Mark 'Marty' Rathbun: Standard Scientology

LOL

Funny thought!

But, then I paused and wondered (again) what actually would press the cult ejector button for Cruise, Travolta and Allay?

Drawing from experience and widely available history on the COS and many other cults, you actually put your finger right on the button.

When a cult member is attacked by their own cult (using the identical attach tech that the cult member has joyfully applied to others) then they are stopped in their tracks and typically cognite in a few minutes: "Fuck that shit!"

It's what blew Marty out of the cockpit. When he and his friends were beaten up.

It's what blew Lisa Marie out. When her "BFFs" were revealed to be cult handlers manipulating her every move.

It's what blew all those other elite-SO-turned-autobiographers out of Int Base (Marc Headley, Debbie Cook, Amy Scobee, Nancy Many, Jeff Hawkins, et al)

It's the same lesson that every crush-regged, fair-gamed, disconnected Scientologist learns just before they blow out of sheer self-preservation; that the tech eventually destroys everyone from the bottom to the very top of L. Ron Hubbard's food chain, himself included. It's a pervasively destructive, cannibalizing cult that sucks the life out of everything and everyone within its gravitational orbit.

Just to be clear, let's use another example for a moment. How did the largest MAFIA collapse in history occur? It was caused by the same phenomenon--a high ranking mafia member learning of "senior management's" (i.e. John Gotti) trashing them and plotting their demise. In Gotti's case, the FBI had obtained hundreds of hours of surveillance audio which they were not shy about playing for Mafia thug #2, Sammy "The Bull" Gravano who was the underboss to Gotti and his closest friend. When Sammy heard (and realized) that he was no exception to the list of people the boss despised and likely would soon whack out, he did the unforgivable, turning states witness. And he literally knew where all the bodies were buried, having carried out a couple dozen murders himself at the behest of the mob's or his own money-centric crime rackets.

If Travolta or Cruise heard or saw videotape of Miscavige reading their pc folder aloud, laughing and "degrading" them to other Sea Org members, they might pack up and head over the psychologically inward facing barbs surrounding Scientology celebs. I cannot believe the reason they stay is other than the abject terror they contemplate when considering what kind of damage Miscavige can do to their careers, reputations and life if he leaks their session withholds. I honestly think it's that simple and their cognitive dissonance kicks into a hyper-gear to prevent even thinking about that.

If you have had one marriage ruined by your 3rd dynamic group forfeit 1
If you have had two marriages ruined by your 3rd dynamic group forfeit 2.5
If you have had three marriages ruined by your 3rd dynamic group forfeit 4
If you are a celebrity and the above has happened with a global audience, forfeit an extra 6
If you feel you are the victim of mass media character assassination, because of your 3rd dynamic affiliations and experiences, forfeit 10
If you have been accused, in the media, of supporting slavery, forfeit 8
If you have been accused in the media of supporting fraud forfeit 8
If you have been mocked in the global media in connection with your defence and support of your 3rd dynamic forfeit 9
If you have been mocked for over 3 years forfeit 10
This is only a bit of the list. But near the end it gets to:
If you KNOW that David Miscavige has used your pc files to have a larf with his mates and you are still in that cult, THEY CAN HAVE YOU.
 

He-man

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So... Does this means Marty gonna come over here and be part of this gang now?

:confused2:
 

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The true Indie dead-enders moved to Milestone Two.

If you want to see comments that are "getting more and more into agreement," yep, go to Milestone Two.

The only fortunate thing is Milestone Two is not large, but it does subsist.


OMG. I never actually saw the Milestone Two website.

That is truly pathetic.

I mean. . .

Ron unexpectedly croaks and some unstable kool-aid drinkers get so frightened that they start making up whoppers of comparable magnitude to Hubbard's own grandiose lies.

The hurriedly come up with a preposterous Big Lie about Ron not dying but, instead, putting his OT magnificence on display for all by "exteriorizing at full cause" and traveling to another planet where he won't get DevT'd by his "encumbrance".

And the names Xenu and Arcola were taken already so they came up with another cringey dorked out name for where Ron went----Target II.

And the dorked out Indies name their website Milestone II.

What is WRONG with these people?! LOLOL
 

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HH, this is for you . . . my husband said you would get it,
being a knowledgeable Mafia fanboy apparently. :biggrin:


Marty just pulled a Gotti over on his site today. That is, dispensing with his "boss."

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:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical:

Thanks to your hub for the good laugh!

