Lyndon LaRouche - LaRouche Youth Movement

[Lone Star]

You must have forgotten Dope, Inc., first published in 1978. In it LaRouche's writers Konstandinos Kalimtgis, Jeff Steinberg, and David P. Goldman create a conspiracy of Zionists either working for the British aristocracy or using them as cover to run the worldwide drug racket. The book creates an "Order of Zion" and claims that the known anti-Semetic forgery The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is the minutes of an Order meeting in Paris which were captured by the Russian Tsarist Okrana secret police and published to get back at the Zionists for undermining the Russian government*. It is this group that ran the drugs with the Chinese Triads on orders from Lord Palmerston (!) in the 19th century and now runs the racket from banks in Canada.

http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/dope.htm

My point in bringing up this nonsense is that antisemitism is mostly a hobby of the farthest-Right, especially when the book was originally published. That LaRouche has republished the book three times and added to it (even though he denies the book to the media when it's brought up) speaks volumes to me....what I haven't mentioned before should be said now; LaRouche is a crypto-politician. He can't reveal what he would really do if he were in power because it would be catastrophic to any campaign. Certainly he has written that he admires FDR and the New Deal, but is that a front for something else? Chip Berlet and other writers feel that a LaRouche America would be some sort of police state with a high tech base (in the 1980s LaRouche pushed nuclear power and fusion power research.) What can be said with any certainty is that such a state would be pro-capitalist, anti-Jewish, and opposed to the last 40 years of popular music.


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* The truth is that the Okrana wrote the Protocols using a mishmash of two sources: Dialoge in Hell between Machiavelli and Montesquieu by Maurice Joly and part of Hermann Goedsche's novel Biarritz. The first copies of the Protocols appeared in Russia in 1903, and came to the West with White Russians after the Bolsheviks won the Russian Civil War. It has been in print ever since.

The right does not have a monopoly on anti-semitism. There are leftist ant-semites. Most people today don't know what fascism really is. The word has been so mis-used that it has lost it's true meaning.

I've read everything you mentioned and it does not prove that he's a right winger. Look, this may be a shock to many, but leftists can be racists and totalitarian.

 

[Smilla]

He seems to me to quite paranoid, with a dash of martyrism thrown in.

It is also quite true that Jew-Haters can be found at any point on the political spectrum. As a Jew I prefer to use the term 'Jew-Hater' rather than antisemite, as it's more of am accurate description, except in cases where the person the person hates all semitic peoples rather than just Jews.

 

[LA SCN]

Lydon LaRouche is an interesting character; he began on the far Left, creating a group called the National Caucus of Labor Committees, then he swung to the Right in 1973, forming the US Labor Party, though he would always run for president on the Democratic Party ticket. Right now LaRouchianism is centered on the LaRouche Youth Movement, aka "those annoying kids on the college quad." Their game is youth recruitment and a sort of "counter-education" which exposes them to LaRouche's galaxy of conspiracy theories; he believes the Queen of England is the world's foremost drug pusher and that the grand political battle of the ages has been between Aristotelian and Neo-Platonists, and LaRouche is a Neo-Platonist. He also believes in the Verdi pitch for orchestral music, that global warming is a hoax, and that "rouge elements" of the US military had something to do with September 11 as part of a political coup.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Lyndon_LaRouche

And what does the new RYM member do once in? Travel around and recruit new members. How many do they have? I once emailed an ex-member asking about numbers: he said 4000-5000 people are on the LaRouche mailing lists but the active members are very small, 500 to 1000 people. The point of LaRouchianism is not creating mass movements, but making small elites that can somehow inject themselves into the political system and turn it LaRouche.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche

I understand that at the very least he is an eccentric. Beyond that, it is very wild territory and he is well encamped there.

What I want to know is why do people give him and people like him, which includes Hubbard, the time of day much less their allegiance and the use of their life in furtherance of a hidden agenda?

What is the weakness and how is it fixed so one will avoid such types in the future?

 

[Enthetan]

The right does not have a monopoly on anti-semitism. There are leftist ant-semites. Most people today don't know what fascism really is. The word has been so mis-used that it has lost it's true meaning.

I've read everything you mentioned and it does not prove that he's a right winger. Look, this may be a shock to many, but leftists can be racists and totalitarian.

I would argue that, in the United States in 2012, there are far more Jew-haters who vote Democrat than Republican. Some of the most virulent jew-haters in the US are blacks and Muslims, who tend to vote Democrat.

 

[Lone Star]

He seems to me to quite paranoid, with a dash of martyrism thrown in.

It is also quite true that Jew-Haters can be found at any point on the political spectrum. As a Jew I prefer to use the term 'Jew-Hater' rather than antisemite, as it's more of am accurate description, except in cases where the person the person hates all semitic peoples rather than just Jews.

At first when I read this I thought it said "martyism". Which could also be true, now that I think about it. :wink2:

 

[Mister Mike]

The right does not have a monopoly on anti-semitism. There are leftist anti-semites. Most people today don't know what fascism really is. The word has been so mis-used that it has lost it's true meaning.

I've read everything you mentioned and it does not prove that he's a right winger. Look, this may be a shock to many, but leftists can be racists and totalitarian.

I can agree Leftists can be racist (the Khmer Rouge were relentless toward the Cham minority during their three years of rule, for example), but I ask, what is fascism to you? Can you define it?

To me, all of the behaviors of Lyndon LaRouche since the mid-1970s have followed the fascist/Nazi line: the antisemitism, the belief in conspiracies keeping the masses from the "truth", the regimentation of his followers. They might wear business clothing instead of black or brown shirts, but it's all the same, really. I'm not the only one who thinks this; Dennis King wrote a book on LaRouche in the late 1980s titled Lyndon LaRouche and the New American Fascism (which is available online below); he was predicting Lyn would have a shot at being a powerbroker, because he was getting people into Congress. Luckily, LaRouche wound up serving a jail term. I read Dope, Inc. in the early 1990s; the thing screamed "kook" and "weird conspiracy", looking at chunks of it now online I'd forgotten how anti-Jewish it really was.

http://lyndonlarouche.org/newamericanfascism.htm