Marty begins to crack....revealing the "True OT VIII"

[VaD]

I used to believe I was a spiritual being, now I KNOW I am a body.

Do you like the fact?
I grew up with this idea (of being just a body).
Doesn't make any difference if i lived or didn't.
If your body life makes you happy, it's how you should go about it. That's your game (this time around).

 

[Zinjifar]

You don't have to accept Scientology to accept spirituality. Spirituality existed long before Ron dumped his load and will be around long after. Most of the people in the world see themselves as 'more than a meat body' and they've never even *heard* of Ron or Scientology.

Ron lied. Failure to accept his worldview is *not* to reject spirituality or to embrace 'materialism'. In fact, as 'spiritualities' go, Scientology is about the most MESTY and obsessed with meat bodies and money I can think of.

Worst of all, Scientology is positively obsessed with 'control'. Yee gods.

Oh, and fuck Marty too.

Zinj

 

[Smilla]

Guys and Gals!
I see that those who post try to make fun out of their own past. Or discredit it. Or warn others with it.
Some just go past.
No-one (that I see) talks about future.
Did you, having said, big and long "Fuck You!" to $cientology decided that you will never be anything else than your body?
Share it, then!

I can tell you that up until 19 I believed that I was just a body. THEN I started to doubt. Now I have PROOF that I'm not.

It's good to feel a "victim". It doesn't do any good for the future. YOUR future.

P.S. Scientology (good or bad) showed you direction. Destination has always been there ($cientology or not).

P.P.S. If you become what $cientology had promised you - without it's
claims - won't you be happy little fella?

I never thought I was a body, and I'm not what Scientology says I am. Scientology makes the simple and natural appear complicated. Enjoy being yourself and love life. Revel in the now and the future will be beautiful.

 

[VaD]

You don't have to accept Scientology to accept spirituality. Spirituality existed long before Ron dumped his load and will be around long after. Most of the people in the world see themselves as 'more than a meat body' and they've never even *heard* of Ron or Scientology.

Ron lied. Failure to accept his worldview is *not* to reject spirituality or to embrace 'materialism'. In fact, as 'spiritualities' go, Scientology is about the most MESTY and obsessed with meat bodies and money I can think of.

Worst of all, Scientology is positively obsessed with 'control'. Yee gods.

Oh, and fuck Marty too.

Zinj

Yeah, Zinj!
That's what I'm saying!
Thanks for your broad mind's participation! Appreciate it truly.

There is also a good point in your post - that we shouldn't go into total "nihilism" but instead make our own spiritual paths. Everyone makes his own.
That would be more positive, wouldn't it?

 

[Lurker5]

Religious beliefs

Religion and religious beliefs are a private matter. Many people do not need reassurance and validation from another or outside source - about themselves and what they chose to believe in. Personally I don't talk about it. That kind of invalidates it for me. Sorry, not going there (in polite society).

 

[Smilla]

Religion and religious beliefs are a private matter. Many people do not need reassurance and validation from another or outside source - about themselves and what they chose to believe in. Personally I don't talk about it. That kind of invalidates it for me. Sorry, not going there (in polite society).

Thanks for a great post! I have my own beliefs, which I feel no need to broadcast either. What I believe works for me. I don't talk about it unless there is a very good reason, and even then I might not Life is good

 

[nozeno]

Despite what you have read, I don't talk about it either.

I may fluck around from time to time, but I don't talk about it.

 

[Zinjifar]

Despite what you have read, I don't talk about it either.

I may fluck around from time to time, but I don't talk about it.

We talk about it behind your back

Zinj

 

[VaD]

Religion and religious beliefs are a private matter. Many people do not need reassurance and validation from another or outside source - about themselves and what they chose to believe in. Personally I don't talk about it. That kind of invalidates it for me. Sorry, not going there (in polite society).

Hi, Lurker5!
Are your religious matters have to be spiritually confirmed?
Mine aren't.

To tell you the truth, I spit on any religion. (To me, ALL religions are for fools).
And THAT doesn't make me any less spiritual...or less of a "human spirit".
Or does it?

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I don't consider merited or valid criticism as a cheap shot.

Absolutely, Panda. What's needed is for more people to understand the difference between the two and focus their efforts on points of valid criticism.


Mark A. Baker

 

[VaD]

Past or Future

Ok!
We've spoken enough about our past. Haven't we?

Isn't there a switch (somewhere) to turn to speak about the future?

We all know that Scientology is not the answer.

Scientology hasn't made from us (spiritual beings) just the bodies... Or has it?

 

[Smilla]

Ok!
We've spoken enough about our past. Haven't we?

