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Marty: A Talk To OSA Staff (video)

MissWog

Silver Meritorious Patron
I don't often read Marty's blog, but I just had a quick look and saw this:

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"Spoken like an Inspector General. Well done.

You are truly on post and wearing your hat. Anyone who is trying to stop you in this role is an SP.

You have my admiration."

Some people really like being in a Cult.

RIGHT!!!??? I can barely stand it over there.. I got a major confirmation that they are his leader and he loves the role when he posted this video on September 28th to his blog. Seriously, they have some major hero worship going on over there. :bowdown: So much that a few online friends take turns reading it and just make each other aware if/when something is good enough to go over and get sticky sweet marshmallow mind melt with all the Marty praise bombing. :puke:

[video=youtube;Yt1vQ81jNWw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Yt1vQ81jNWw[/video]
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
RIGHT!!!??? I can barely stand it over there.. I got a major confirmation that they are his leader and he loves the role when he posted this video on September 28th to his blog. Seriously, they have some major hero worship going on over there. :bowdown: So much that a few online friends take turns reading it and just make each other aware if/when something is good enough to go over and get sticky sweet marshmallow mind melt with all the Marty praise bombing. :puke:

[video=youtube;Yt1vQ81jNWw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Yt1vQ81jNWw[/video]

That's a fabulous film :)
 

Goodbye

Patron with Honors
Pretty soon Marty will denounce the Freezoners and Rons Orgers as Squirrels and there will much crying and gnashing of teeth. He will have to do so to show how pure his Tek is.
If you build a somewhat different car without Henry's approval it's not a Ford. Could have called it Robertsonology partially based on the works of L. Ron Hubbard or something like that.

Neither HCOPL 9 Feb 79 II How To Defeat Verbal Tech Checklist nor HCOPL 16 Apr 65 I The Hidden Data Line call for the psychic channeling of tech from spaceships to one particular individual, hence the tech purity issues.

Although the term FREEZONE was incepted by Robertson, it's come to come mean a broader definition. Have a boo here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Zone_%28Scientology%29

No shortage of what could be considered squirrels within the Indie movement either. Semantics only.
 

MissWog

Silver Meritorious Patron
That's a fabulous film :)
Oh I agree and I love it also.. it just felt like it was Viva Marty in the comments section that day. All of the Indies singing to shut up the Nazi Co$.. Marty was playing Bogart.. at least that was my take away that day to that blog post
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
If you build a somewhat different car without Henry's approval it's not a Ford. Could have called it Robertsonology partially based on the works of L. Ron Hubbard or something like that.

Neither HCOPL 9 Feb 79 II How To Defeat Verbal Tech Checklist nor HCOPL 16 Apr 65 I The Hidden Data Line call for the psychic channeling of tech from spaceships to one particular individual, hence the tech purity issues.

Although the term FREEZONE was incepted by Robertson, it's come to come mean a broader definition. Have a boo here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Zone_(Scientology)

No shortage of what could be considered squirrels within the Indie movement either. Semantics only.

Thanks for the link. You might find this one of interest.
 

NoName

A Girl Has No Name
I have not seen a pronouncement from the FBI one way or the other - do you have a link?

I'm referring to a comment by Mike Rinder on Marty's blog recently. I looked pretty hard for it but managed to not find it after a considerable amount of time. Basically, Mike was saying that he and the Indies had given up a ton of evidence that the Hole exists, but the FBI can't act on that information unless they have probable cause to believe that someone is being held against their will right at the moment.

This is similar to the polygamist raids in Texas. The rumors about underage marriages and underage sex were not actionable until they had probable cause to believe that someone wanted out right at the moment they raided. Granted, that was based on a prank, but at least they were acting in good faith when they raided the place.

Edit - you said one way or the other - here is the link to Tony's blog where the FBI agent played possum:

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/03/scientology_fbi_investigation_over.php

And here is the link for the New Yorker article where the FBI strongly suggested that they had people infiltrating the cult and working undercover:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/02/14/110214fa_fact_wright

So combining these two articles and a hunch, I tend not to believe that any investigation was ever really completely over.

The FBI had the very best of reasons and justifications to conduct a raid - they had arrested someone in the act of stealing of government documents. They had a provable criminal act done by someone who was prepared to give information about his superiors in order to avoid serious jail time.

They had probable cause.

My comment above was strictly about The Hole and raiding Int Base over concerns that people are being held against their will. I wasn't trying to rehash what happened in the 70's, which I agree was based on a completely legal raid where they had probable cause.

