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MainStream Society's Humiliation of Minority Spiritual and Religious Pursuits

Discussion in 'Life After Scientology' started by Alanzo, Aug 8, 2019.

  1. Cornelius Bigot

    Cornelius Bigot Patron with Honors

    Your main reason for starting this thread: promoting your nutty ramblings on other forums, which nobody reads.
    "OPEN" as in 'one you're not banned from', as you probably created it yourself.
    So you've found another nut to talk to. I doubt if his "weird experience" can be ascribed to anything other than coincidence.
    Apparently he found "parts of the practices that seemed to work". "Parts" and "seemed" being the important words here. Utter drivel. Lets put it to the test, Mr. Fairbanks.
    Again : your main two reasons for being here : 1) Stir up shit and keep derailing the conversation. 2) Promote your nonsense posted in other places.
    Mainstream society? You sure speak for a lot of people. Narcissist much? People are allowed to ask questions in the face of nonsense. That is not "stigma".
    You act as if ex Scientologists all over the world are constantly lambasted in the streets about whether they hold on to certain aspects of Scientology. You are not sane. You do realize you're posting this on an Ex Scientologist Message Board, right? Oh great. Here comes the example that should prove your point. Oh dear.
    Now you're speaking for all "mainstream Egyptians". Putting words in the mouths of an entire civilization, as if you actually know anything. You are not sane.

    Also: 1) Christianity and Islam originated at roughly the same time and place. And 2) There's religious strife in most any given devoutly religious society that consists of more than one religious movement.

    Please post a quote from a "mainstream Egyptian" saying Christians in Egypt are brainwashed. I'll allow your dumb ass to go back in time as far as you wish.
    Your imaginary "pressure from mainstream society" (remember Egypt) is of course not talked about by anybody but yourself. Here you are again, speaking for a large group of people. In this case: all ex Scientologists. (Pssst... you are talking to ex Scientologists. They might know what "dominates their worldview" better than you do)
    Example of such pressure? Of course not.
    Still speaking for others. Still talking to ex Scientologists as if they don't know their own mind. You are not sane. What is self-destructive is a narcissistic world-view that gives you such a sense of entitlement, you start to believe you can speak for others. Large groups of people even. Soon enough you end up alone in life.
    Can you post a quote of any ex Scientologist apologizing for ever having been a Scientologist? Of course you can't. I sure hope you believe your own drivel. That way at least there is one.
    What on earth are you even saying here? For some people getting out of a cult is something to recover from. For others the road might be less bumpy. You are not the arbiter in any case. And recovery and strength aren't mutually exclusive. You sure can babble.
    So basically this guy is saying people should recover at their own speed. Which goes against all your babble about what ex Scientologists supposedly think, what you assume they should think, and whether they need recovery or should just proclaim "i feel so strengthened!".
    Post a quote from either Mike Rinder or Chris Shelton blaming "brainwashing" for anything. Not mental conditioning or undue influence or anything else. Brainwashing.
    Pssst... nobody is saying every ex Scientologist need to apologize for something.
    Here you are literally saying that traumatized ex Scientologists are just faking it. That they just *tell* themselves they are traumatized. You are not sane.
    Then this:
    I'd say it is.
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  2. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

  3. Cornelius Bigot

    Cornelius Bigot Patron with Honors

    Hey, look! Alan can google. You should try it more often. Instead of continually babbling from your hind parts.
  4. PirateAndBum

    PirateAndBum Gold Meritorious Patron

    I'll get scientological for a moment and observe that Alan might possibly be dramatizing a GPM. Pro-Scn, Anti-Scn, Anti-Anti-Scn. Eventually you''ll give up being an anti-anti-scn and perhaps find a more interesting goal to pursue :)
  5. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

  6. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    In lieu of the non response from Alanzo...

    Tribalism is a euphemism for cultism.

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  7. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Wrong. A euphemsm is a term that falsely characterizes something bad as something not so bad. "Collateral Damage", for instance, for civilians who were killed in military attacks.

    Tribalism, as a term, is much less loaded, way less pejorative, and more descriptive of the truth of human groups that go to extremes, and the exact ways they go to extremes.

    As a concept, especially taken in the context of "Homo Sapiens is a tribal species" it explains WHY they go to extremes, allowing you to see the tribalism in Democrats, as well as in the US Marines, a fraternity, or a professional football team - as well as in Scientology and Anti-Scientology.

    Tribalism, as a concept, allows for both the good and the bad of human groups.

    Therefore, it is a much more truthful and useful term than "cult" in describing the phenomena we talk about on this board every day.
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2019
  8. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Euphemism is a substitute word that is milder.

    Although your definition is hardly mild: "1. Blind loyalty 2. Blind hypocrisy 3. Cruelty."

    Is Freedom magazine having articles about tribalism?
  9. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Euphemisms are not more accurate. They obfuscate the actual phenomenon being described.

    Tribalism is more a comprehensive, and a more accurate, term which describes the phenomena way better than "cult'.
    Last edited: Aug 26, 2019
  10. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    Use the word "substitute" if that rings your bell.

    "Blind loyalty." Mmmm...

    Sounds like Hubbard's secret blueprint: "...asserting and maintaining dominion over thoughts and loyalties..."

    You're saying anti-Scientologists are blindly loyal, cruel hypocrites.

    Please clarify to what, or who, it is they are blindly loyal.
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  11. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    In this case, these anti-scientologists are blindly loyal and cruel hypocrites in support of Mike Rinder and Leah Remini - specifically what are called - in the trade - Rinder Ninnies and Remini Ninnies:

    Be sure to read the comments. Most of the outright threats of violence, and almost all of the attacks on Cathy Tweed, were never published by me. I figured she'd had a enough of that. What got through were the tame comments.

