit by Fred Alan Wolf
Parallel Universes by Fred Alan Wolf
The Eagle's Quest: A Physicist Finds the Scientific Truth at the Heart of the Shamanic World by Fred Alan

The Dreaming Universe: A Mind-Expanding Journey Into the Realm Where Psyche and Physics Meet by Fred Alan Wolf
Cosmic Conversations: Dialogues on the Nature of the Universe and the Search for Reality by Stephan Martin,

In addition to the above there is
Dr. Amit Goswami. Professor of Physics at Oregon University
The Self-Aware Universe by Amit Goswami
God Is Not Dead: What Quantum Physics Tells Us about Our Origins and How We Should Live by Amit Goswami

The Quantum Doctor: A Physicist's Guide to Health and Healing by Amit Goswam
The Visionary Window: A Quantum Physicist's Guide to Enlightenment by Amit Goswami
Physics of the Soul: The Quantum Book of Living, Dying, Reincarnation and Immortality by Amit Goswami
Creative Evolution: A Physicist's Resolution Between Darwinism and Intelligent Design by Amit Goswami
Quantum Creativity: Waking Up to Our Creative Potential (Perspectives on Creativity) by Amit Goswami

The Physicist's View of Nature, Part 1 - From Newton to Einstein (Pt. 1) by Amit Goswami

The Physicists' View of Nature, Part 2: The Quantum Revolution (Pt. 2) by Amit Goswami

Following are papers written by Goswami and are available to read;

TOWARDS A SPIRITUAL ECONOMICS
http://www.amitgoswami.org/spiritual-economics/#more-190

SIGNATURES OF THE DEVINE
http://www.amitgoswami.org/signatures-divine/#more-175


http://www.newworldview.com/library/Helfrich_P_Emerging_NWV.html By Paul M. Helfrich, Ph.D.
 

Lisa Ann Marie

Patron with Honors
OK that proves nothing and is a lot of new age hype. Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose have been fighting for Quantum Consciousness states as being legitimate to the mind body but they are encountering fierce resistance from those who claim a brain can be explained through hormones and electricity.

Still, none of this demonstrates nor proves what the spirit is, much less the mind.
 

lexmark

Patron with Honors
OK that proves nothing and is a lot of new age hype. Stuart Hameroff and Roger Penrose have been fighting for Quantum Consciousness states as being legitimate to the mind body but they are encountering fierce resistance from those who claim a brain can be explained through hormones and electricity.

Still, none of this demonstrates nor proves what the spirit is, much less the mind.

Of course it is your choice if you wish to go with the obsolete view of materialism. However the scientists I quote are not new age thinkers even though it might appear so. Their writings are based on years of research.

From the book "Self Aware Universe"

By the way if you wish to understand all the scientific jargon I suggest you get hold of and use LRH study tech

QUANTUM PHYSICS AND THE DEMISE
OF MATERIAL REALISM

Almost a century ago, a series of experimental discoveries was made in physics that called for a change in our world view. What started showing up were, in the words of philosopher Thomas Kuhn, anomalies that could not be explained by classical physics. These anomalies opened the door to a revolution in scientific thought.
In classical physics, all motion is determined by the forces that govern it. Once we know the initial conditions (the position and velocity of an object at some initial instant of time), we can calculate its precise trajectory using Newton’s equations of motion. Thus classical physics leads to the philosophy of determinism, the idea that it is possible to predict completely the motion of all material objects.
The uncertainty principle throws a Molotov cocktail into the philosophy of determinism.

THE CORRESPONDENCE PRINCIPLE

Once one has grasped the revolutionary ideas of the new physics, it would be grossly inaccurate to think that Newtonian physics is all wrong. The old physics lives on in the realm of most (but not all) bulk matter as a special case of the new physics. An important characteristic of science is that when a new order replaces an older one, it usually extends the arena to which the order applies. In the old arena, the mathematical equations of the old science still hold (having been verified by experimental data). Thus in the domain of classical physics, the deductions of quantum mechanics for the motion of objects correspond clearly to those that are made using Newtonian mathematics, as if the bodies we were dealing with were classical. This is called the correspondence principle and was formulated by Bohr.

Quantum mechanics gives us a wider perspective, a new context that extends our perception into a new domain. We can see nature as separate forms – either waves or particles – or we can discover complementarity: the idea that waves and particles both are inherent in the same thing.


CUTTING THROUGH MATERIAL REALISM


The principles of quantum theory make it possible to discard the unwarranted assumptions of material realism.