Marty has served two cult mob bosses well. But he still has much to learn about La Cause-a Nostra...

Helpful Hint For Marty: Gotti's Blog didn't keep his "Ode To Paul Castellano" posted online after he had him whacked.
 

BardoThodol

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There is no difference between a TRIAL and a SETTLEMENT.

Both have the same goal.

Resolution by distribution of money.

That's all a "settlement" is---an early resolution.

If only life were truly that simple. Where running a marathon were no different than sprinting 100 meters--both having the same goal of crossing the finish line as quickly as possible.

Sometimes, trials have very little to do with money. Sometimes it's about vengeance, retribution, punishment.

Or dissuasion.

Or exposure.

Some trials are intended to modify behavior or policy, the money serving merely as an incentive to conform.

Settlements are usually a compromise rather than a victory. The adage about a good compromise leaving neither party %100 happy probably obtains in settlements. Whereas, in trials, one side can be victorious and overjoyed, leaving the other crushed and defeated.

If one's intent is to dissuade or expose, then accepting money to end the case and zip one's lip could not be viewed as a success.

Debbie Cook could have done a lot more damage exposing he who shall not be named if she had not settled. At least, theoretically.

Buying silence certainly has been beneficial to the Cof$. Settlements versus trials. Their bank accounts seem to be flush--even with declining membership.

So, settlements versus trials can lead to dramatically different social outcomes. Knowledge which might benefit a broad spectrum of society can be squelched more easily in settlements. Deserved punishment can be avoided. Broad retribution can be lost.
 

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If only life were truly that simple. Where running a marathon were no different than sprinting 100 meters--both having the same goal of crossing the finish line as quickly as possible.

Sometimes, trials have very little to do with money. Sometimes it's about vengeance, retribution, punishment.

Or dissuasion.

Or exposure.

Some trials are intended to modify behavior or policy, the money serving merely as an incentive to conform.

Settlements are usually a compromise rather than a victory. The adage about a good compromise leaving neither party %100 happy probably obtains in settlements. Whereas, in trials, one side can be victorious and overjoyed, leaving the other crushed and defeated.

If one's intent is to dissuade or expose, then accepting money to end the case and zip one's lip could not be viewed as a success.

Debbie Cook could have done a lot more damage exposing he who shall not be named if she had not settled. At least, theoretically.

Buying silence certainly has been beneficial to the Cof$. Settlements versus trials. Their bank accounts seem to be flush--even with declining membership.

So, settlements versus trials can lead to dramatically different social outcomes. Knowledge which might benefit a broad spectrum of society can be squelched more easily in settlements. Deserved punishment can be avoided. Broad retribution can be lost.


Everything you said....agreed!

But. . . I'd venture to say that 98% of the parties that end up suing Scientology are in it for the money. This is not to say that they don't also enjoy exacting as much revenge, damage and perceived justice vs. the cult as possible while en route to whatever financial victory they can carve out.

The proof of this seems undeniable, especially since the moment that Scientology writes a check is the same exact moment that the litigation ends.
 
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Claire Swazey

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The true Indie dead-enders moved to Milestone Two.

If you want to see comments that are "getting more and more into agreement," yep, go to Milestone Two.

The only fortunate thing is Milestone Two is not large, but it does subsist.

I see it as just another path. I mean, I think a number of paths (maybe all?) are quite limited but, hey, finding and hearing the divine spirit is not easy. If it makes them feel better and provides some insights occasionally, then yay. And if they don't want to do it anymore, then, that's fine too.
 

Free Being Me

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I see it as just another path. I mean, I think a number of paths (maybe all?) are quite limited but, hey, finding and hearing the divine spirit is not easy. If it makes them feel better and provides some insights occasionally, then yay. And if they don't want to do it anymore, then, that's fine too.

I don't see much of a spiritual path to the divine when this $cio group actively tries to Fair Game and Dead Agent Chris Shelton, not to mention label the Ex's here as NCG SP's. Typical $cientologists being $cientologists. The MillStoners are of little importance however they are a fine example of how Elcon's indoctrination cognitively distorts a human being into an oblivious cultist fanatic.
 

Xenu's Boyfriend

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Can someone give me a tl;dr version in 25 words or less?
His sentences can be rather obtuse and overly wordy.


Don't worry. I speak Rathbunese.