    Remember, this is a mother who's daughter committed suicide. It is the ultimate in cruelty to blame a mother for her own daughter's suicide.

    Cathy Tweed, Taylor Tweed's Mother, Speaks
  12. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    So the anti-Scientologists have the characteristic of being blindly loyal and cruel.

    Before Rinder and Remini came along, who were the anti-Scientologists blindly loyal to?

    In 2015? In 2010? In 2005? In 2000? In 1995? In 1990? In 1985?

    Let's see, in the year 2000 was it Mark Bunker?

    Scientology Parishioners Committee


    From the year 2000

    Have you considered writing a history of anti-Scientology and anti-Scientologists?
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  13. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    I don't think you've ever really gotten it. Neither here on ESMB, or on Reddit or anywhere else - no matter how much I've ever tried to explain myself to you. At some point - just like with Scientology ideologues - you don't waste your breath on them.

    Alanzo first began writing about Scientology in the mid-1980’s on the Religions & Ethics section of the GEnie Bulletin Board service using a 2400 baud dial-up modem.

    He’s been writing about Scientology, both in and out of the subject, since then.

    When Alanzo left Scientology in 1999 and became a critic of them on the Internet, Scientology fair-gamed him and sought to redefine him as a “Suppressive Person” and a low-life scumbag who could not be trusted, or believed, or loved and supported, by anyone.

    So, seeing what they did to him and to other Ex-Scientologists who spoke out, Alanzo became an Anti-Scientologist and worked with others for the next 15 years to 'expose the abuses' & criminal acts of Scientology, L Ron Hubbard, Scientology Technology & David Miscavige.

    Then Alanzo started noticing the same blind loyalty, and the same blind hypocrisy, as well as the same cruelty, in Anti-Scientology that he'd earlier observed in Scientology.

    He then applied the same critical thinking skills to Anti-Scientology that he'd earlier applied to Scientology. And he began writing about what he'd found.

    And you know what? He got the same kinds of fair game actions from Anti-Scientologists as he'd earlier received from Scientology.

    This was a revelatory set of experiences for Alanzo. All kinds of things became much plainer to him about cults and anti-cults, through a better understanding of social science and a much clearer view of human tribalism.

    Alanzo has now seen the human tribalism that makes Scientology a cult alive and well in Anti-Scientology, too.

    Because of his long experience both in Scientology & Anti-Scientology, Alanzo feels a somewhat lonely & quixotic duty to be an asshole in these matters: He has realized that being an Anti-Scientologist can be almost as damaging to an EX as Scientology was.

    Maybe more.

    He's also realized that, too often in life, you can have friends, or you can have the truth, but you can't have both.

    So that's what Alanzo writes about now: Critical Thinking on Scientology & Anti-Scientology.
  14. Veda

    Veda Sponsor

    You left in 1999. Who was the leader of the anti-Scientologists in the year 2000?

    They had to have given their blind loyalty to someone in the year 2000. Who? Can you remind us?

    How about their cruelty in the year 2000? Can you tell us about that?

    C'mon, write that history!
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  15. Free Being Me

    Free Being Me Crusader

    Hmmm. Blind loyal cruel hypocrites. Oh, and hysterical cultist tribal ninny failures. So much warm humanity is flowing about it just tingles right to the heart. Amazingly inspiring and empowering reading the kindest of regards. I have no doubt those words will be a Hallmark card mainstay just in time for the Holidays. I have nothing but gratitude for being the recipient of obviously compassionate labels. I had no idea fair game is so empathetic and the joy of reading it here of all places is beyond words. Joie de vivre!
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  16. Emma

    Emma Con te partirò Administrator

    For me it was Arnie Lerma and Bob Minton. I was loyal to him and hated anyone criticising him. I got out in 2001 but read pretty much everything before I entered the fray on a.r.s, and it was Arnie who I looked up to, and Bob and Gerry. But then people started calling out Arnie on a few things, mostly to do with his support of Minton. War broke out because either Bob Minton was a turncoat or Bob Minton was a hero. No in betweens. No nuance. The critics of Minton were in the minority and bashed very heavily, but then when he gave up, all the piling on switched to Minton, except for Arnie and a few loyalists.

    You may see it differently to me Veda, but that's how I saw it.

    Minton was a hero until he wasn't.
    Marty was a hero until he wasn't.
    Mike is a hero, but his story isn't finished. I hope he ends up a hero.

    I realised there is no such thing as a hero. It's perception only.
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  17. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    ok Alanzo, you stated this:

    "This was a revelatory set of experiences for Alanzo. All kinds of things became much plainer to him about cults and anti-cults, through a better understanding of social science and a much clearer view of human tribalism.

    Alanzo has now seen the human tribalism that makes Scientology a cult alive and well in Anti-Scientology, too.

    Because of his long experience both in Scientology & Anti-Scientology, Alanzo feels a somewhat lonely & quixotic duty to be an asshole in these matters: He has realized that being an Anti-Scientologist can be almost as damaging to an EX as Scientology was."


    so you have a better understanding of cults and anti cults.

    so you state human tribalism that makes scientology a cult. So what is the human tribalism that made scientology a cult?

    you also state that as well in the anti-scientology. so what is the human tribalism that made a anti-scientology cult?
  18. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Same one.

    Human beings are a tribal species.
  19. Gib

    Gib Crusader

    how do they become a tribal species?
  20. Alanzo

    Alanzo Bardo Tulpa

    Because they were promised the States of Clear and OT if they did - through rhetoric?