Assumption 1: Strong objectivity. A basic assumption that the materialist makes is that there is an objective material universe out there, one that is independent of us. This assumption has some obvious operational validity, and it is often assumed to be necessary to conduct science meaningfully. Is this assumption really valid? The lesson of quantum physics is that we choose which aspect – wave or particle – a quantum object is going to reveal in a given situation. Moreover, our observation collapses the quantum wave packet to a localized particle. Subjects and objects are inextricably blended together. If subjects and objects mesh in this way, how can we uphold the assumption of strong objectivity.

Assumption 2: Causal determinism. Another assumption of the classical scientist that lends credence to material realism is that the world is fundamentally deterministic – all we have to know are the forces acting on each object and the initial conditions (the initial velocity and position of the object). The quantum uncertainty principle, however, says that we can never determine both an object’s velocity and position simultaneously with absolute accuracy. There will always be error in our knowledge of the initial conditions, and strict determinism does not prevail. The idea of causality itself is even suspect. Since the behavior of quantum objects is probabilistic, a strict cause – effect description of the behavior of a single object is impossible. Instead, we have statistical cause and statistical effect when talking about a large group of particles.

Assumption 3: Locality. The assumption of locality – that all interactions between material objects are mediated via local signals – is crucial to the materialistic view that objects exist essentially independent and separate from one another. If, however, waves spread over vast distances and then instantly collapse when we take measurements, then the influence of our measurement is not traveling locally. Thus locality is ruled out. This is another fatal blow to material realism.

Assumption 4 and 5: Materialism and epiphenomenalism. The materialist maintains that subjective mental phenomena are but epiphenomena of matter. They can be reduced to material brain stuff alone. In order to understand the behavior of quantum objects, however, we seem to need to inject consciousness – our ability to choose – according to the complementarity principle and the idea of subject – object mixing. Moreover, it seems absurd that an epiphenomenon of matter can effect matter: If consciousness is an epiphenomena , how can it collapse the spread – out wave of a quantum object to a localized particle when it takes a quantum measurement?

The correspondence principle notwithstanding, the new paradigm of physics – quantum physics – contradicts the dicta of material realism. There is no way around this conclusion. We cannot say, citing correspondence, that classical physics holds for macro objects for all practical purposes and that since we live in the macro world, we will assume that the quantum strangeness confines itself to the submicroscopic domain of nature. On the contrary, the strangeness haunts us all the way to the macro level. There are unresolvable quantum paradoxes if we divide the world into domains of classical and quantum physics.

In India, people ingeniously catch monkeys with a jar of chickpeas. The monkey reaches into the jar to grab a fistful of chickpeas. Alas, with its fist closed on the food, it can no longer remove its hand. The mouth of the jar is to small for its fist. The trap works because the monkey’s greed prohibits him from letting go of the chickpeas. The axioms of material realism – materialism, determinism, locality and so forth – served us well in the past when our knowledge was more limited than it is today, but now they have become our trap. We may have to let go of the chickpeas of certainty in order to embrace the freedom that lies outside the material arena.

If material realism is not an adequate philosophy for physics, what philosophy can deal with all the strangeness of quantum behavior? It is the philosophy of monistic idealism, which has been the basis of all religions worldwide.

Traditionally, only religions and the humanistic disciplines have given value to human life beyond physical survival – value through our love of aesthetics; our creativity in art, music and thought; and our spirituality in the intuition of unity. The sciences, locked into classical physics and its philosophical baggage of material realism, have been the pied piper of skepticism. Now the new physics is crying out for a new, liberating philosophy – one befitting our current level of knowledge. If monistic idealism fits the need, for the first time since Descartes, science, the humanities and the religions can walk arm-in-arm in search for the whole human truth.
 

Lisa Ann Marie

Patron with Honors
Of course it is your choice if you wish to go with the obsolete view of materialism. However the scientists I quote are not new age thinkers even though it might appear so. Their writings are based on years of research.

From the book "Self Aware Universe"

By the way if you wish to understand all the scientific jargon I suggest you get hold of and use LRH study tech

QUANTUM PHYSICS AND THE DEMISE
OF MATERIAL REALISM

Almost a century ago, a series of experimental discoveries was made in physics that called for a change in our world view. What started showing up were, in the words of philosopher Thomas Kuhn, anomalies that could not be explained by classical physics. These anomalies opened the door to a revolution in scientific thought.
In classical physics, all motion is determined by the forces that govern it. Once we know the initial conditions (the position and velocity of an object at some initial instant of time), we can calculate its precise trajectory using Newton’s equations of motion. Thus classical physics leads to the philosophy of determinism, the idea that it is possible to predict completely the motion of all material objects.
The uncertainty principle throws a Molotov cocktail into the philosophy of determinism.