1)

Those who obsess on the motivator (object of victimhood attachment) about how David Miscavige is scientology’s problem because he keeps revising scientology are like dogs barking up the wrong tree. There is a plain fact they are not coming to grips with. Scientology will forever be altered, revised, re-revised, repackaged, re-organized, and re-compiled. People on the outside have been at it as hard as scientology organization folk are on the inside. It is inevitable. That is not because misunderstood words, the reactive mind or body thetans will forever keep people confused and incapable of applying one-hundred percent scientology standard technology. Nor will it be because of the unstated (except in confidential upper level secrets), but actually held, scientology belief that humankind can’t get it because humankind is inherently incapable of understanding. Instead, scientology will continuously be revised because there is no such thing as standard scientology technology. Like the substance of scientology itself, what constitutes the standard is wholly a subjective matter.

What Marty is saying here is that in Scientology, to quote Gertrude Stein, "There is no there, there". People who criticize David Miscavige for altering the tech and thus that he is Scientology's biggest problem, don't realize that there is no standard Scientology tech to begin with. Part of the con game is that one is always looking for the "real Scientology". This is why David Miscavige can come up with the "Golden Age of Tech" or "Arbitraries are cancelled for OT VII" or why in the Congresses (tapes) LRH keeps saying year after year, "We have finally 'perfected' clear - we thought we had it before, but now we REALLY have it." In other words, Scientology is a con.



2)

That fact is obvious if one can unlock himself from identifying with L. Ron Hubbard and his work and read the latter dispassionately. That of course is impossible for those who vow from the outset of their studies – and stick with it all the way through – to the notion that Hubbard is infallible and examination of any comparative data is potentially lethal.When one who can objectively study scientology does so – particularly when he has tested its methods through extensive practice – something becomes patently clear. That is by conservative estimate more than ninety (90) percent of everything Hubbard wrote and uttered on scientology and dianetics was about how wrong all those who attempted to apply it were. It is mostly a running stream of consciousness (albeit held together by a hard core, two-valued logic and persuasively conveyed by a convincing speaker and writer) record of assigning reasons why the promises in the book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health were never realized and how they might yet be. Highlighting that statement is Dianetics’ promise of full memory restoration in 1950 and Hubbard’s last ‘breakthrough’ (OT VIII) – as his 1986 dying declaration – promising to address the reason folk are apparently inherently amnesiacs.

Exacerbating the confusion is that many of the methods Ron educates his followers on as the mechanics intentionally used to control and damage the mind are simultaneously employed by him to do precisely that to his followers. It is diabolical in that the follower having been educated by Ron on those mental entrapment techniques would then never guess they would be used on the follower. You wind up with the curious phenomenon of apparently sincere people devoting their lives to vehemently defending their own entrapment.


There is a profound insight buried here. Basically Marty is saying that most of what is written about Scientology by LRH is a critique of how Scientology is misapplied. LRH uses his ability as as a communicator to persuade the reader that Scientology will help them to recall past lives, use more of their brain, etc, but in the end most of his work is just random thoughts held together by a manipulative, but skillful writer.

One cannot see this, however, if one believes that everything LRH wrote is gospel. No matter what one thinks about LRH's work, he does seems to have a grasp on mind control and brain washing techniques which he has used on his followers. The die-hard Scientologist (100 percenter) is unable or refuses to realize that the same technology they are defending has been created for the sole reason to keep them entrapped.


3.)

There is another reason why the obvious is nearly impossible for a scientologist to see. If there is one skill Hubbard had that perhaps outstripped all others it was his ability to always convincingly sound right while making others wrong.
That skill was exercised as consistently and as uncannily as a falling cat’s ability to land on its feet. From before the publication of Dianetics, Ron Hubbard proved as immovable as a mountain on being criticized, corrected, or accepting even the most rational of input and advice. Just as consistently, he rained hell on anyone with the temerity to suggest holding his theories up to objective standards. When he said or wrote something it was communicated convincingly and in an authoritative fashion. For the next thirty-six years he evolved his subjects by trial and error. But, the running track of that development was memorialized in a unique voice. While the track altered and changed everything over and over because of unworkability found with that which was at first communicated as unalterable, absolute fact, the voice of those continuous alterations could admit of no error. The matter is exacerbated by the fact that it is a ‘research and development’ record based exclusively on subjective standards. With no objective scrutiny allowed and no accurate, honest assignation of error possible, all manner of erroneous yet authoritative data are driven home just as forcefully as correct ones.

This is pretty much reiterating what Marty said above. He is commenting on LRH's style and the fact that his absolutism helped put Scientology over on people. He is saying again that there is no real "data' on which Scientology is based, it is just one man's subjective opinion put forth with great confidence that helps perpetuate the con game.


