Mick Wenlock
Admin Emeritus (retired)
Getting back to the idiots from marty's blog where Haydn the hayseed posted:
There is no dispute from our intrepid haydn and marty researchers that the incident with the sub chaser took place. So, Secret File or no Secret File they agree with the Navy's record.
but it would appear that they actually didn't do any research! No investigation of the Japanese Imperial Navy records which are available. No verification of the movements of Japanese submarine units.
Nuttin'
Now it is, of course, no earthly surprise that a scientologist cannot do research but what this tells us is that these prats learned nothing.
They continue to spout tripe and fawn over their little stories and never seem to be able to distinguish between speculation and fact, between research and just 'reading".
And these twits are going to "handle" DM?
haydn // April 17, 2010 at 12:24 am
Will,
I’d like to throw in my two cents worth.
Though, like Marty, I find it hard to get into a general discussion on the subject of claims regarding LRH’s past, I have an intesting story to impart.
Back in the mid 1980s I worked with Marty in the Church’s legal department and I was handling a case which dealt in part with LRH’s credentials. Specifically parts of his WWII war record, how he commanded a sub chaser, was a fantastic leader of men, fought Japanese subs off the West Coast of ther USA, was injured but recovered and other similar points.
I knew of such claims about LRH’s past and like a good Scientologist just assumed they were true, but the sheer amount and weight of vicious ridicule that was thrown at these claims by slick lawyers during the heat of courtroom battle even had me reeling and wondering about them and it had church researchers scouring the country for any war timewitnesses.
The trial did not go well, it seems it is much easier to tear a man’s reputation down than it is to build it up.
Then one day, a little too late in the trial to help with the outcome, an old gentleman arrived. Despite his 70 plus years he’d travelled many a mile and I got to spend some time with this gentlemen and questioned him at great length.
He wasn’t a Scientologist, not sure he’d ever heard of it. He hadn’t seen L Ron Hubbard for around forty years but heard that people were casting aspersions at his old friend so came a running.
]He was L Ron Hubbard’s Chief Officer from the “fictitious” sub chaser and relayed to me in detail how he had spent many hours, around 26 hours straight if memory serves me right, with Hubbard aboard that sub chaser fighting a number of Japanese subs threatening the west Coast of the USA, sinking at least one of them, and how the senior naval authorities poured cold water on and suppressed the reports of the incidents for their own reasons. He told me how he had stood beside Hubbard in the latrine and couldn’t help noticing that his commanding officer was pissing copious amounts of blood due to his injuries; told me that Hubbard was by far the greatest naval officer he’d ever served under, that he could turn a rabble into a well drilled crew and did, and that to this day he would walk through hell for the man.
Regardess of the truth of specific claims regarding Ron Hubbard, I was left with an abiding thought, what quality and stature of a man has friends who, forty years on, drop everything to come and help defend them?
There is no dispute from our intrepid haydn and marty researchers that the incident with the sub chaser took place. So, Secret File or no Secret File they agree with the Navy's record.
but it would appear that they actually didn't do any research! No investigation of the Japanese Imperial Navy records which are available. No verification of the movements of Japanese submarine units.
Nuttin'
Now it is, of course, no earthly surprise that a scientologist cannot do research but what this tells us is that these prats learned nothing.
They continue to spout tripe and fawn over their little stories and never seem to be able to distinguish between speculation and fact, between research and just 'reading".
And these twits are going to "handle" DM?