Mark 'Marty' Rathbun: Scientology Thought Control

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Mark 'Marty' Rathbun: Scientology Thought Control
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/09/26/scientology-thought-control/

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The following is a chapter passage that immediately follows another one that was posted earlier, Deconstructing Scientology. A quick reminder perusal of the first passage will make reading the following easier.

Part II:

Such a psychotherapy has been shown to have the power to convert conscientious, caring, emotionally disturbed, and relatively intelligent people into cheery, focused followers who yet accept implicitly, and act according to, subconscious commands on the order of:

A. One should never fear to hurt another person in a just cause (most particularly when that cause is the cause of the creator of the mental therapy he engages in).

B. One should never withdraw his allegiance to any group to which he has pledged it, irrespective of how criminal and destructive he discovers that group might be (most particularly when that group is the one endowed with a monopoly on the mental therapy he is engaged in).

C. One should never show compassion to the weak for to do so will worsen the weak and the strong attempting to lend a hand. Only the ‘able’ ought be supported and assisted. Like in social Darwinist thought it is justified by the arbitrary datum that only further empowerment of the elite will raise anyone else’s boat.

D. That now considering oneself one of the elite, every time you engage in self-absorbed, introspective processes to make yourself feel better you are improving humankind’s lot. A sort of imbued megalomaniac narcissism is effectuated re-enforcing a-c above.

E. Personalities inclined to not go along with the mental therapy program and instead find fault with it ought to be disposed of permanently and with no slightest dent in one’s conscience for having done so.

The thinking becomes so inverted that the mental health therapy acolyte becomes fiercely contentious and combative about arguing the rationality of the a-e thought pattern and behaviors above. In fact, this is the ingrained mindset and behavior pattern of a scientologist; and he or she will defend it as ferociously and instinctively as a she-gator protects her young. Being utterly oblivious to any sub conscious (associative) mind system in himself the scientologist may even purport not to hold these views and yet continue to argue vehemently for their rationale. Even when scientologists leave and disavow the organizations and the subject itself, they can be observed continuing to act out these patterns. Little compassion and much arrogant, vicious fault-finding and attempts to undermine espousers of opposing views often marks the interchange between them.

That people can have their characters and long term behavior patterns so apparently permanently molded and that they can continue to argue the virtues of their programming ought not come as a surprise. Many scientifically grounded studies over the past several decades in fact have demonstrated that that is precisely how sub conscious (associative) and analytical thought works hand in glove. The subconscious (associative) mind system automatically rationalizes the content of its adopted narratives perpetuating the human proclivity toward creating, adopting and bolstering stories to make sense of the world. Those rationalizations become somewhat permanent associative mind narratives. The narratives’ matrices of associated ‘facts’ become the filter through which new information and perceptions are sensed and organized. The auto-associating mind system prompts the individual to use his analytical faculties to further explain and justify its conclusions. The comfortable, if lazy, analytical function usually complies or simply abides and articulates the sub-conscious-associative faculty’s conclusions. It most certainly does so when the individual is not on guard against misinformation, mis-association and irrationality common to associative mind processes. And when the person is convinced that there are no such processes present – as the ‘cleared’ scientologist is – his analytical system can become mighty reactionary itself.

Many of these facts about how the mind works are understood and plied by those who mold educational, political and social thought. This knowledge is used and affects us daily in advertising, business, law, politics, media, you name it. Arts and sciences driven by it are increasing exponentially with the advent of the Age of Information. Fantastic sums of money are invested into utilizing this knowledge to maintain the status quo and make populations more materialist-consumerist oriented to increase the dollars flowing toward the top of the wealth pyramid. Like it or not, we live in a culture driven, fueled, and maintained by consultation to and application of the advices of the greatest minds in human psychology.