4.)

The continuous backfilling that constitutes the bulk of scientology writing and lecturing is apparent in scientology training packs. The student is not instructed simply on what he should do and why. Instead, he reads bulletin after bulletin and listens to lecture after lecture of Hubbard talking about how people have misapplied or might misapply what he discovered. The materials are a patchwork of Hubbard writings and lectures cherry-picked from different periods of time. They make for a mix chock-full of contradictions. Without having one’s intellectual honesty compromised by agreeing from the outset that Hubbard is infallible and all of his words are literal Gospel (that which is required in scientology training – along with the requirement to attribute every success to Ron and every failure to pesky humans and their inherent fallibility), all of this would be as obvious as the nose on your face.

Since all scientology courses begin with a warning that if anyone states that anything Hubbard wrote is ‘historical’, ‘background’, or ‘no longer used’ he will be promptly convicted of the crime TREASON, how does one cope with the miasma of contradictions? Scientology instructors employ a ‘technology’ that has the student convince himself there are no contradictions. It is so effective that scientology students do not graduate a course until they attest with certitude that everything makes consistent, perfect sense. The firmness of that idea of certainty is verified by one component of a modern lie detector (the stress testing electropsychometer). Highlighting this culture of hypocrisy, the cognitive dissonance creating course rooms – which eliminate any questioning, thinking or doubts – are called ‘Academies’ taken from the ancient Greek sites where liberal, critical philosophical thinking was once nurtured.

LRH made it clear in the tech that he should not be challenged on any level, destroying the need in Scientology, of any true, critical thought. One cannot advance from one level to the next in Scientology until they have brainwashed themselves into believing there are no contradictions in LRH's work.


5.)

The net result of all this is that scientology is destined to always incite debate and internecine strife – no matter how enlightened and wise its leadership may be. There can never be universal consensus on what constitutes ‘standard technology’ given the voice (noted above) scientology is written in and given its inalterable injunctions that that voice may not ever be questioned, interpreted, or clarified. In a strict organizational setting, the debate goes on inside each individual’s head (until settled by an instilled, arrogant brand of cognitive dissonance) while attempting to keep up, lock-step of course, with management’s latest pronunciamentos on what constitutes ‘standard.’ In an independent setting it is a self-righteous war of words in which nobody can establish a clearly reasoned high ground. To gain any traction in the debate requires one to progressively retreat further toward adopting Ron’s certain, swaggering and authoritative personality.

In other words, it doesn't matter who is running Scientology, the pathology of Scientology runs itself because inherent in it is LRH's voice of absolutism (see above.) Despite one's doubts, to even question the tech or its leader is a treasonous act. Marty is saying that you can't win or engage in an argument with an active Scientology without becoming as strident as they are, which only continues Scientology's black and white thinking and makes you fall into their trap (see John Sweeney and Tommy Davis fight). Absolutism is institutionalized within the organization, and one's relationship to Scientology is based on how one embraces that fact. The justification for Scientology can only be found in Scientology. It is this search which becomes compulsive.



6.)

That is why bands of scientologists, whether in or out of the official organizations, will always rally around certain, swaggering, authoritative types of personalities – and promptly disperse when that catalyst is removed. Sadly, but just as certainly, about the closest thing scientologists are going to find to that original L. Ron Hubbard package is David Miscavige.

About the only common denominator all brands of scientology share as something resembling a standard in practice is this: does the guy stay on board and continue paying? If you have been led to believe that any viable brand of scientology is applying some more enlightened standard you have simply been led to believe yet another lie. Why do you think that the only allegedly ‘expanding’ independent scientology outfits feature the addition of 47 advanced levels of auditing? It is like Miscavige inventing the existence of OT Levels IX through XV and beyond, only seven times over. What you get is power of choice in picking the duration of your addiction.

Those who make a living by trying to convince folks otherwise are profiting by playing on misplaced hopes. It is a different harmonic of the same game that was played on people within.

Marty is saying here, when all is said and done, the only thing that really is consistent throughout the various aspects of Scientology is its ability to keep someone on the hamster wheel, running in place, constantly paying for services.