Isn't there a switch (somewhere) to turn to speak about the future?

We all know that Scientology is not the answer.

Scientology hasn't made from us (spiritual beings) just the bodies... Or has it?

I don't have any interest in the future. Is it something you think about a lot?

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I agree, but then I don't see *these* people as "out" though. Until they hit that first stage of "wtf?", then they are still in full agreement with and/or sucked in by something dangerous and harmful (and I'm not referring to the "tech" here), and not "out" at all. To some degree, I also think, that if they are also promoting or helping to promote it outside of the CofS, then they are potentially doing more harm than if they just stayed in the church.

I think your point has a lot of truth to it. MR's Shack is something of a "Halfway House" for Dysfunctional Scientologists. It does provide a place for scientologists to start looking at outside information. Yes, it may to some degree damp their initial interest in looking further afield for information, but the process of coming to terms with involvement with the Co$ is at best a gradual one.

MR's Shack isn't someplace I'd recommend for booking a room even on a weekend getaway, but it serves as an alternative flop house for those who are in their hearts still allied with the church but who are beginning to "come up to present time" with regard to the truth.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Smilla]

I think your point has a lot of truth to it. MR's Shack is something of a "Halfway House" for Dysfunctional Scientologists. It does provide a place for scientologists to start looking at outside information. Yes, it may to some degree damp their initial interest in looking further afield for information, but the process of coming to terms with involvement with the Co$ is at best a gradual one.

MR's Shack isn't someplace I'd recommend for booking a room even on a weekend getaway, but it serves as an alternative flop house for those who are in their hearts still allied with the church but who are beginning to "come up to present time" with regard to the truth.


Mark A. Baker

Mark is wise

 

[Mark A. Baker]

The *only* people I know with incredible ethics records, aren't people like you or me, or anyone else around here from ANZO or here on ESMB - They wouldn't last a minute here, unless they did some serious looking into what they had been up to, and did a major change of tack in life. They are the epitome of everything that I didn't and don't like about Scn and/or Scientologists. And, whether in or out of Scientology, I wouldn't trust them as far as I could kick them.

Yeah, "Co$ Ethics Up-Stat" does constitute a pretty nasty self-indictment.


Mark A. Baker

 

[VaD]

I don't have any interest in the future. Is it something you think about a lot?

Yes, I do!
And the one thing I think about the future is that "How can I make the new post thread here, on this ESMB?". Can you help me? (I haven't figured it out and FAQ didn't help)

 

[Zinjifar]

Yes, I do!
And the one thing I think about the future is that "How can I make the new post thread here, on this ESMB?". Can you help me? (I haven't figured it out and FAQ didn't help)

Go up to the 'root' link above. Home, or ex Scientolgoist message board or even click on the banner at the top.

This gives you a list. Go down on the left side and choose a category under 'Scientology discussion topics'

Anything from 'general' to 'off topic'

Click on that.

Once you do, you will have a link to 'start new thread' or something like that.

Choose your thread subject, write it in, write the first post and submit.

Voila - new thread.

Zinj

 

[Mark A. Baker]

Is that an order you are giving me?

Keep in mind, ITYIWT, that Russia, although first an ally, was ultimately a major victim of Nazi Germany. He was also one villain whom the russian people were able to openly acknowledge their suffering. As with many jews, russians are often very sensitive to comparisons with Hitler being lightly bandied about in casual conversation.

Personally, I think comparisons with Hitler are overblown, but I understand them. Seventy years on there are still substantial groups of people for whom reference to Hitler or Nazis generally produce strong emotional reactions separate from the actual topic of discussion.


Mark A. Baker

 

[Smilla]

Originally Posted by Carmel
"I agree, but then I don't see *these* people as "out" though. Until they hit that first stage of "wtf?", then they are still in full agreement with and/or sucked in by something dangerous and harmful (and I'm not referring to the "tech" here), and not "out" at all. To some degree, I also think, that if they are also promoting or helping to promote it outside of the CofS, then they are potentially doing more harm than if they just stayed in the church."

What Marty is up to is a very simple stock trick of ideologically bankrupt politicians. It's paint the other guy as a bad guy, so you'll transfer your vote to me. Don't look at me - look at him. See how evil he is? It's a seesaw game. By piling all the crap on the other guy, his end of the seesaw sinks, and I rise up.I get your vote without even asking you for it - because the other guy is so bad. I must be a good guy because he is a bad guy. No, don't look at me - look at him. Isn't he horrible?

Yes, Miscavige is a bad human. I have no doubt about that.

 

[Mark A. Baker]

I used to believe I was a spiritual being, now I KNOW I am a body.

In your case I can understand that.


Mark A. Baker