The knowledge utilized to keep the masses slaves to the current economic system demonstrates how an understanding of these mechanisms could make a hypnotic ‘therapy’ as discussed herein possible. They are the very mechanisms used to make scientologists slaves to their leadership. The scientologist is kept oblivious to this. Scientology keeps its followers ignorant by clever application of a-e above. It teaches them that those who know anything about psychology are the enemy and that understanding what the enemy knows could poison the follower. The enemy and his knowledge must be attacked and destroyed by any means necessary in order for a-e culture to function. And so scientology ultimately becomes an insulated cult playing out an exaggerated form of that which it is taught to condemn.

In practice this is how scientology culture operates. Its form of governance is closed-system, thought-controlling totalitarianism. It closely resembles George Orwell’s 1984. That holds parallel right down to omnipresent electronic recording, thought police, thought crimes, and Newspeak. If a scientologist begins to cultivate thought patterns that question authority (or even explore the very mechanisms we discuss here) they are soon ferreted out by liberal use of one component of a lie detector (the electropsychometer or e-meter). The discovered offending mind is put through rigorous reformation techniques. That reform can include years-long confinement in re-educating concentration camps. It more often entails the loss – or threatened loss – of communication and communion with one’s family and closest friends and even business associates.

It should be noted that the psychological mechanisms at work in commerce, marketing, media and politics are not held secret. The only reason for their continued negative effectiveness is people’s lack of energy or curiosity in learning of them. And therein lies the most troubling aspect of scientology’s enforced information bubble.

It would seem that the road to recovery for a scientologist should include education in the very psychological mechanisms that were employed on him so effectively that they often continue to affect him long after he has left the cult.

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olska

Silver Meritorious Patron
I continue to be pleased to see Marty working through his issues and publishing this process for all the world to share, but...

Just for fun I ran Marty's post from the OP through the "Gunning Fog Index" (google "fog index") which gives you a rating of what educational level might be required to understand it... the rating came back 16.05, which is college graduate, or grad student level. (12 would be high school graduate).

That probably explains why Marty's writing makes me sleepy...

I personally really, really dislike what I call "academic writing" -- writing to please academic authorities and impress one's academic peers -- which is, near as I can tell, completely unrelated to imparting to any reader of any educational level whatsoever, anytime or anywhere, any real understanding of the actual content.

So if I get really bored today I'm thinking of trying to rewrite this wordy tome in simpler language that ordinary people might understand. If I don't wake up for a week or so, you'll know why..... :coolwink:
 

olska

Silver Meritorious Patron
OK, here for your reading pleasure is my "edited" version of Marty's essay. Comments welcome. :hide:
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The psychotherapy described above [in Part I] alters the subconscious of its participants, and effectively makes conscientious, caring, intelligent, and/or emotionally disturbed people into cheery fanatics, blindly loyal to the group and their master. This loyalty may persist even when participants discover that group to be criminal or destructive.

Participants may come to believe that compassion for the weak or less fortunate worsens both the weak and those who are strong enough to help. (See Eugenics, Social Darwinism, Ronald Reagan’s “Trickle Down Economics,” and the like.)

Participants are encouraged to see themselves as members of an “elite.” Delusions of Grandeur and Narcissistic Personality Disorder are encouraged and even fostered by the use of instrospective processes.

When it serves the needs of the group or the desires of their master, participants may hurt others – particularly critics -- without guilt or fear of consequences.

Faced with criticism or opposing views, participants will ferociously defend these thought and behavior patterns. Some may continue to act out these patterns even after they claim to have left behind the group or the subject.

Many scientifically grounded studies [Note: docs or references not provided] in recent decades have shown that people make sense of the world by creating, adopting, and bolstering stories that rationalize content imbedded in the subconscious (associative) mind. These rationalizations can become permanent; and they form a filter through which new information and perceptions are evaluated and rationalized, in turn.

This filtering system most precludes truly rational understanding and thinking when the individual is convinced – as is the “cleared” scientologist – that no such processes or filters are present.

In this Information Age, our present culture is permeated by the application of these facts about how the mind works, given to us by the greatest minds in human psychology, and now used daily by advertising, business, law, politics, and the news media. Facts about how the mind works are understood and used not only by scientology, but by all those who mold educational, political, and social thought.