Methinks you are reading into the smoke that marty is blowing, patterns which do not necessarily exist. "feeding them something about the felonies" - what 'felonies'? Feeding them something?? You do realize that Marty knows very little about law enforcement and legal matters - right? His ONLY experience has been studying Hubbards tripe and working in RTC. Seriously - he is way out of his league in dealing with the FBI - those people have real degrees, real training and real experience.

First off, when it comes to Marty, I won't believe it til I see it. Kinda like Donald Trump and Gloria Allred both made the collective U.S. electorate yawn last week.

That said, I tend to agree that Marty probably doesn't know what he is doing, but he's got a former OSA enforcer to advise him (Mike Rinder). I would give Mike a bit more credit than that.

Also, just based on the way that they managed to win over Ray Jeffrey (have you read the PI suit filings about "Miscavige the usurper"?), I think that they are becoming more coordinated and thoughtful in their attacks. That doesn't mean that I am convinced that they have turned over anything worthwhile or actionable to the FBI.

Whether I believe that they know things that are worthwhile and actionable are another story. Especially that former OSA enforcer. It so happens that I think that they are so concerned with not besmirching the good name of Saint ElRon that they are holding back. I don't even think that they would necessarily hold back out of self-protection at this point - there are ways to spin your own deeds. I just think that they are want to save Saint ElRon's [STRIKE]Dreck[/STRIKE] Tech and have something to take over when the dwarf finally does a perp walk or drinks himself to death.
 

Boomima

Patron with Honors
Thanks a lot. That filled in the blanks.

His comments on Mayo alone are reason enough to disregard anything that Marty says. Mayo never tried to start a cult of personality with himself at the center. He's got more integrity (and a firmer grasp on reality) than Marty can ever imagine.

I would bet that Marty and Mike know nothing about what the FBI is going to do or not do. Someday, the press will not run to Marty for an opinion about Scientology. I think the lack of attention might be more than Marty can bear.
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
His comments on Mayo alone are reason enough to disregard anything that Marty says. Mayo never tried to start a cult of personality with himself at the center. He's got more integrity (and a firmer grasp on reality) than Marty can ever imagine.

I think so too.

I would bet that Marty and Mike know nothing about what the FBI is going to do or not do. Someday, the press will not run to Marty for an opinion about Scientology. I think the lack of attention might be more than Marty can bear.

I'm sure you're right.
 

Krautfag

Patron Meritorious
Well, this just now was seven minutes of my life I never gonna get back.

Marty needs to use make-up when he uses lighting for his vids, he looks pale and sick if he doesn't. Funny, that is the only interesting thing I can remember from those seven minutes.
 

lotus

stubborn rebel sheep!

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Mick Wenlock

Admin Emeritus (retired)
Given that regardless of what he witnessed, Marty did not leave until life inside became hard for him, I would not take anything he says seriously. He can't even say "I was wrong. I did terrible things. I am sorry" without flipping the responsibility away from both LRH and himself.

It's ridiculous, watching him insert himself into every damn story about Scientology.

exactly right. Marty was not for any sort of "reform" until HE lost.
 

Andtheyalllived

Patron with Honors
Some background information here.

This is my first post, and it's just to stand in public awe and gratitude. Lurked for months on every forum, trying to get educated... For awhile thought some people were (like You) kinda cynical. Now that I know the bullshit you witness and respond to repeatedly, I will kindly STFU and let the soldier do her work. You're one step ahead of a lot of us. May I polish your gun? Thanks for the link and everything else.
 

Ogsonofgroo

Crusader
Well, this just now was seven minutes of my life I never gonna get back.

Marty needs to use make-up when he uses lighting for his vids, he looks pale and sick if he doesn't. Funny, that is the only interesting thing I can remember from those seven minutes.

You too eh, I have a helluva time watching his stuff because I keep thinking about Bill Murry the vet ranting to himself while making c-4 squirrels (gophers whatever) in that scene from Caddy Shack, and once I start laughtering that's it, am done :p
 

Smilla

Ordinary Human
This is my first post, and it's just to stand in public awe and gratitude. Lurked for months on every forum, trying to get educated... For awhile thought some people were (like You) kinda cynical. Now that I know the bullshit you witness and respond to repeatedly, I will kindly STFU and let the soldier do her work. You're one step ahead of a lot of us. May I polish your gun? Thanks for the link and everything else.

Welcome to the forum :)
 
... I remember my knees banging together out of fear when he screamed his head off at me along with about 5/6 other int execs, all against one 17 year old girl. So macho! ...

I'm genuinely sorry you (or anyone else) ever had to experience such a thing. :rose:

No question about it. Rathbun is an @$$hole. Nor is he by any means unique among scientology management in possessing that character trait.


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