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I really don't care what you think about that. I just think you're too into labels.
We all post according to our hearts and in candor. Would you rather be lied to?
I want you to always post in candor. Absolutely.
I really don't care what you think about that. I just think you're too into labels.
We all post according to our hearts and in candor. Would you rather be lied to?
I don't have any problem with someone believing in space opera or Jeeebus or whatnot. I really don't. But I do have a king size problem with going after people. I have seen some Freezoners do it. When a certain FZer's wife's predatory actions were discussed on a certain yahoo group list, some of the people there just went apeshit and their ire was not directed toward the FZer or his wife. They tried to excuse it and say that the actions were deserved.
I am very sorry that I am not familiar with the events you've described. I am not questioning you- I would just like to know if you have a link or something I could read. Because what you describe is something that is very wrong.
Thank you.
I think Marty's post is spot on. And he actually summarizes what most people here are saying.
Just different words. :confused2:
Wow! His blog today has 681 comments in only 3 days! He hasn't had that many comments on one post since .... since his one-time True Blue Believers all bailed out months ago! (Now I guess he's left with the haters and natterers like us - LOL)
http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/2014/08/17/standard-scientology-2/#comments
(edit: Of course the 681 comments are from the same dozen people it seems. Wow, what a circle jerk going on over there!)
I don't mean to put Marty down, but for some reason he has cultivated a writing style that seems deliberately confusing in an attempt to sound philosophical and profound.
I agree with you about the content of Marty's post. The interesting thing is he doesn't speak Rathbunese in interviews and normal conversation, where I find him absolutely clear. But I consider myself a reasonably intelligent person, and I have had more than average WTF moments after reading his posts.
I'm glad Marty is speaking out, however he says it, but I think his writing can be a cautionary tale to anyone wanting to send their children to Scientology schools. In my opinion, he sounds like someone who's simply read too much Hubbard. Dianetics, when I've tried to read that has the same impenetrable, circumlocutory style.
. . .
Ron complained somewhere on the study tapes that colleges didn't make
philosophers who can philosophize.
Well, application of his tech for thirty years made one who can: Marty!
Albeit he's a bit obtuse for the average person to "grok." :confused2:
Lacks the common touch.
"I have found efforts over the past year and one half to help people graduate from the subject to not be very popular nor worth the effort that goes into doing so. While some of what I have already worked on along that line may appear from time to time on this blog, the focus will veer more toward speaking to the general public – as opposed to the formers, the antis, and indies. The blog continues to serve as a chronicle of my own journey guided by my conscience – for whatever that is worth – and you can expect it to tend toward speaking to the increasing percentage of audience who are unfamiliar with the subject. It may well even tend toward unrelated subjects. There are plenty other forums where positive reinforcement of existing anti, pro, indie, and ex scientology views can be had. I hope for all of you that at some point in the not too distant future you will find your own comfortable, fulfilling middle path."
I don't mean to put Marty down, but for some reason he has cultivated a writing style that seems deliberately confusing in an attempt to sound philosophical and profound.
I agree with you about the content of Marty's post. The interesting thing is he doesn't speak Rathbunese in interviews and normal conversation, where I find him absolutely clear. But I consider myself a reasonably intelligent person, and I have had more than average WTF moments after reading his posts.
I'm glad Marty is speaking out, however he says it, but I think his writing can be a cautionary tale to anyone wanting to send their children to Scientology schools. In my opinion, he sounds like someone who's simply read too much Hubbard. Dianetics, when I've tried to read that has the same impenetrable, circumlocutory style.
I don't have any problem with someone believing in space opera or Jeeebus or whatnot. I really don't. But I do have a king size problem with going after people. I have seen some Freezoners do it. When a certain FZer's wife's predatory actions were discussed on a certain yahoo group list, some of the people there just went apeshit and their ire was not directed toward the FZer or his wife. They tried to excuse it and say that the actions were deserved.
I am very sorry that I am not familiar with the events you've described. I am not questioning you- I would just like to know if you have a link or something I could read. Because what you describe is something that is very wrong.
Thank you.
I don't mean to put Marty down, but for some reason he has cultivated a writing style that seems deliberately confusing in an attempt to sound philosophical and profound.
I agree with you about the content of Marty's post. The interesting thing is he doesn't speak Rathbunese in interviews and normal conversation, where I find him absolutely clear. But I consider myself a reasonably intelligent person, and I have had more than average WTF moments after reading his posts.
I'm glad Marty is speaking out, however he says it, but I think his writing can be a cautionary tale to anyone wanting to send their children to Scientology schools. In my opinion, he sounds like someone who's simply read too much Hubbard. Dianetics, when I've tried to read that has the same impenetrable, circumlocutory style.
I don't mean to put Marty down, but for some reason he has cultivated a writing style that seems deliberately confusing in an attempt to sound philosophical and profound.
I agree with you about the content of Marty's post. The interesting thing is he doesn't speak Rathbunese in interviews and normal conversation, where I find him absolutely clear. But I consider myself a reasonably intelligent person, and I have had more than average WTF moments after reading his posts.
I'm glad Marty is speaking out, however he says it, but I think his writing can be a cautionary tale to anyone wanting to send their children to Scientology schools. In my opinion, he sounds like someone who's simply read too much Hubbard. Dianetics, when I've tried to read that has the same impenetrable, circumlocutory style.
Just to be clear, let's use another example for a moment. How did the largest MAFIA collapse in history occur? It was caused by the same phenomenon--a high ranking mafia member learning of "senior management's" (i.e. John Gotti) trashing them and plotting their demise. In Gotti's case, the FBI had obtained hundreds of hours of surveillance audio which they were not shy about playing for Mafia thug #2, Sammy "The Bull" Gravano who was the underboss to Gotti and his closest friend. When Sammy heard (and realized) that he was no exception to the list of people the boss despised and likely would soon whack out, he did the unforgivable, turning states witness. And he literally knew where all the bodies were buried, having carried out a couple dozen murders himself at the behest of the mob's or his own money-centric crime rackets.
If Travolta or Cruise heard or saw videotape of Miscavige reading their pc folder aloud, laughing and "degrading" them to other Sea Org members, they might pack up and head over the psychologically inward facing barbs surrounding Scientology celebs. I cannot believe the reason they stay is other than the abject terror they contemplate when considering what kind of damage Miscavige can do to their careers, reputations and life if he leaks their session withholds. I honestly think it's that simple and their cognitive dissonance kicks into a hyper-gear to prevent even thinking about that.
. . .Over a 1,000 comments about the article.
Is that a "highest ever" for him?
He did suggest in a prior post that his audience was going to be journalists and outside publications, so possibly excerpts can be quoted without all the 'lingo', perhaps the explanations in his posts are deliberate. His approach is definitely changing now that he's made the transition from indie leader to full blown critic.
Initially I thought the post was rather patronising, but 900 comments later was evidence of his observation that: You wind up with the curious phenomenon of apparently sincere people devoting their lives to vehemently defending their own entrapment.
I remember one poster talking about how we should just trust Ron and not question motives because Ron cared and loved us sooooo much and him being all theta and all that and Marty actually said something to the affect that a person should question. I wish I could find that post now as it really illustrates the cognitive dissonance that seems to be the latest buzz word as well as showing the first cracks in Marty's PR.
XB,Don't worry. I speak Rathbunese.