But while the psychological mechanisms at work in commerce, marketing, media and politics are not held secret, Scientology teaches that those who know anything about psychology are the enemy, and that knowing what that enemy knows could poison the follower. Thus, the most troubling aspect of scientology is its information bubble -- its enforced taboos against any study of any aspect of modern psychology. It is this taboo that most traps the participant.

Looked at objectively, scientology is an insulated cult playing out an exaggerated form of that which scientologists are taught to condemn.

To protect its closed-system, thought-controlling structure, scientology uses techniques that have been most associated with totalitarian regimes, such as: omnipresent electronic recording, thought police, thought crimes, and “Newspeak” (see the book 1984, by George Orwell). Those who question authority are ferreted out with scientology’s version of a lie detector: the e-meter. Offenders are subjected to rigorous reformation techniques, including the loss or threatened loss of one’s family and friends, and sometimes years-long confinement in re-educating concentration camps that we know as the RPF.The road to recovery for a scientologist can be long and arduous, and should include breaking out of this information bubble.

Most helpful to a scientologist’s recovery will be education in the very psychological mechanisms that were employed on him so effectively that they often continue to affect him long after he has left the cult.
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Marty’s version
1,034 Words
16.05 fog index

My version
565 Words
16.37 fog index (can't win 'em all...)
 

prosecco

Patron Meritorious
I continue to be pleased to see Marty working through his issues and publishing this process for all the world to share, but...

Just for fun I ran Marty's post from the OP through the "Gunning Fog Index" (google "fog index") which gives you a rating of what educational level might be required to understand it... the rating came back 16.05, which is college graduate, or grad student level. (12 would be high school graduate).

That probably explains why Marty's writing makes me sleepy...

I personally really, really dislike what I call "academic writing" -- writing to please academic authorities and impress one's academic peers -- which is, near as I can tell, completely unrelated to imparting to any reader of any educational level whatsoever, anytime or anywhere, any real understanding of the actual content.

So if I get really bored today I'm thinking of trying to rewrite this wordy tome in simpler language that ordinary people might understand. If I don't wake up for a week or so, you'll know why..... :coolwink:

I've been thinking about what's so irritating about Marty's writing. He doesn't give any examples of what is talking about, just a lot of fairly heavy ideas,. some of which make sense, some don't.

For instance, he states that hypnosis is used in a range of areas such as legal, advertising etc. Great, how about an illustration of this theory?
 

HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
--snipped--

I've been thinking about what's so irritating about Marty's writing.


His vocabulary and ideas are fine.

It's his damn sentences with that incessant layering of qualifying phrases/clauses that force the reader to donate so much laborious effort in order to understand it. And, that nagging feeling afterwards that one wants the donation refunded.
 

Leland

Crusader
His vocabulary and ideas are fine.

It's his damn sentences with that incessant layering of qualifying phrases/clauses that force the reader to donate so much laborious effort in order to understand it. And, that nagging feeling afterwards that one wants the donation refunded.

Geeze...that is funny.

I vote this for Best Of .....!!
 

WildKat

Gold Meritorious Patron
I personally really, really dislike what I call "academic writing" -- writing to please academic authorities and impress one's academic peers -- which is, near as I can tell, completely unrelated to imparting to any reader of any educational level whatsoever, anytime or anywhere, any real understanding of the actual content.

That's always been one of my pet peeves too! I would much rather read information given in a conversational style, like a real person was actually writing, not a stuffy clinician. Marty appears to be trying really hard to impress someone. It's getting painful slogging through his stuff lately. Although I tend to agreed with most of what he's been trying to say.
 

Kemist

Patron with Honors
I continue to be pleased to see Marty working through his issues and publishing this process for all the world to share, but...

Just for fun I ran Marty's post from the OP through the "Gunning Fog Index" (google "fog index") which gives you a rating of what educational level might be required to understand it... the rating came back 16.05, which is college graduate, or grad student level. (12 would be high school graduate).