THE CORRESPONDENCE PRINCIPLE

Once one has grasped the revolutionary ideas of the new physics, it would be grossly inaccurate to think that Newtonian physics is all wrong. The old physics lives on in the realm of most (but not all) bulk matter as a special case of the new physics. An important characteristic of science is that when a new order replaces an older one, it usually extends the arena to which the order applies. In the old arena, the mathematical equations of the old science still hold (having been verified by experimental data). Thus in the domain of classical physics, the deductions of quantum mechanics for the motion of objects correspond clearly to those that are made using Newtonian mathematics, as if the bodies we were dealing with were classical. This is called the correspondence principle and was formulated by Bohr.

Quantum mechanics gives us a wider perspective, a new context that extends our perception into a new domain. We can see nature as separate forms – either waves or particles – or we can discover complementarity: the idea that waves and particles both are inherent in the same thing.


CUTTING THROUGH MATERIAL REALISM


The principles of quantum theory make it possible to discard the unwarranted assumptions of material realism.

Assumption 1: Strong objectivity. A basic assumption that the materialist makes is that there is an objective material universe out there, one that is independent of us. This assumption has some obvious operational validity, and it is often assumed to be necessary to conduct science meaningfully. Is this assumption really valid? The lesson of quantum physics is that we choose which aspect – wave or particle – a quantum object is going to reveal in a given situation. Moreover, our observation collapses the quantum wave packet to a localized particle. Subjects and objects are inextricably blended together. If subjects and objects mesh in this way, how can we uphold the assumption of strong objectivity.

Assumption 2: Causal determinism. Another assumption of the classical scientist that lends credence to material realism is that the world is fundamentally deterministic – all we have to know are the forces acting on each object and the initial conditions (the initial velocity and position of the object). The quantum uncertainty principle, however, says that we can never determine both an object’s velocity and position simultaneously with absolute accuracy. There will always be error in our knowledge of the initial conditions, and strict determinism does not prevail. The idea of causality itself is even suspect. Since the behavior of quantum objects is probabilistic, a strict cause – effect description of the behavior of a single object is impossible. Instead, we have statistical cause and statistical effect when talking about a large group of particles.

Assumption 3: Locality. The assumption of locality – that all interactions between material objects are mediated via local signals – is crucial to the materialistic view that objects exist essentially independent and separate from one another. If, however, waves spread over vast distances and then instantly collapse when we take measurements, then the influence of our measurement is not traveling locally. Thus locality is ruled out. This is another fatal blow to material realism.

Assumption 4 and 5: Materialism and epiphenomenalism. The materialist maintains that subjective mental phenomena are but epiphenomena of matter. They can be reduced to material brain stuff alone. In order to understand the behavior of quantum objects, however, we seem to need to inject consciousness – our ability to choose – according to the complementarity principle and the idea of subject – object mixing. Moreover, it seems absurd that an epiphenomenon of matter can effect matter: If consciousness is an epiphenomena , how can it collapse the spread – out wave of a quantum object to a localized particle when it takes a quantum measurement?

The correspondence principle notwithstanding, the new paradigm of physics – quantum physics – contradicts the dicta of material realism. There is no way around this conclusion. We cannot say, citing correspondence, that classical physics holds for macro objects for all practical purposes and that since we live in the macro world, we will assume that the quantum strangeness confines itself to the submicroscopic domain of nature. On the contrary, the strangeness haunts us all the way to the macro level. There are unresolvable quantum paradoxes if we divide the world into domains of classical and quantum physics.

In India, people ingeniously catch monkeys with a jar of chickpeas. The monkey reaches into the jar to grab a fistful of chickpeas. Alas, with its fist closed on the food, it can no longer remove its hand. The mouth of the jar is to small for its fist. The trap works because the monkey’s greed prohibits him from letting go of the chickpeas. The axioms of material realism – materialism, determinism, locality and so forth – served us well in the past when our knowledge was more limited than it is today, but now they have become our trap. We may have to let go of the chickpeas of certainty in order to embrace the freedom that lies outside the material arena.

If material realism is not an adequate philosophy for physics, what philosophy can deal with all the strangeness of quantum behavior? It is the philosophy of monistic idealism, which has been the basis of all religions worldwide.