While Marty's style sometimes obfuscates his meaning (ironically, much like LRH), he uses powerful words here, perhaps for the first time - ADDICTION, and LIE. Marty makes two critical points. One is that any brand of Scientology is basically corrupt and - here he is going after both Independent Scientologists as well as those who are still inside - those who continue to make money from Scientology IN ANY FORM are perpetrating a hoax. He suggests that while they may be slight degrees of difference in practice, ultimately the deception and the predatory behavior are the same. This is a HUGE acknowledgement for Marty, a real turning point.



7.)

There is a silver lining in all this. In addition to whatever any individual may feel he might have picked up of use along the way in scientology, there are a couple of assets that probably all scientologists can recognize they possess. First, they can realize that they were well meaning and trusting to begin with; scientology doesn’t take very well on people without those virtues. Second, they can recognize that they have had the opportunity to hone the latter virtue (trust) by surviving the most intense graduate school of psychological hard knocks.

Ending on an upbeat note, he acknowledges the goodness of the people who are often attracted to Scientology and basically recalls the adage, "whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger." I think this is a little of Marty's sugar helping the medicine go down, given the last paragraph is so explosive for anyone who still believes on any level. The last paragraph is a Marty's way of acknowledging that while many ex-Scientologists have scared by their Scientology experience, being an ex-Scientologist may make you stronger, more trusting, more compassionate, having survived. .
 
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WildKat

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I think Marty's post was done as a blatant message.

Imagine someone on the inside - Miscavige himself maybe? - actually communicating directly with Marty and appealing to his "loyalty" to the tech or to LRH, and pleading can he please back off because, while there may be issues in the church, what Marty is doing makes it look like he is trying to DESTROY the church, and does he REALLY want to do that?

So this is Marty's Final Answer: LRH was rotten, the tech is rotten, Miscavige is rotten, and FUCK all y'all!
 

WildKat

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Wow! His blog today has 681 comments in only 3 days! He hasn't had that many comments on one post since .... since his one-time True Blue Believers all bailed out months ago! (Now I guess he's left with the haters and natterers like us - LOL)

http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/08/17/standard-scientology-2/#comments

(edit: Of course the 681 comments are from the same dozen people it seems. Wow, what a circle jerk going on over there!)
 
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Gib

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Yes! :confused2:



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I think Marty's post is spot on. And he actually summarizes what most people here are saying.

Just different words. :confused2:
 

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I think Marty's post is spot on. And he actually summarizes what most people here are saying.

Just different words. :confused2:


Marty is making good progress of late.

When he completes that routing form, he'll be able to say things far more simply like:

Scientology is really stupid.

Scientologists are really stupid.

Shit, I (Marty) was sooooo stupid.​
 

guanoloco

As-Wased
Marty is making good progress of late.

When he completes that routing form, he'll be able to say things far more simply like:

Scientology is really stupid.

Scientologists are really stupid.

Shit, I (Marty) was sooooo stupid.​

Those first two I'll wager you got verbatim but I'm thinking he should probably throw a couple dozen more "o's" in that third one after he re-reads that Odeous to Ron.












PS I utilized poetic license in misspelling odious, TY.
 

Gib

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Those first two I'll wager you got verbatim but I'm thinking he should probably throw a couple dozen more "o's" in that third one after he re-reads that Odeous to Ron.












PS I utilized poetic license in misspelling odious, TY.


:hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::hysterical::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:
 

Lone Star

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I see it as just another path. I mean, I think a number of paths (maybe all?) are quite limited but, hey, finding and hearing the divine spirit is not easy. If it makes them feel better and provides some insights occasionally, then yay. And if they don't want to do it anymore, then, that's fine too.

Let's see.....that's spelled A-P-O-L-O-G.......

:biggrin:
 

Claire Swazey

Spokeshole, fence sitter
I don't see much of a spiritual path to the divine when this $cio group actively tries to Fair Game and Dead Agent Chris Shelton, not to mention label the Ex's here as NCG SP's. Typical $cientologists being $cientologists. The MillStoners are of little importance however they are a fine example of how Elcon's indoctrination cognitively distorts a human being into an oblivious cultist fanatic.

I don't have any problem with someone believing in space opera or Jeeebus or whatnot. I really don't. But I do have a king size problem with going after people. I have seen some Freezoners do it. When a certain FZer's wife's predatory actions were discussed on a certain yahoo group list, some of the people there just went apeshit and their ire was not directed toward the FZer or his wife. They tried to excuse it and say that the actions were deserved.

I am very sorry that I am not familiar with the events you've described. I am not questioning you- I would just like to know if you have a link or something I could read. Because what you describe is something that is very wrong.

Thank you.
 
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