That probably explains why Marty's writing makes me sleepy...

I personally really, really dislike what I call "academic writing" -- writing to please academic authorities and impress one's academic peers -- which is, near as I can tell, completely unrelated to imparting to any reader of any educational level whatsoever, anytime or anywhere, any real understanding of the actual content.

So if I get really bored today I'm thinking of trying to rewrite this wordy tome in simpler language that ordinary people might understand. If I don't wake up for a week or so, you'll know why..... :coolwink:

You don't really get this kind of thing in science and engineering. I guess it's because our subjects are complex enough as it is.

But, yes, you often see these run-on sentences so long and intricate that you don't remember what was said in their beginning of it in social science. Especially essays written by french sociologists.

I had one mandatory sociology class during my degree. I often fell asleep, drooling on the page, when I read the assigned essays.
 
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HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
You don't really get this kind of thing in science and engineering. I guess it's because our subjects are complex enough as it is.

But, yes, you often see these run-on sentences so long and intricate that you don't remember what was said in their beginning of it in social science. Especially essays written by french sociologists.

I had one mandatory sociology class during my degree. I often fell asleep, drooling on the page, when I read the assigned essays.



:hysterical:

Reminds me of my love/hate relationship with French cinema. LOL. My theory is that no matter how wonderful and beautiful the film is, by the last 20 minutes someone is going to die or commit suicide.

Which reminds me of a fair number of Marty's essays. By the last 20 words, whatever core idea he wanted to communicate has largely perished (or killed itself) because of the pedantry he employed to say it.
 

I told you I was trouble

Suspended animation
OK, here for your reading pleasure is my "edited" version of Marty's essay. Comments welcome. :hide:
................................................................................................................

The psychotherapy described above [in Part I] alters the subconscious of its participants, and effectively makes conscientious, caring, intelligent, and/or emotionally disturbed people into cheery fanatics, blindly loyal to the group and their master. This loyalty may persist even when participants discover that group to be criminal or destructive.

Participants may come to believe that compassion for the weak or less fortunate worsens both the weak and those who are strong enough to help. (See Eugenics, Social Darwinism, Ronald Reagan’s “Trickle Down Economics,” and the like.)

Participants are encouraged to see themselves as members of an “elite.” Delusions of Grandeur and Narcissistic Personality Disorder are encouraged and even fostered by the use of instrospective processes.

When it serves the needs of the group or the desires of their master, participants may hurt others – particularly critics -- without guilt or fear of consequences.

Faced with criticism or opposing views, participants will ferociously defend these thought and behavior patterns. Some may continue to act out these patterns even after they claim to have left behind the group or the subject.

Many scientifically grounded studies [Note: docs or references not provided] in recent decades have shown that people make sense of the world by creating, adopting, and bolstering stories that rationalize content imbedded in the subconscious (associative) mind. These rationalizations can become permanent; and they form a filter through which new information and perceptions are evaluated and rationalized, in turn.

This filtering system most precludes truly rational understanding and thinking when the individual is convinced – as is the “cleared” scientologist – that no such processes or filters are present.

In this Information Age, our present culture is permeated by the application of these facts about how the mind works, given to us by the greatest minds in human psychology, and now used daily by advertising, business, law, politics, and the news media. Facts about how the mind works are understood and used not only by scientology, but by all those who mold educational, political, and social thought.

But while the psychological mechanisms at work in commerce, marketing, media and politics are not held secret, Scientology teaches that those who know anything about psychology are the enemy, and that knowing what that enemy knows could poison the follower. Thus, the most troubling aspect of scientology is its information bubble -- its enforced taboos against any study of any aspect of modern psychology. It is this taboo that most traps the participant.

Looked at objectively, scientology is an insulated cult playing out an exaggerated form of that which scientologists are taught to condemn.