Traditionally, only religions and the humanistic disciplines have given value to human life beyond physical survival – value through our love of aesthetics; our creativity in art, music and thought; and our spirituality in the intuition of unity. The sciences, locked into classical physics and its philosophical baggage of material realism, have been the pied piper of skepticism. Now the new physics is crying out for a new, liberating philosophy – one befitting our current level of knowledge. If monistic idealism fits the need, for the first time since Descartes, science, the humanities and the religions can walk arm-in-arm in search for the whole human truth.

I never said I was a materialist, I'm rooting for Hameroff and Penrose, but again I don't think quantum states fully explain the mind. I think they explain quite well how memories are encoded on the quantum realm within DNA codons, but they don't explain the hyperphysical nature of the mind and this is something that isn't even in contest yet, they're still arguing with people who think humans are brains with bodies. True enough but there is more to a brain than just "meat" (which by the way is muscle the brain is made mostly of cholesterol and takes up roughly 20% of your daily caloric intake). The brain is a hyperphysical matrix and the mind is an emergent property of matrixes, I honestly don't believe the spirit can be described scientifically and is specifically religious. The consistency of the actual mind is probably some rather exotic matter and energy patterns but that awaits discovery on a testing basis.
 

Lisa Ann Marie

Patron with Honors
Your mind does not even reside within your body. That is materialist thinking.

Take some time to study the following:


http://www.newworldview.com/library/...rging_NWV.html By Paul M. Helfrich, Ph.D.

I think you're missing the point here, if the mind is hyperphysical it inhabits extra dimensions of space-time. You really need to step off the movie screen here for a second and watch the movie. The mind interprets quantum mechanical information and renders information that is visible on the local level, and from here we can view the stars. Somewhere in between something happened, before became after and so on, self imposed collapse of the wave function into a particulated quantum state. Observation plays a role in our version of reality, and if there is any truth to string theory each person is reflecting their own version of the universe. What's red to you is blue to me and we both call it yellow but there is a definitive wavelength for yellow which means our interpretations though wrong must agree with the sum of the systems components.
 

lexmark

Patron with Honors
OK

I think you're missing the point here, if the mind is hyperphysical it inhabits extra dimensions of space-time. You really need to step off the movie screen here for a second and watch the movie. The mind interprets quantum mechanical information and renders information that is visible on the local level, and from here we can view the stars. Somewhere in between something happened, before became after and so on, self imposed collapse of the wave function into a particulated quantum state. Observation plays a role in our version of reality, and if there is any truth to string theory each person is reflecting their own version of the universe. What's red to you is blue to me and we both call it yellow but there is a definitive wavelength for yellow which means our interpretations though wrong must agree with the sum of the systems components.

I cannot argue with you here, I think we are both on the same wave length anyway. I have just had so much Criticism on the new worldview as the old way of thinking is still very dominent in our society.
 

Lisa Ann Marie

Patron with Honors
I cannot argue with you here, I think we are both on the same wave length anyway. I have just had so much Criticism on the new worldview as the old way of thinking is still very dominent in our society.

I agree but we can't let this new and exciting view take our feet of the ground. Be safe and be skeptical, that way you'll never be a Scientologist.
 

Human Again

Silver Meritorious Patron
Your mind does not even reside within your body.
.

You seem pretty certain about that. Got any proof yourself? I don't mean quotes and words from other people I mean PROOF to back up what you state is fact but which is really your OPINION. I have no problem with you holding an opinion, promoting that opinion and even trying to convince others to adopt it but I do have a problem with you stating as FACT.

One of the fundamental problems with Scientology was that Hubbard's opinion was stated as fact and backed up by high amounds of authority but no PROOF. Wouldn't want to see someone else making that mistake and not point it out.
 

Lisa Ann Marie

Patron with Honors
You seem pretty certain about that. Got any proof yourself? I don't mean quotes and words from other people I mean PROOF to back up what you state is fact but which is really your OPINION. I have no problem with you holding an opinion, promoting that opinion and even trying to convince others to adopt it but I do have a problem with you stating as FACT.

One of the fundamental problems with Scientology was that Hubbard's opinion was stated as fact and backed up by high amounds of authority but no PROOF. Wouldn't want to see someone else making that mistake and not point it out.

That's important because we need verification for our theories. To say the mind has any one specific location I think is limiting in understanding the architecture of the brain and how it plays out in the Quantum World. These theories are great but like I said Penrose and Hameroff are meeting some fierce resistance, you have to be a rock star in science to get a theory across anymore.
 
Top