To protect its closed-system, thought-controlling structure, scientology uses techniques that have been most associated with totalitarian regimes, such as: omnipresent electronic recording, thought police, thought crimes, and “Newspeak” (see the book 1984, by George Orwell). Those who question authority are ferreted out with scientology’s version of a lie detector: the e-meter. Offenders are subjected to rigorous reformation techniques, including the loss or threatened loss of one’s family and friends, and sometimes years-long confinement in re-educating concentration camps that we know as the RPF.The road to recovery for a scientologist can be long and arduous, and should include breaking out of this information bubble.

Most helpful to a scientologist’s recovery will be education in the very psychological mechanisms that were employed on him so effectively that they often continue to affect him long after he has left the cult.
.........................................................................

Marty’s version
1,034 Words
16.05 fog index

My version
565 Words
16.37 fog index (can't win 'em all...)





Scientology turns some people into complete fuckwits.


My version
7 words
Fog index refused to play with me.





:biggrin:
 

programmer_guy

True Ex-Scientologist
It can sometimes take years to peel off the layers of SCN indoctrination.
So, Marty is accused of being too academic/wordy?
Be patient and allow him a few more years.
 

prosecco

Patron Meritorious
It can sometimes take years to peel off the layers of SCN indoctrination.
So, Marty is accused of being too academic/wordy?
Be patient and allow him a few more years.

His writing isn't really academic, as there was always the, 'keep it simple' rule, at least when I was at uni, unless using subject specific terms, in which case the assumption was that the audience was a peer group.

He doesn't engage with his audience much at all, as evidenced by the dwindling comments.

And oh my god does he take himself rather seriously.
 

HelluvaHoax!

Platinum Meritorious Sponsor with bells on
His writing isn't really academic, as there was always the, 'keep it simple' rule, at least when I was at uni, unless using subject specific terms, in which case the assumption was that the audience was a peer group.

He doesn't engage with his audience much at all, as evidenced by the dwindling comments.

And oh my god does he take himself rather seriously.


LOL

When Marty worked for the Commodore, he was certain that he had found the source of supreme knowledge.

Then when Marty worked for COB, he was certain that he had found the source of knowledge.

Then after Marty left the COS, he set up the Indie Scn network and was certain that he was the source of mystical knowledge and expressed it through his blogs and books.

Then, Marty kinda got shaken up when Scientology Fair Game was used against him and his wife (by COB/COS) and that got him thinkin' that maybe Scientology & Ron wasn't so great after all. So, Marty started to read hundreds of other authors and found that they were the source of knowledge.

And to this day, Marty is suggesting books for others to study, in his wake.

My own take on it is pretty simple. Marty hasn't figured out yet that there isn't some book or policy or bulletin that explains life. Not from Ron or Dave or all the authors that have written countless books about cosmic knowledge.

What Marty doesn't get, yet, is that NOBODY HAS A CLUE about the transcendental secrets of life.

He is still looking and convinced that he keeps finding it. Forty years of "finding" it and he hasn't figured out that everyone in the history of mankind is, at the very best, just guessing.

ps: Sorry if this post offends anyone who has found the ultimate secrets. lol
 

Type4_PTS

Diamond Invictus SP
What Marty doesn't get, yet, is that NOBODY HAS A CLUE about the transcendental secrets of life.

:hmm:

I beg to differ. :coolwink:


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ILove2Lurk

Lisbeth Salander
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My own take on it is pretty simple. Marty hasn't figured out yet that there isn't some book or policy or bulletin that explains life. Not from Ron or Dave or all the authors that have written countless books about cosmic knowledge.

What Marty doesn't get, yet, is that NOBODY HAS A CLUE about the transcendental secrets of life.

He is still looking and convinced that he keeps finding it. Forty years of "finding" it and he hasn't figured out that everyone in the history of mankind is, at the very best, just guessing.

ps: Sorry if this post offends anyone who has found the ultimate secrets. lol

Sad commentary that one spends years and years of one's life digging through thick tomes
and endless websites in search of the holy grail of ultimate truth . . . and then to see it
clearly explained (and probably 100% right on the money IMO) by an anonymous online
persona named HelluvaHoax! of all things.

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How ironic!

But I'm a big fan.
 
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